Sal Pal - Denver in mix for Revis trade - The Orange Mane

SoDak Bronco · 03-05-2013, 05:32 AM

Heard on NFL Sirius XM radio that the Broncos are interested in trading for Revis in exchange for pass rusher and a high draft pick, thoughts?

Rohirrim · 03-05-2013, 05:37 AM

Forgive me, but I just don't value the position that highly. If I had to choose, I'd rather have a great pass rusher then a great CB.

SlyEli · 03-05-2013, 05:53 AM

I'm torn...if the pass rusher is doom, as many people have stated, I think revis would be worth more for the money. Doom is a big liability against the run, and the majority of his sacks came against the chargers picked-up-off-the-street O tackle. But I think the threat of dumervil helps miller out.

BroncoInferno · 03-05-2013, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco

Heard on NFL Sirius XM radio that the Broncos are interested in trading for Revis in exchange for pass rusher and a high draft pick, thoughts?

I'm assuming the bold would mean Dumervil? If so, that could make it workable from a financial/cap standpoint since Dumervil has an eight figure cap number. Then, we'd have Ayers - who looked great off the bench last season - to step into his spot. That said, I'd still rather pass. Especially if we'd have to include "a high draft pick" in addition to Dumervil. We were 13-3 and lost to the eventual champs due to horrible, one sided officiating. We don't need to overact by making a move like this. Hold steady and use the draft and 2nd/3rd tier free agents to round out the roster. Don't make a panic move in the hopes that it will be the magic elixir that will put us over the top. Those types of moves generally don't work out.

ludo21 · 03-05-2013, 06:09 AM

yuck.

revis has been injury prone these 2 years. Love the guy when healthy, but a GREAT pass rush Dumervil for him and maybe also give up picks? No thanks!

Agamemnon · 03-05-2013, 06:11 AM

**** that. Pass rusher >>> corner. I will seriously lose my **** if this happens.

Karenin · 03-05-2013, 06:15 AM

Get rid of Dumervil AND pick up Revis? Where do I sign up?

Eldorado · 03-05-2013, 06:17 AM

Ayers and a 3rd.

cousinal11 · 03-05-2013, 06:19 AM

Interesting. I love Doom & all but...

Pass rushers aren't as rare as a corner that has an island named after him.

Bmore Manning · 03-05-2013, 06:25 AM

I would like to point out that it was pass rush and coverage issues that lost us the playoff game.. The pass rush didn't get home, and coverage was less than average..

The two work hand in hand..

To me, Revis is a game changer. He will completely eliminate a WR. That allows you to schematically do things different with the pass rush if need be. Doom didn't get home against the Ravens, as a result our coverage was exposed. There will be pass rushers in the draft and in FA, but there isn't a Revis Island in free agency, and a draftee would take time to develop into a shut down corner..

Tim · 03-05-2013, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eldorado

Ayers and a 3rd.

I was thinking ayers and a seventh and we get revis and Wilkerson

DBroncos4life · 03-05-2013, 06:36 AM

You would think if rhe Jets could afford this Sir Butt Fumble would have been cut by now.

LetsGoBroncos · 03-05-2013, 06:37 AM

Tough one. I have been one of the ones saying Doom is making more money than he should be so from the standpoint of trading Doom for Revis I'm for it. We could get a guy like Freeney to replace Doom for much cheaper. The part that makes me uncomfortable is giving up a high draft pick. Also, how much money does Revis want, and is he healthy?

yerner · 03-05-2013, 06:47 AM

it just feels like too much of an investment in one player. why not just throw that money at 3 or 4 free agents and still have the draft pick?

Drek · 03-05-2013, 06:47 AM

If it's Doom and our 2nd I could stomach it. Doom and our 3rd would be more like what I'd be interested in though.

I think Ayers could replace some of Doom's pass rush production given the chance and obviously would be an improvement against the run, so I can see where the FO's arithmetic adds up. If they view the gap between Doom and Ayers as less than the gap between Revis and Harris/Carter then it's all about how highly you value the pick going back.

bfoflcommish · 03-05-2013, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LetsGoBroncos

Tough one. I have been one of the ones saying Doom is making more money than he should be so from the standpoint of trading Doom for Revis I'm for it. We could get a guy like Freeney to replace Doom for much cheaper. The part that makes me uncomfortable is giving up a high draft pick. Also, how much money does Revis want, and is he healthy?

BINGO... if the front office already knows we are in drivers set to maybe get freeney why not trade doom? I'd much rather have freeney and revis than doom and a 3rd

yerner · 03-05-2013, 07:03 AM

Just read this on a ESPN article. Doom is obviously overpaid.

"Defensive end: Elvis Dumervil
Cap difference: minus-$14m

Yes, we're telling you that Dumervil and the 12 times he got to the quarterback for a sack are overrated by that much. With a monstrous $15.6 million cap hit, this has to go down as one of the deals the Broncos got wrong years ago; they did not do a good job of judging the impact Dumervil has on the majority of his snaps. Sure, he had the 14th-highest pass rushing productivity score of all defensive ends, but eight costly penalties and some terrible run defense (his 4.8 run stop percentage was the 13th-lowest of all defensive ends) shows a player who has made a reputation on his highlight reel and not the body of his work."

TonyR · 03-05-2013, 07:06 AM

I suppose this is possible, but I have a hunch he's just regurgitating the unfounded rumors that are making the rounds. Most likely nothing to this. Can't really see the Broncos making this move.

Heyneck · 03-05-2013, 07:13 AM

We struggled for years to find a consistent pass rush. You guys want to get rid of that? We have had Champ for a long time, what has that gotten us? The coverage guys depend way more on the pass rush than the other way around. Count coverage sacks against the regular ones and tell me the difference.

Plus, has anyone around here gotten the head around that if we trade Doom and a high pick for him, we would have to sign him to a ridiculous contract. Like best defensive player type money. No way Jose. Leave that egotistical chump over by New York.

SlyEli · 03-05-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck

We struggled for years to find a consistent pass rush. You guys want to get rid of that? We have had Champ for a long time, what has that gotten us? The coverage guys depend way more on the pass rush than the other way around. Count coverage sacks against the regular ones and tell me the difference.

Plus, has anyone around here gotten the head around that if we trade Doom and a high pick for him, we would have to sign him to a ridiculous contract. Like best defensive player type money. No way Jose. Leave that egotistical chump over by New York.

Not Revis. And not with Von Miller.

Eldorado · 03-05-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

I was thinking ayers and a seventh and we get revis and Wilkerson

Seems fair.

cousinal11 · 03-05-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR

I suppose this is possible, but I have a hunch he's just regurgitating the unfounded rumors that are making the rounds. Most likely nothing to this. Can't really see the Broncos making this move.

I think Denver would be dumb not to make this reported offer & the Jets would be dumb to do this reported offer.

Heyneck · 03-05-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by elibroncofan

Not Revis. And not with Von Miller.

Yeah but Von ain't going to have the same impact he had with a very competent pass rusher. A CB can be great and cover "half the field", but just like other teams did with Champ in his prime, you just throw it the other way. Plus with the evolution of the TE in the offensive schemes, you have that many other options to not challenge Revis.

Plus, what you talking about? Champ was a better corner than Revis in his prime. What did that get us? I remember way more Champ saying during those days the importance of having a consistent pass rush.

cousinal11 · 03-05-2013, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck

Yeah but Von ain't going to have the same impact he had with a very competent pass rusher. A CB can be great and cover "half the field", but just like other teams did with Champ in his prime, you just throw it the other way. Plus with the evolution of the TE in the offensive schemes, you have that many other options to not challenge Revis.

So you think our D with Ayers in for Doom & Revis in our secondary isn't netter than what we have at this point?

Inkana7 · 03-05-2013, 07:36 AM

this will be our undoing if true

03-05-2013, 05:32 AM	#1
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,133 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	Sal Pal - Denver in mix for Revis trade Heard on NFL Sirius XM radio that the Broncos are interested in trading for Revis in exchange for pass rusher and a high draft pick, thoughts?

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03-05-2013, 05:37 AM	#2
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,849	Forgive me, but I just don't value the position that highly. If I had to choose, I'd rather have a great pass rusher then a great CB.

03-05-2013, 05:53 AM	#3
SlyEli Seasoned Veteran Slylingual Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 343 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wes Welker	I'm torn...if the pass rusher is doom, as many people have stated, I think revis would be worth more for the money. Doom is a big liability against the run, and the majority of his sacks came against the chargers picked-up-off-the-street O tackle. But I think the threat of dumervil helps miller out.

03-05-2013, 06:09 AM	#5
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	yuck. revis has been injury prone these 2 years. Love the guy when healthy, but a GREAT pass rush Dumervil for him and maybe also give up picks? No thanks!

03-05-2013, 06:11 AM	#6
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10,454 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	** that. Pass rusher >>> corner. I will seriously lose my ** if this happens.

03-05-2013, 06:15 AM	#7
Karenin Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 829 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Get rid of Dumervil AND pick up Revis? Where do I sign up?

03-05-2013, 06:17 AM	#8
Eldorado Formerly orange&blue Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,779 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ayers	Ayers and a 3rd.

03-05-2013, 06:19 AM	#9
cousinal11 East Coast Bronco Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,203 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dresseen	Interesting. I love Doom & all but... Pass rushers aren't as rare as a corner that has an island named after him.

03-05-2013, 06:25 AM	#10
Bmore Manning Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,729 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I would like to point out that it was pass rush and coverage issues that lost us the playoff game.. The pass rush didn't get home, and coverage was less than average.. The two work hand in hand.. To me, Revis is a game changer. He will completely eliminate a WR. That allows you to schematically do things different with the pass rush if need be. Doom didn't get home against the Ravens, as a result our coverage was exposed. There will be pass rushers in the draft and in FA, but there isn't a Revis Island in free agency, and a draftee would take time to develop into a shut down corner..

03-05-2013, 06:36 AM	#12
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,588	You would think if rhe Jets could afford this Sir Butt Fumble would have been cut by now.

03-05-2013, 06:37 AM	#13
LetsGoBroncos Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 857	Tough one. I have been one of the ones saying Doom is making more money than he should be so from the standpoint of trading Doom for Revis I'm for it. We could get a guy like Freeney to replace Doom for much cheaper. The part that makes me uncomfortable is giving up a high draft pick. Also, how much money does Revis want, and is he healthy?

03-05-2013, 06:47 AM	#14
yerner Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Charlottesville VA Posts: 3,305	it just feels like too much of an investment in one player. why not just throw that money at 3 or 4 free agents and still have the draft pick?

03-05-2013, 06:47 AM	#15
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,317	If it's Doom and our 2nd I could stomach it. Doom and our 3rd would be more like what I'd be interested in though. I think Ayers could replace some of Doom's pass rush production given the chance and obviously would be an improvement against the run, so I can see where the FO's arithmetic adds up. If they view the gap between Doom and Ayers as less than the gap between Revis and Harris/Carter then it's all about how highly you value the pick going back.

03-05-2013, 07:03 AM	#17
yerner Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Charlottesville VA Posts: 3,305	Just read this on a ESPN article. Doom is obviously overpaid. "Defensive end: Elvis Dumervil Cap difference: minus-$14m Yes, we're telling you that Dumervil and the 12 times he got to the quarterback for a sack are overrated by that much. With a monstrous $15.6 million cap hit, this has to go down as one of the deals the Broncos got wrong years ago; they did not do a good job of judging the impact Dumervil has on the majority of his snaps. Sure, he had the 14th-highest pass rushing productivity score of all defensive ends, but eight costly penalties and some terrible run defense (his 4.8 run stop percentage was the 13th-lowest of all defensive ends) shows a player who has made a reputation on his highlight reel and not the body of his work."

03-05-2013, 07:06 AM	#18
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,584	I suppose this is possible, but I have a hunch he's just regurgitating the unfounded rumors that are making the rounds. Most likely nothing to this. Can't really see the Broncos making this move.

03-05-2013, 07:13 AM	#19
Heyneck Ring of Famer None is a family member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cali, Colombia Posts: 2,191 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	We struggled for years to find a consistent pass rush. You guys want to get rid of that? We have had Champ for a long time, what has that gotten us? The coverage guys depend way more on the pass rush than the other way around. Count coverage sacks against the regular ones and tell me the difference. Plus, has anyone around here gotten the head around that if we trade Doom and a high pick for him, we would have to sign him to a ridiculous contract. Like best defensive player type money. No way Jose. Leave that egotistical chump over by New York.

03-05-2013, 07:36 AM	#25
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,232 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	this will be our undoing if true