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Old 03-04-2013, 02:29 AM   #76
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On top of that, six of Flacco's nine playoff wins are on the road! He's earned that check if you ask me.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:39 AM   #77
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Just to put Flacco's six road playoff wins into context, the Denver Broncos have three road playoff wins in franchise history.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:58 AM   #78
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$6.8m cap hit in 2013 so they're gonna be able to bring back Reed, Ellerbe and maybe even Kruger.
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$6.8m cap hit in 2013 so they're gonna be able to bring back Reed, Ellerbe and maybe even Kruger.
Pretty amazing mathematical gymnastics they must've gone through there. $20 mil a year on average and only counts $6.8 in the first year.....unreal. That contract isn't going to be so much fun when he's counting $30 mil against the cap next year or the year after.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:27 AM   #80
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Pretty amazing mathematical gymnastics they must've gone through there. $20 mil a year on average and only counts $6.8 in the first year.....unreal. That contract isn't going to be so much fun when he's counting $30 mil against the cap next year or the year after.
They'll just re-write the deal when the big cap-numbers come due:

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The cap numbers in the first two years of the deal are approximately $6.8 million and $14.8 million, which should allow the Ravens to keep a player or two they really want to keep, such as wideout Anquan Boldin and left tackle Bryant McKinnie. I think defensive end Paul Kruger, a free agent, will get big money somewhere and won't return. I think it's looking more and more likely that the free-agent inside linebacker the team would like to keep, Dannell Ellerbe, will get a bigger offer elsewhere than the Ravens would be willing to pay. If so, he'll likely leave too.

Baltimore will likely have to re-do the six-year Flacco contract after year three. Approximate cap number in year four: $29 million. With the cap estimated roughly to be about $130 million in that season, 2016, it's highly unlikely the Ravens would devote 22 percent of their cap to the quarterback.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:47 AM   #81
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They'll just re-write the deal when the big cap-numbers come due:



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I don't get it. So all you have to do now is give a player a crazy amount of money, make it where the first couple years don't count much against the cap, then re-do the deal a few years into it and make it cap friendly again? There are no consequences for giving someone a TON of money?
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They'll just re-write the deal when the big cap-numbers come due:



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They can try all they want, but eventually it's got to bite them because he's guaranteed $62 mil over the first three years. I notice they give his cap hit for years one and two and say that they're re-write AFTER year three.....but what about year three itself? I'm sure he'll be willing to re-write, but he's not going to re-write for less than his guarantees.
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I don't get it. So all you have to do now is give a player a crazy amount of money, make it where the first couple years don't count much against the cap, then re-do the deal a few years into it and make it cap friendly again? There are no consequences for giving someone a TON of money?
The first three years are guaranteed, as Beantown points out in the above post. That averages out to $20m per year. After the 3rd year the contract can be re-negotiated.
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The first three years are guaranteed, as Beantown points out in the above post. That averages out to $20m per year. After the 3rd year the contract can be re-negotiated.
I understand that. I'm saying people (Peter King for example) are acting like the Ravens structured the contract so that there isn't a huge cap hit these first couple years, and then when there will be a huge cap hit in a few years they will just re-negotiate. I'm saying if that is true it is a stupid system to be able to give a guy $100 million but never have it hurt your salary cap.
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I understand that. I'm saying people (Peter King for example) are acting like the Ravens structured the contract so that there isn't a huge cap hit these first couple years, and then when there will be a huge cap hit in a few years they will just re-negotiate. I'm saying if that is true it is a stupid system to be able to give a guy $100 million but never have it hurt your salary cap.
I think the way the Ravens front office is trying to structure things is so that they can basically keep the team together for another run in the playoffs, hence the $6.8m cap hit this coming season. However, they are basically just pushing the big cap hit down the road and it will strangle them the third year and they cannot re-negotiate it then. They will absolutely have a huge cap hit, $30m+ for Flacco and they will have to pay it. It's only after the 3rd year and all of the guaranteed money is paid out ($62m) that they can open up a re-negotiation. At that time Flacco can tell them no and then baltimore will have to release him which might cause another cap hit/payment to occure.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:11 AM   #86
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Just to put Flacco's six road playoff wins into context, the Denver Broncos have three road playoff wins in franchise history.
Mark Sanchez has four. Kind of waters down this point.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:13 AM   #87
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I understand that. I'm saying people (Peter King for example) are acting like the Ravens structured the contract so that there isn't a huge cap hit these first couple years, and then when there will be a huge cap hit in a few years they will just re-negotiate. I'm saying if that is true it is a stupid system to be able to give a guy $100 million but never have it hurt your salary cap.
That is how agents get clients.

Year Base Salary Sign Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit
2013 1,000,000 5,800,000 00000000 6,800,000
2014 6,000,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 16,550,000
2015 4,000,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 14,550,000

These three years will be renegotiated:
2016 18,200,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 28,750,000
2017 20,600,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 31,150,000
2018 20,000,000 00000000 4,750,000 24,750,000
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:32 AM   #88
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Mark Sanchez has four. Kind of waters down this point.
Yeah when you think about it, great regular season teams don't tend to play tons of road playoff games.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:41 AM   #89
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They can try all they want, but eventually it's got to bite them...
Yup, it's like taking out a loan to pay off a loan. Eventually you have to pay the bill, it doesn't just vanish. You can only kick the can down the road so far.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:45 AM   #90
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The sour grapes in this thread is ridiculous.

Flacco had 11 TD to 0 INT in the postseason. Five years in the league, Flacco has at least one postseason win in each of those five seasons. He is tied with Peyton Manning with nine career postseason wins. So he isn't a one-hit wonder. What more do you want?

Nevermind, Flacco made a big league throw on that heave to Jacoby Jones. That's the reason why that play was made in the first place ---- very few QBs can make that kind of throw and Rahim Moore underestimated him.
Flacco has a great arm, always has. And you have to give the guy credit for how well he's played in the postseason. The problem is he's been very inconsistent, and sometimes just not very good, in the regular season. He played poorly quite a few times this past season. The Ravens barely made the playoffs. If you don't make the playoffs you can't win in them. We'll see if his performance this past postseason carries over into next season. Chances are he reverts back to something closer to the way he's played the last couple of regular seasons. And we'll find out if that's good enough.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:57 AM   #91
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Aaron Rodgers has got to be smiling up in Green Bay. His contract is up next year and he's going to get so much money after this Flacco deal.
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Manning is fortunate he got to play against the weakest SB QB in NFL history.

That's the only reason he won a SB.
The only reason? So getting there didn't have anything to do with it?

Also, you're not going to counterbalance your lame argument with the fact that his peak years were up against the Patriots during the heights of the Brady/Pats dynasty? It's almost comparable to every great player who "failed" during the Jordan/Bulls dynasty.
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Aaron Rodgers has got to be smiling up in Green Bay. His contract is up next year and he's going to get so much money after this Flacco deal.
Yep, Flacco is now Rodgers' bff.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:03 AM   #94
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flacco earned it, but no way is he deserving of this much money....ouch Ravens paying out the rear for this SB.

Imagine if Moore just did his job.... flacco better pay that man
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Mark Sanchez has four. Kind of waters down this point.
And no SB. Kind of an important piece of the story.
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Never, ever pay attention to the total contract worth cos no-one else does. It's all about the guaranteed money these days and the majority of teams couldn't give a **** about the cap cos it's all a cash business now and the cap can be reworked to however a team likes.

Much like Denver and other teams, the New England Patriots have announced that they will only spend cash to cap this year, hence the major Brady pay reduction.

Flacco's real deal is basically 3 years $52m as $10m of his year 3 money isn't guaranteed and will likely be renegotiated at that point.
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Flacco's real deal is basically 3 years $52m as $10m of his year 3 money isn't guaranteed and will likely be renegotiated at that point.
They're going to re-negotiate a 6 year deal after 2 years? That would have to be a record.
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Flacco has a great arm, always has. And you have to give the guy credit for how well he's played in the postseason. The problem is he's been very inconsistent, and sometimes just not very good, in the regular season. He played poorly quite a few times this past season. The Ravens barely made the playoffs. If you don't make the playoffs you can't win in them. We'll see if his performance this past postseason carries over into next season. Chances are he reverts back to something closer to the way he's played the last couple of regular seasons. And we'll find out if that's good enough.
I'd give up a few regular season wins for clutch in the playoffs and a Title every single year. You can cite regular season "inconsistencies" all you want, but it amounts to nothing but hyperbole and sour grapes.

Players are paid retroactively all the time in the NFL, and Flacco went out and got it done in a contract year and earned the contract he signed.
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flacco earned it, but no way is he deserving of this much money....ouch Ravens paying out the rear for this SB.

Imagine if Moore just did his job.... flacco better pay that man
So true! Or at least a thank you card!
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...and Flacco went out and got it done in a contract year and earned the contract he signed.
Nobody will disagree with what Flacco did in the playoffs. But anyone who followed Baltimore football more closely knows that there was a lot of discussion during the regular season about what the long term solution was going to be at QB. There was a lot of doubt about Flacco and a lot of people were done with him. Do you recall how awful he was against the Broncos in the regular season game? He played extremely well in the postseason, but his defense (really stepped it up in the playoffs), WRs (they went up and got a lot of balls, particularly Boldin), and OL (remember the Broncos, who led the league in sacks, couldn't touch him) gave him a lot of solid support. Again, let's see what he does this coming year before we crown him.
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