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Old 03-08-2013, 10:11 AM   #826
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What was I surprised about?
I don't think you were surprised, I think you just wondered why I liked him so much since he would probably play Von's spot on a 4-3 front and that we already had VondoosKie
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:13 AM   #827
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Just in case you don't know, Traveler... this is a very good sign that you nailed your last pick, as Med is on a slightly higher plane then the rest of us "draftniks"....
Key word "Higher"
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:15 AM   #828
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I don't think you were surprised, I think you just wondered why I liked him so much since he would probably play Von's spot on a 4-3 front and that we already had VondoosKie
That makes sense! Was it you or DB4L who called him your favorite LB prospect? I don't like Collins in Tampa, I think he would flourish in a 3-4.
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Laugh if you will, but Med does know what he's doing here, more than the rest of us do. Take his pick of Jesse Williams, for example -- I'd bet my bottom dollar he goes much higher than Mel Kiper or Todd McShay project....
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That makes sense! Was it you or DB4L who called him your favorite LB prospect? I don't like Collins in Tampa, I think he would flourish in a 3-4.
Yep, like as a pass rusher to replace a done Dwight Freeey in INDY?

Mayock elevated him this week, to 2cd as his 3-4 OLB. I can't believe he was rated so low, then he rose before I could trade up to get him.

Damn you Grigson!

BTW, Traveler nice pick. I was just pissed, because I took a few days off and my guy was gone. Siiigghhh!
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:31 AM   #831
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Laugh if you will, but Med does know what he's doing here, more than the rest of us do. Take his pick of Jesse Williams, for example -- I'd bet my bottom dollar he goes much higher than Mel Kiper or Todd McShay project....
Thanks, but people are killing the talent portion of the draft this year. The value part, not so much. However, the talent is pervasive in the second and third and I have Nothing to show for it.

As for Williams, I could not trade back and he was my highest rated player on my board. Slight reach, but I pick by BPA there, not value. Value kicks in in the third round and Collins might be a early second rounder in April.

Not a good year to be a Colt!
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Yep, like as a pass rusher to replace a done Dwight Freeey in INDY?

Mayock elevated him this week, to 2cd as his 3-4 OLB. I can't believe he was rated so low, then he rose before I could trade up to get him.

Damn you Grigson!

BTW, Traveler nice pick. I was just pissed, because I took a few days off and my guy was gone. Siiigghhh!
Yes. Especially Indy.

Traveler may look better if a 3-4 team takes him as it will look like a great pick based on how we only review player name and production.

But sorry, as far as scheme fit, it's a terrible fit and he's being praised..
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That makes sense! Was it you or DB4L who called him your favorite LB prospect? I don't like Collins in Tampa, I think he would flourish in a 3-4.
This was from October, so technically 5 months.

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Who I do like: I like (NAME DELETED BECAUSE HE IS STILL AVAILABLE) a lot because of his experience. Great size too whether he plays inside or outside, but is battle tested at MIKE and has incredible football intelligence. Reminds me a bit of Mason Foster from a few years ago. Will go higher than Mason. I was hoping to snag both Foster (2011 draft) and David (2012 draft) but the Bucs got those guys. Future is bright for them.

If I could bring any LB prospect to this team not named T'eo -- it'd be Jamie Collins.
Schematically, 3-4 OLB as a pass rusher IS his best fit -- but he can still play ball. I'm glad Mediator didn't get him.
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Yes. Especially Indy.

Traveler may look better if a 3-4 team takes him as it will look like a great pick based on how we only review player name and production.

But sorry, as far as scheme fit, it's a terrible fit and he's being praised..
The Lions took Cliff Avril who was the third rated OLB on some draft sites in the 3rd round to play DE. He was 255 at the combine and is playing around 260 now. Don't be shocked if I do something similar.

Now why do you think Jamie Collins can't come in and replace Adam Hayward right away?
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I'm a big fan of you both individually, too
And I of you good sir. I especially enjoy reading your takes on the draft!
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And I of you good sir. I especially enjoy reading your takes on the draft!
Let's not get TOO carried away. Once upon a time I called RGIII a 3rd round pick.
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Let's not get TOO carried away. Once upon a time I called RGIII a 3rd round pick.
and Patrick Peterson over Von Miller.
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Your point?
Your obsessed with CB's and it clouds your judgement

Even though Sherman is clearly better and talks some wicked smack too We need a Dreads Smilie I think
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Even though Sherman is clearly better and talks some wicked smack too We need a Dreads Smilie I think
As of now, still would've been better for the team.

Said back then we were going to have nightmares covering up the middle in a perma 43 under/52 look. Meanwhile, not a single tight end has been covered since and we just lost a playoff game due to no pressure and poor one on one coverage.

Sooooooooooooooooooooo yeah.... Good slam...?

Also, we can call Sherman better when he matches up against the opposing #1 all game.
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Sherman talks smack cause that's the WR in him.
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As of now, still would've been better for the team.

Said back then we were going to have nightmares covering up the middle in a perma 43 under/52 look. Meanwhile, not a single tight end has been covered since and we just lost a playoff game due to no pressure and poor one on one coverage.

Sooooooooooooooooooooo yeah.... Good slam...?

Also, we can call Sherman better when he matches up against the opposing #1 all game.
Dude, totally kidding you

I think Miller makes more sense, but PP is no slouch either. And I think Sherman is overrated, but still a tremendous value. I wanted him badly, but someone got him right in front of me. Plus, he is very scheme dependent where as PP is more versatile.
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Dude, totally kidding you

I think Miller makes more sense, but PP is no slouch either. And I think Sherman is overrated, but still a tremendous value. I wanted him badly, but someone got him right in front of me. Plus, he is very scheme dependent where as PP is more versatile.
Sherman's obviously incredible.

...but there's also a reason Deion laughed in his face when he said he was the best in the game.

Miller will make more sense when we can get a MLB that cover the intermediate with Wesley. Until then, it's a race to the QB or we're ****ed... as we have been against good competition that can exploit that glaring weakness.
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The Lions took Cliff Avril who was the third rated OLB on some draft sites in the 3rd round to play DE. He was 255 at the combine and is playing around 260 now. Don't be shocked if I do something similar.

Now why do you think Jamie Collins can't come in and replace Adam Hayward right away?
My humble opinion, is that this particular player would struggle at RDE. He doesn't have an explosive first step, he doesn't have the pass rushing moves, and he doesn't have the strength to hold up at the point of attack. He would be much better suited in my opinion to attack coming off the edge where he is protected by a DE and able to read and react..

That doesn't apply for everyone obviously..
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Sherman is the second best corner in the NFL..I really like PP he's explosive, but Sherman is turning into a shut down corner..
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Sherman is the second best corner in the NFL..I really like PP he's explosive, but Sherman is turning into a shut down corner..
One good year does not a corner make.
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My humble opinion, is that this particular player would struggle at RDE. He doesn't have an explosive first step, he doesn't have the pass rushing moves, and he doesn't have the strength to hold up at the point of attack. He would be much better suited in my opinion to attack coming off the edge where he is protected by a DE and able to read and react..

That doesn't apply for everyone obviously..
Adam is the Bucs SLOB and Collins could replace him with ease.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...p-draft-boards
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Adam is the Bucs SLOB and Collins could replace him with ease.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...p-draft-boards
So Tampa is going to use our scheme?

I thought Heyward was a DE and Quincy Black the SLB...

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What? He was a pro bowler two years ago..
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