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Old 03-06-2013, 12:19 PM   #301
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Champ Bailey missed 7 tackles from 2008-2010.
That's fantastic. #3 in the league.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:20 PM   #302
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That's fantastic. #3 in the league.
Yeah, Champ is a stud. Can't say I ever watched anyone do it better.

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Doom had 28 stops (tackles resulting in a failure for the offense) this season. That's the same as Wolfe, and it's more than any DT on the team.

In fact, he's tied (with Wolfe and Will Smith) at 17th among 4-3 DEs. Considering 24 teams play a 4-3 base and each team has 2 starters at DE, that makes him above average.

He isn't the liability against the run that he is made out to be.
Does a LB having 100 tackles automatically make him a good player?

Think about it. Tread carefully.
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Does a LB having 100 tackles automatically make him a good player?

Think about it. Tread carefully.
Of course not.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:29 PM   #305
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Does a LB having 100 tackles automatically make him a good player?

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Old 03-06-2013, 12:30 PM   #306
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The video is Champ Bailey gets SMOKED by Megatron

You know the touchdown where he ran a basic 9 route and stopped before the end zone..

Champ is and was great, but Revis is better and has the potential to be the best because he can do it all..
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The video is Champ Bailey gets SMOKED by Megatron

You know the touchdown where he ran a basic 9 route and stopped before the end zone..

Champ is and was great, but Revis is better and has the potential to be the best because he can do it all..
Can you give a link? I search for that and I get a Madden video, a Tom Brady video, and some old black and white movie.
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The video is Champ Bailey gets SMOKED by Megatron

You know the touchdown where he ran a basic 9 route and stopped before the end zone..

Champ is and was great, but Revis is better and has the potential to be the best because he can do it all..
Its OK man. Theres no reason to actually entertain such a stupid demand.
Of course Champ has whiffed on tackles, and been burned. It happens.
Hes a great player and a sure fire 1st ballot HOF'er.
And a healthy Revis is every bit as good as Champs ever been.
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The video is Champ Bailey gets SMOKED by Megatron

You know the touchdown where he ran a basic 9 route and stopped before the end zone..
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Well yeah, but he didn't miss the tackle!
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Of course not.
So does an above-average number of tackles for a undersized DE who teams consistently run at mean he is a solid run defender? How many of those stops were TFL or for minimal gain?
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Its OK man. Theres no reason to actually entertain such a stupid demand.
Of course Champ has whiffed on tackles, and been burned. It happens.
Hes a great player and a sure fire 1st ballot HOF'er.
And a healthy Revis is every bit as good as Champs ever been.
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So does an above-average number of tackles for a undersized DE who teams consistently run at mean he is a solid run defender? How many of those stops were TFL or for minimal gain?
Um... all of them were. That's what a stop is.

For example, a tackle after a 3 yard gain on 3rd and 4 is a stop.

A tackle after a 3 yard gain on 3rd and 2 is not.
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Ok, I did...

The only result was a Madden video. Was that what you meant?


this whole argument is silly though. champ and revis are both hall of fame corners and we would be lucky to have them both. end of story
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The video is Champ Bailey gets SMOKED by Megatron

You know the touchdown where he ran a basic 9 route and stopped before the end zone..

Champ is and was great, but Revis is better and has the potential to be the best because he can do it all..
Dude you are comparing Revis in his prime and Champ past it. Champ in his prime beard slaps Revis. Go look up Champs 05 and 06 seasons. In 05 he was runner up to defensive player of the year (which he was robbed from by Jason Taylor).

Sorry, again Revis is great. But he is no Champ in his prime.
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It's hard enough for running backs to do what Peterson did in returning from an ACL injury, simply because they take shots every time they touch a football. Cornerback is easily a tougher position for recovering from a blown-out knee. At the very least, Peterson knows where he's going and how to protect himself with the ball in his hands. Revis is at the mercy of receivers who will be looking to test him week in and week out. His confidence and effectiveness aren't going to be nearly as high as we're used to seeing.
That's one reason all this talk about where he'll end up sounds so premature. No team in its right mind would be willing to gamble on a player at that position -- particularly one who reportedly is looking for a long-term deal worth $16 million annually -- without feeling extremely certain that it was mitigating the risk. The 49ers might have a serious need to improve their cornerback situation, but that doesn't mean they have to surrender significant draft picks just because Revis is a big name. The uncertainty of his comeback already has to be the major barrier to any kind of deal getting done this offseason.
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Our front office must be crazy if we do ship out Doom and the reported 1st. Of course In-Bob is already saying we offered this years 1st and 3rd. No way. A 2nd this year and a conditional high pick next year. The Jets aren't in a situation to be asking for the moon when:

1st) He is basically a 1 year lease on a team going nowhere this season.
2nd) There is no way Revis goes back and signs a long term contract after trade discussion this off season. That bridge has been burned.
3rd) The dude is injured. We have to see how that knee reacts to the back pedaling and abrupt change of direction. (Remember he got injured planting his feet without getting touched).

No way in hell we give them a 1st and Doom. Just no way. Now, if it's straight up for that 2nd and a conditional pick next year, do it!

But I must say I love this last part. Yo Revis... Karma is a b****. No matter how great you are.

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Revis also isn't helping matters by continually talking as if he had some control over this process. He has griped about the Jets' not being more forthcoming about their plans for him, and he recently endorsed the notion of playing for the 49ers while doing an online interview with Seattle Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson. The more Revis has talked, the more he sounds like a man who believes he can find a nice landing place if he makes enough noise. But it doesn't work that way in the NFL. Teams in the position the Jets now hold are going to do exactly what they want, regardless of how it makes a four-time Pro Bowler feel.

Revis would be better suited if he kept quiet and focused on his rehabilitation. This is going to play out in the best fashion for the Jets, mainly because they hold all the cards. You can bet team owner Woody Johnson remembers how Revis held out to gain a four-year, $32 million contract prior to the 2010 season -- with three years remaining on his deal at the time -- then threatened to do it again last offseason. This is how leverage works. It sucks when you're on the wrong end of it.

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Dude you are comparing Revis in his prime and Champ past it. Champ in his prime beard slaps Revis. Go look up Champs 05 and 06 seasons. In 05 he was runner up to defensive player of the year (which he was robbed from by Jason Taylor).

Sorry, again Revis is great. But he is no Champ in his prime.
Um, i watched Chad Ochocinco smoke Champ Bailey in 05 bro. I think the game was a SUN or Mon night game.
I also watched a Mon night game in DEN against OAK 05-06? where Champ was abused. In the snow. Cant remember the name of that OAK WR's name. Went to JAX i think, and fell off the planet. Kerry Collins brought them back. Just before half time Plummer hit Rod Smith for a TD on a play action boot leg.
Notice how i can remember these moments from games and these plays but i dont really care so much becuase i still think Champ is great, and like all CB's they have bad plays and bad games??
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Um, i watched Chad Ochocinco smoke Champ Bailey in 05 bro. I think the game was a SUN or Mon night game.
I also watched a Mon night game in DEN against OAK 05-06? where Champ was abused. In the snow. Cant remember the name of that OAK WR's name. Went to JAX i think, and fell off the planet. Kerry Collins brought them back. Just before half time Plummer hit Rod Smith for a TD on a play action boot leg.
Notice how i can remember these moments from games and these plays but i dont really care so much becuase i still think Champ is great, and like all CB's they have bad plays and bad games??
Yeah I remember those burns. Like they say: Even the great ones get burned. But Champ has been doing it for what 14 years? Revis just blew out his knee in only his 6th year (without even getting touched). And think about that too, in 6 years Revis has hold out 2 times and threatened to to it a 3rd time. Champ is way to classy to not honor his contracts.

And I stand by the argument, Revis has nothing like Champs 05-06 seasons.
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Um, i watched Chad Ochocinco smoke Champ Bailey in 05 bro. I think the game was a SUN or Mon night game.
I also watched a Mon night game in DEN against OAK 05-06? where Champ was abused. In the snow. Cant remember the name of that OAK WR's name. Went to JAX i think, and fell off the planet. Kerry Collins brought them back. Just before half time Plummer hit Rod Smith for a TD on a play action boot leg.
Notice how i can remember these moments from games and these plays but i dont really care so much becuase i still think Champ is great, and like all CB's they have bad plays and bad games??
Mon night game at cincy buzzsaw.


It was Porter for the fade.
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So, what's the cap hit if we trade Doom?
$4.9M if traded or cut as a pre-June tranny.
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Um, i watched Chad Ochocinco smoke Champ Bailey in 05 bro. I think the game was a SUN or Mon night game.
I also watched a Mon night game in DEN against OAK 05-06? where Champ was abused. In the snow. Cant remember the name of that OAK WR's name. Went to JAX i think, and fell off the planet. Kerry Collins brought them back. Just before half time Plummer hit Rod Smith for a TD on a play action boot leg.
Notice how i can remember these moments from games and these plays but i dont really care so much becuase i still think Champ is great, and like all CB's they have bad plays and bad games??
the best part is EVERY Broncos fan remembers those two games. why? because they were the only times Champ was ever beat.
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It was Porter for the fade.
That was a horrible game for Broncos fans. Wasn't that also the game George Foster laid the cheap cut block?
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