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Old 03-06-2013, 02:40 PM   #51
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You sure about that (i.e. they will spend the $12mil that would have gone to Doom)
I don't think for one second they are making the move just to save money. They are doing it either to sign big time guys i.e, Revis and Freeney. No way can they sign those guys or other guys to go with Freeney for less then what they save with Doom.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:41 PM   #52
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dont mind if he restructures and gets some guaranteed money. but not just to outright release a GREAT pass rusher for old man river Freeney. yuck

Freeney would be an 'ok' stop gap if we can get revis i guess
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:42 PM   #53
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Doom will be paid at least what he's due on his current contract. Restructure = paid right now and spread the cap hit out. If they really wanted to pay him less it goes like this: cut -> re-sign at a lower amount.
It wont mean that in this case. They're asking for a paycut.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:46 PM   #54
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I highly doubt the FO is entertaining the idea of outright releasing Doom

I do think this adds legitimacy of the Revis rumors though

Freeney talk is just posturing
Freeney is pretty much done, he cant replace Doom in really any capacity
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:58 PM   #55
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Vic Lombardi broke the story 5 hours ago.

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Elvis due to make $12m in '13, $10m in '14 and $9m in '15. Hence, they want him to restructure

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With Elvis due 31mill over the next three years, I can see Broncos asking him to restructure to similar money over 4-5 years. Pretty common

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And I can see Elvis being perfectly agreeable to that. He knew this was coming.

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And I'm told Elvis IS open to restructuring.
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:04 PM   #56
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I don't think for one second they are making the move just to save money. They are doing it either to sign big time guys i.e, Revis and Freeney. No way can they sign those guys or other guys to go with Freeney for less then what they save with Doom.
God I hope they don't consider Freeney 'big time'

We're all b****ing about 11 sacks last year and DF's only managed more than 11 (13.5) once in the last 7 years.

And that was 4 years ago. Ick.
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:17 PM   #57
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Vic Lombardi broke the story 5 hours ago.

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Elvis due to make $12m in '13, $10m in '14 and $9m in '15. Hence, they want him to restructure

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With Elvis due 31mill over the next three years, I can see Broncos asking him to restructure to similar money over 4-5 years. Pretty common

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And I can see Elvis being perfectly agreeable to that. He knew this was coming.

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And I'm told Elvis IS open to restructuring.
This is encouraging
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:31 PM   #58
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The team has ZERO leverage. If they cut him he'd make MORE on the open market, not less.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:05 PM   #59
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Vic Lombardi broke the story 5 hours ago.

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Elvis due to make $12m in '13, $10m in '14 and $9m in '15. Hence, they want him to restructure

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With Elvis due 31mill over the next three years, I can see Broncos asking him to restructure to similar money over 4-5 years. Pretty common

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And I can see Elvis being perfectly agreeable to that. He knew this was coming.

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And I'm told Elvis IS open to restructuring.
Case is pretty much close. I wouldn't mind getting my money as a signing bonus instead of waiting til the season. I would be open to that too!
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Hope it works out where we can keep him. I'd rather have him than Freeney.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:30 PM   #61
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Ian Rappaport says word is Elvis isn't open to the idea, and this could be a fight between The Broncos & Dumervil.

I can't see this front office letting someone like Elvis go. Just can't see it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:34 PM   #62
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Denver is indeed looking for Elvis Dumervil to take a paycut. It's not his cap number ($13.6M) but his salary ($12M) that's the problem. So with Dumervil and Denver, this likely wouldn't be a restructure. He's simply making too much money relative to his production now. Remember, Denver's cap has been managed well. They'll have room to take care of guys like Decker, Thomas and Miller in coming years
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Broncos like pass rusher Elvis Dumervil, but not at $12M/year. They are seeking a lower deal, and situation could end up with his release. Broncos paying Manning $20M/year, Bailey is around $10M, and Von Miller will be getting paid huge soon enough.
https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/s...65622800801792

Good rundown of the whole thing here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...vil-or-his-pay
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:37 PM   #63
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Freeney in place of dumervil is downgrading a position of huge importance on this team IMO.
I'd draft Werner....if he's there.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:40 PM   #64
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The team has ZERO leverage. If they cut him he'd make MORE on the open market, not less.
Well if it's totally about the money for him and not the Lombardi, buh bye. He'd still get his money, just over a longer period.
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Well if it's totally about the money for him and not the Lombardi, buh bye. He'd still get his money, just over a longer period.
just a question:

How would you like it if your employer asked you to take a paycut to be a team player? A paycut of, i assume, 10% of your salary...regardless of how much you make.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM   #66
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A league source tells the Denver Post the Broncos will pursue free agent Dwight Freeney if they can't get RE Elvis Dumervil to take a pay-cut.
Per beat writer Mike Klis, the Broncos believe they'd be better off paying Freeney $5 million instead of Dumervil's currently scheduled $12 million. Dumervil is the more productive player at this stage of their careers, but is grossly overpaid. A return to a 4-3 defense could also help Freeney rebound from a rough 2012. This won't be the last we hear of Freeney potentially reuniting with Peyton Manning.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...run-at-freeney
I really hope our FO isn't that stupid.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:51 PM   #67
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I really hope our FO isn't that stupid.
If you could turn Doom into Freeney and 2 other pieces it might not be the dumbest thing in the world.

that said, i hope they restructure and free up some cash.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:58 PM   #68
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just a question:

How would you like it if your employer asked you to take a paycut to be a team player? A paycut of, i assume, 10% of your salary...regardless of how much you make.
They aren't asking him to take a pay cut per se, he'll still get his money and he's making enough, even with less over a longer period, that I doubt it would effect him to the extent it would effect me. And with the sequester it may happen to me, losing 2 days a pay period. I'm just glad to have a job.
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I'd draft Werner....if he's there.
Bjoern Werner will be gone in first 5 or 10 picks.

I'll eat a can of moist cat food if Bjoern Werner lasts until the 28th pick.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:00 PM   #70
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They should ask Peymeaton one-and-done-meister to take a cut also.
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So does this mean the Broncos will increase all the player's play who overperformed their contracts, like Woodyard, Harris, Carter, and Decker? I guess they are all getting big raises right?

If i was Doom I'd tell them to suck it and cut me. He is going to make more in FA plus he'll get another signing bonus.
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So does this mean the Broncos will increase all the player's play who overperformed their contracts, like Woodyard, Harris, Carter, and Decker? I guess they are all getting big raises right?

If i was Doom I'd tell them to suck it and cut me. He is going to make more in FA plus he'll get another signing bonus.
I find it hard to believe he gets cut outright. Some team will make a lowball offer to kick off negotiations, so they can get him at his current salary before his value goes up as an UFA.
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They aren't asking him to take a pay cut per se, he'll still get his money and he's making enough, even with less over a longer period, that I doubt it would effect him to the extent it would effect me. And with the sequester it may happen to me, losing 2 days a pay period. I'm just glad to have a job.
it appears its not the cap figure that's bothering them, but the salary...so they'd be asking him to take a pay cut if thats true. And thats not an apples to apples comparison. A lot of people are taking a hit with the sequester. if all broncos got their salaries docked because of something, i'm sure it'd be a diff story.
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just a question:

How would you like it if your employer asked you to take a paycut to be a team player? A paycut of, i assume, 10% of your salary...regardless of how much you make.
You're right! It's exactly the same.

Also, this happens all the time. Work four days a week to keep everyone employed. People don't like it but they often do it for the "team."
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:16 PM   #75
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You're right! It's exactly the same.

Also, this happens all the time. Work four days a week to keep everyone employed. People don't like it but they often do it for the "team."
But if you were asked to take the paycut, full well knowing you might be able to get a better deal elsewhere, would you?
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