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Old 03-01-2013, 11:32 AM   #26
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nice link!

This is also an option for some of you out there.

http://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/...to_the_cord_i/

Also, with the above link if someone in your family has comcast, directv, dish there's an app for that.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:21 PM   #27
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I bought a computer with a built in TV tuner and HDMI output 4 years ago. No cable bill watch everything I want. Widows media has a built in DVR.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:38 PM   #28
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Hook a computer up to your TV and stream anything you want on the internet.
Ya, I get that. For ESPN can you stream it online without having a Cable / Sat / fiber account?

If I go to the website and try to watch the live feed it ask for that info before it lets you watch. ESPN 2, U and some of the others only ask if you are a customer of any of their affiliates. I assume if you got broadband from one of them that would work.

Currently, I have Verizon FIOS so I can enter me account info and watch ESPN 1,2, ect. If I didn't what would I do?
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:23 PM   #29
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Hook a computer up to your TV and stream anything you want on the internet.
I have an HTPC. Hard to watch sports around the kids with the fantastic array of porn ads you'll probably see while trying to stream from a place like firstrow though.

Not worth the risk or hassle at this point, for me at least.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:58 PM   #30
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Quit complaining and stop paying.

There are plenty of alternatives that cost much less.

Everybody doesn't have enough bandwidth (speed) to watch internet tv, movies or whatever and if they did most ISP are starting to add data limits..................sos your gonna pay one or the other....period !
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:20 PM   #31
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yeah i pay for just internet and its 46 bucks...ouch

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Old 03-01-2013, 02:21 PM   #32
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Just wondering what proof it is you have that cable companies are on their way out. This not so distant future you speak of is probably what, 30-50 years from now?
I think most poor people know what over the air broadcasting is. And still not everybody can get it. These are people that don't have TVs that are newer than 2007, and can't afford a converter box. I work for a cable company. So I guess I should start looking for another job before my job disappears.
Declining user base, more competition from non-traditional sources, no way to dictate terms because not enough of them own enough of the content.

Netflix's CEO has said his goal is for Netflix to become HBO before HBO becomes Netflix. He outbid them for House of Cards to that end. So if Netflix does hit a few original programming home runs how long can Time Warner keep HBO behind their walled garden while Netflix gains mind share? Amazon is now pursuing more digital content to attack Netflix as well. Hulu Plus exists specifically to try out different business models for content providers.

Eventually content providers will find the right model to sell to their customers directly and take the middleman that is cable/satellite out of the equation for all but the most rural of customers. That model is likely going to arrive within the next several years and its all downhill for cable from there. Middlemen never survive too long, the middleman cable company is about to face that reality.
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Declining user base, more competition from non-traditional sources, no way to dictate terms because not enough of them own enough of the content.

Netflix's CEO has said his goal is for Netflix to become HBO before HBO becomes Netflix. He outbid them for House of Cards to that end. So if Netflix does hit a few original programming home runs how long can Time Warner keep HBO behind their walled garden while Netflix gains mind share? Amazon is now pursuing more digital content to attack Netflix as well. Hulu Plus exists specifically to try out different business models for content providers.

Eventually content providers will find the right model to sell to their customers directly and take the middleman that is cable/satellite out of the equation for all but the most rural of customers. That model is likely going to arrive within the next several years and its all downhill for cable from there. Middlemen never survive too long, the middleman cable company is about to face that reality.
Cable companies will survive. They'll just become ISPs instead of having any role in programming. What they lost in programming revenue they'll try to make up by charging for bandwidth. Good news is it brings them into open bandwidth competition with the telecom and maybe even wireless providers on some level, so they'll no longer have as much pricing control.

I've also wondered sometimes if a major cable player like TW couldn't talk the channel providers into some sort of virtual cable service. Where they can still try their hand at packaging certain things, but give themselves an instant nationwide market. I think it could work well for the first few cable companies that tried it. But the rest of the legacy market would pitch a fit.
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Declining user base, more competition from non-traditional sources, no way to dictate terms because not enough of them own enough of the content.

Netflix's CEO has said his goal is for Netflix to become HBO before HBO becomes Netflix. He outbid them for House of Cards to that end. So if Netflix does hit a few original programming home runs how long can Time Warner keep HBO behind their walled garden while Netflix gains mind share? Amazon is now pursuing more digital content to attack Netflix as well. Hulu Plus exists specifically to try out different business models for content providers.

Eventually content providers will find the right model to sell to their customers directly and take the middleman that is cable/satellite out of the equation for all but the most rural of customers. That model is likely going to arrive within the next several years and its all downhill for cable from there. Middlemen never survive too long, the middleman cable company is about to face that reality.
The strength of any cable company these days is its high speed internet service. So if your talking about video programming you are on to something, but I think it a bit premature. The a la cart possibility is still many, many years away. If there was an a la cart service, how would new channels survive? If not packaged in a bundle, they would never make it. I'm sure something will give and a revolution will begin sometime, but so called middlemen worth billions don't just disappear. They will adapt.
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The strength of any cable company these days is its high speed internet service. So if your talking about video programming you are on to something, but I think it a bit premature. The a la cart possibility is still many, many years away. If there was an a la cart service, how would new channels survive? If not packaged in a bundle, they would never make it. I'm sure something will give and a revolution will begin sometime, but so called middlemen worth billions don't just disappear. They will adapt.
They'll just become ISPs, yes. The days of cable companies being middlemen on video programming are VERY close to the end already because Netflix, Amazon, iTunes, etc. all offer the same kind of media but with a far better format and better understanding of the end user.

There is a reason why Netflix upped the entire first season of House of Cards at once. Their usage statistics tell them that is what their consumers want. These companies are miles ahead on user metrics, much like Google is on the web browsing front. They use that to leverage their services in the optimal fashion - seeming pro-consumer while actually doing what is best for them.

Also, any channel that can't survive in an a la carte environment is a channel that shouldn't exist. This is the most powerful paradigm shift that will bring about a la carte programming in the near future. When the major content providers realize that a la carte not only frees them from a middle man collecting from their customers but that it also gives them the most healthy free market determination of whether a product is viable.

Instead of a cable company paying $2 per channel to Viacom and then charging what they need to from the consumer the consumer can instead just pay Viacom that $2 for any channel they find interesting. The cream of the crop will distinguish itself and the channels that have survived entirely thanks to bundling and that have actually been wasting money will be singled out and eliminated.

Cable and satellite have their place still in a country that still can't offer universal high speed, and the major companies are obviously well into becoming ISPs as it stands now. The video services will in the next several years (5-10) begin to turn into a boutique industry where only a fraction of their total consumers care for it.
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:48 AM   #36
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will bump this thread when apple tv is dropped later this year.
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:38 AM   #37
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Drek, what do you do for sports outside of the free to air channels?
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:03 AM   #38
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OTA Antenna for local, Amazon Prime for just about every thing else (we got Prime originally with my wife's Kindle, but it is so worth keeping because we live a bit from shopping), and firstrow/stream 2 watch/other stream for live games. I won't be going back even for a la carte.
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I have an HTPC. Hard to watch sports around the kids with the fantastic array of porn ads you'll probably see while trying to stream from a place like firstrow though.
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I have an HTPC. Hard to watch sports around the kids with the fantastic array of porn ads you'll probably see while trying to stream from a place like firstrow though.

Not worth the risk or hassle at this point, for me at least.
Firstrow has ads?



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Old 03-02-2013, 12:26 PM   #41
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Drek, same questions as DrunkyMonkey .... sports and news, NFL Network, MSNBC, etc. ?? As you know, Roku offers a long list of news channels, Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC News, MSNBC, etc ... but it's a hodgepodge of patchwork content. Everything's a day or two or a week old, some shows are even audio only.

Our setup sounds identical to yours, Roku XS with Netflix, Hulu Plus and Amazon Instant Video free with Prime (though HD versions still cost us extra). I'm okay with networks delaying first-run TV shows, they usually release them for streaming after midnight the night they air. But news just doesn't work well for me, I need it live.



Anybody interested In Internet TV, note most of the Netflix catalog is still available by mail only. And by "most" I mean when I checked my Top 10 or so favorite films, zero. Not a single one available.

Hulu Plus has virtually no movies, but the sheer volume of it's TV content is staggering. Example: you can watch every SNL ever. Every.single.one starting with the George Carlin premiere. CBS finally signed on with Hulu last month, so now they have all 4 broadcast networks. There's such a massive quantities of programming, Hulu slices and dices them into over 100 different channel groupings to make them easier to find (navigation can be a problem), like the 'Stephen J. Cannel Channel.'

Downsides to Internet TV: In addition to no live programming, hence no worthwhile news or sports, the DVR problem nags me. So easy with cable or satellite, a HUGE plus. Can't really use a DVR with this, you could but the hassles would kill it.

Couple things if you're shopping for a box: 1) Virtually every TV manufactured today has the functions of Roku-type boxes built-in, been that way the past couple years, and 2) Because of an ongoing (and ongoing) technical dispute with Google, Roku boxes still does not carry YouTube's Channel.

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Downsides to Internet TV: In addition to no live programming, hence no worthwhile news or sports, the DVR problem nags me. So easy with cable or satellite, a HUGE plus. Can't really use a DVR with this, you could but the hassles would kill it.
I watch all sports live on the internet.
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If there's a decent subscription-based content provider, tell me. But I don't like bouncing around Jutin-TV one step ahead of the sheriff.

NFL Network and others should really be looking into providing subscriber-based online access. Lots of guys would buy it, and it turn out to be a goldmine.
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Eventually it will all be internet based. I am thinking about dumping directv and keeping netflix, amazon prime and Vudu.


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I'm part of the growing group of Roku, Hulu, Netflix rebels. The only thing I miss is Bronco games on NFL Network and Espn, but I can always go to a bar or restaurant for those. Cable and satellite TV are the devil.
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I'm part of the growing group of Roku, Hulu, Netflix rebels. The only thing I miss is Bronco games on NFL Network and Espn, but I can always go to a bar or restaurant for those. Cable and satellite TV are the devil.
Not when they pay for your cable and internet.
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As another side to this issue, I would love to have cable where I live out in the country; not because of the tv programming but for the cable internet. I would then abandon my land line and use Skype for my telephone, Netflix and Vudu for TV and internet for internet. My daughter pays less than $30 for her cable modem and that would be my total cost for all electronic communication. Hopefully all cable companies will devolve into internet providers only. **** the cable, satelite tv.
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Where?
Here is ESPN and the NFL Channel

http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/american-football.html

Here is NBA

http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/basketball.html

Here is hockey
http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/ice-hockey.html

Here is Tennis
http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/tennis.html

You can even watch ABC & CBS along with some Canadian channels

http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/tv-box.html
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This one has Euro sports, BBC 1 and 2; Espn, Espn 2 and ESPN America and even poker

http://atdee.net/

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