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Old 02-28-2013, 09:31 AM   #151
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2nd and another mid pick for Alex Smith is like paying $10000 to upgrade your 32 inch CRT TV to a 37 inch flat screen. Yes it's an upgrade. No, it's not that much of an upgrade considering the cost.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:44 AM   #152
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There is speculation from some reputable draft guru's and people in Twitter land and on various websites that the Chiefs made the trade for Alex Smith because they feel like they have potential suitors for #1 overall. If that is true, they could get back some of what they gave up. Problem is, who is going to move up to #1 in this draft? That is the only way they can salvage the mess they just made.
It is easy to move up these days with the rookie salary cap. Teams no longer have to shell out $30 million bonuses.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:58 AM   #153
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So you have a team with 6 pro bowlers, the #5 rushing attack in the NFL , many solid defensive players and no QB plus the first pick in teh draft


Who can get get with the first pick or your 2nd round pick that will come in and be better in Reid's WCO than Smith this year and next.

Atleast with Smith you have a good WCO QB who will not turn the ball over and with a solid rushing attack can win games. Will he win shootouts no but he can win the occasional shootout like the SF playoff game with NO

I think KC will be a major contender this year in the AFCW

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Old 02-28-2013, 10:25 AM   #154
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So you have a team with 6 pro bowlers, the #5 rushing attack in the NFL , many solid defensive players and no QB plus the first pick in teh draft


Who can get get with the first pick or your 2nd round pick that will come in and be better in Reid's WCO than Smith this year and next.

Atleast with Smith you have a good WCO QB who will not turn the ball over and with a solid rushing attack can win games. Will he win shootouts no but he can win the occasional shootout like the SF playoff game with NO

I think KC will be a major contender this year in the AFCW
No, assuming we stay healthy, we should run away with the division. Much like the Colts did year after year.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:48 AM   #155
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The buzz in KC is that Reid and Dorsey know that there is quite a bit of interest in the 1st overall pick.

From what I've heard, the Raiders, Eagles and Browns all love Geno Smith.

I can see a situation where we trade to 4 with the Eagles and pick up a draft pick, still get a great player, and get the chance to screw the Raiders over.

I'd love that if it happened.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:54 AM   #156
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I, frankly, don't see the upgrade here, Smith has underperformed most of his career until he acquired a great supporting cast and a great QB coach.
Well that kinda cuts both ways. SF was garbage with or without Smith up until last year (when Smith was reborn under JH). I don't think anyone thinks he's the kind of guy that will make a garbage team competitive. But there's only 3 or 4 of those guys in the league.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:56 AM   #157
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I doubt there's much interest in trading up to the #1 pick of the draft but ok.
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:13 AM   #158
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The buzz in KC is that Reid and Dorsey know that there is quite a bit of interest in the 1st overall pick.

From what I've heard, the Raiders, Eagles and Browns all love Geno Smith.

I can see a situation where we trade to 4 with the Eagles and pick up a draft pick, still get a great player, and get the chance to screw the Raiders over.

I'd love that if it happened.
If the Chiefs trade down, and recover that second-round pick, this actually might work for them. I think that the second round is where the true draft value is going to be. Losing the second-round pick is the reason why this deal makes no sense...
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:16 AM   #159
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The buzz in KC is that Reid and Dorsey know that there is quite a bit of interest in the 1st overall pick.

From what I've heard, the Raiders, Eagles and Browns all love Geno Smith.

I can see a situation where we trade to 4 with the Eagles and pick up a draft pick, still get a great player, and get the chance to screw the Raiders over.

I'd love that if it happened.
Everything I have heard on NFL live and the sports writers say that the QB's won't go until the end of the 1st or early 2nd. I do not think a qb will go #1 overall this year, unless the Browns get antsy I don't see a QB going top 5 or even 10 this year.

Oakland said they are going to restructure Palmer and put in packages for that kid they got in the supplemental draft. The Eagles redid Vick's deal and they have Foals. Browns would be the only team I could see taking a QB high and I bet even they try to drop a couple slots to get him.

It would be funny to see Smith go 1st overall then do well for another team for 16 years though!

I could see kFc trying to trade down a couple slots and getting maybe the 2nd or 3rd best OT and trying to get a 2nd or 3 back to make up for the trade loss. I think at this point they should take the guy they want rather than settle for what is left over if they trade down.
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I doubt the Browns trade up to the #1 for a QB. They don't need a LT either. So who else is worth it to trade up to the #1 spot?

Ok, I'll play devil's advocate and say that kc does find a trading partner. If they do manage to trade down, no one is going to give them much in trade, that is, it's not going to be an RG3/Skins type of trade. They will probably swap firsts, and pick up an additional pick like a second, and then what else? If the strength of this draft is in the 2nd-3rd round, do you honestly think other teams are going to give those picks up in trade?
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:27 AM   #161
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In 77 career starts, Alex Smith has thrown for 300 yards exactly three times.

He has shown that he can win games...when coupled with a top 5 defense.
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:48 AM   #162
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I doubt the Browns trade up to the #1 for a QB. They don't need a LT either. So who else is worth it to trade up to the #1 spot?

Ok, I'll play devil's advocate and say that kc does find a trading partner. If they do manage to trade down, no one is going to give them much in trade, that is, it's not going to be an RG3/Skins type of trade. They will probably swap firsts, and pick up an additional pick like a second, and then what else? If the strength of this draft is in the 2nd-3rd round, do you honestly think other teams are going to give those picks up in trade?
I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills wanted to trade up. Their owner did come out and say that they want their QB and they'll trade up to do it.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:25 PM   #163
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There is speculation from some reputable draft guru's and people in Twitter land and on various websites that the Chiefs made the trade for Alex Smith because they feel like they have potential suitors for #1 overall. If that is true, they could get back some of what they gave up. Problem is, who is going to move up to #1 in this draft? That is the only way they can salvage the mess they just made.
That is just to quiet the fans down in my opinion.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:27 PM   #164
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I'm really hoping that the Bills want to trade up. Their owner did come out and say that they want their QB and they'll trade up to do it.
Fixed that for you.

I'd be shocked if anyone traded for the #1 pick this year. But then again, I was shocked to see a team giving up a 2nd round pick (much less two!) for Alex Smith.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:36 PM   #165
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There is speculation from some reputable draft guru's and people in Twitter land and on various websites that the Chiefs made the trade for Alex Smith because they feel like they have potential suitors for #1 overall. If that is true, they could get back some of what they gave up. Problem is, who is going to move up to #1 in this draft? That is the only way they can salvage the mess they just made.
I think that is the case. I'm sure some teams have had discussions with them already about moving up and floated numbers. I will say I do not expect compensation to be near what Washington gave up last year to move up. But, some GM might fall in love with a player(and trying to save their job) and pony up the picks. We will see how much the Chiefs get. The Chiefs with Dorsey/Reid are in KC for the long haul. All it takes is one desperate team to move up.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:43 PM   #166
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I can't see any teams than the Bills, Cardinals or Jets who would draft QB in round 1 and they draft 7, 8 and 9. If Matt Flynn, Matt Cassel or any other backup quality QB is moved between now and the draft, that could leave 2 teams to slug it out and I am not certain if either one would really consider moving all the way to number 1 to get a QB. Honestly, if the Bills really want to leapfrog the Cardinals to get Geno Smith, why would they trade up higher than number 4?
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:56 PM   #167
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Fixed that for you.

I'd be shocked if anyone traded for the #1 pick this year. But then again, I was shocked to see a team giving up a 2nd round pick (much less two!) for Alex Smith.
We gave up that much because the 49ers knew we needed him. We had no leverage at all. And if I'm not mistaken next years pick is conditional, not a for sure 2nd round pick.

Reid making this deal at the combine means what everyone has been saying: this QB class is terrible and will need to be developed.
And this isn't from some moron like Pioli who doesn't know jack **** about QB's. Reid kinda has a well-deserved rep for finding and developing QB's.

I don't like the ammo we gave up to get the guy, but he was by far the best QB this offseason. If you don't believe that then answer this: who will win more games? A 20-5 NFL vet or some rookie QB in one of the weakest classes ever?

I fully expect Reid to do exactly what he and John Elway did last year: draft a QB to sit and develop until the time is right.

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Old 02-28-2013, 02:59 PM   #168
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We gave up that much because the 49ers knew we needed him. We had no leverage at all. And if I'm not mistaken next years pick is conditional, not a for sure 2nd round pick.

Reid making this deal at the combine means what everyone has been saying: this QB class is terrible and will need to be developed.
And this isn't from some moron like Pioli who doesn't know jack **** about QB's. Reid kinda has a well-deserved rep for finding and developing QB's.

I don't like the ammo we gave up to get the guy, but he was by far the best QB this offseason. If you don't believe that then answer this: who will win more games? A 20-5 NFL vet or some rookie QB in one of the weakest classes ever?

I fully expect Reid to do exactly what he and John Elway did last year: draft a QB in the 2nd/3rd round are to sit and develop until the time is right.
lol! Yeah, that Kevin Kolb has been tearing **** UP!
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lol! Yeah, that Kevin Kolb has been tearing **** UP!
He was good in Philly. Good enough to get a 1st round CB and 2nd round pick. Reid raped Arizona hard on that one.
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He was good in Philly. Good enough to get a 1st round CB and 2nd round pick. Reid raped Arizona hard on that one.
Maybe so, but Reid is the rapee this time.......
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The buzz in KC is that Reid and Dorsey know that there is quite a bit of interest in the 1st overall pick.

From what I've heard, the Raiders, Eagles and Browns all love Geno Smith.

I can see a situation where we trade to 4 with the Eagles and pick up a draft pick, still get a great player, and get the chance to screw the Raiders over.

I'd love that if it happened.
OK I just saw the NFL segment where the food critic guy said that Oakland is looking at drafting Smith.

A day or 2 ago they said they were happy restructuring Palmers deal and putting in packages for their supplemental draft pick. I wonder how much of this is BS.

Anyone panicking and making a move up to draft Smith in a draft where the holders of the 1st overall pick made a trade for a Vet rather than pick him is crazy.
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I don't like the ammo we gave up to get the guy, but he was by far the best QB this offseason. If you don't believe that then answer this: who will win more games? A 20-5 NFL vet or some rookie QB in one of the weakest classes ever?
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Alex Smith, a more mobile Kyle Orton.....which probably would've won 8 games for the Chiefs in 2012....
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He was good in Philly. Good enough to get a 1st round CB and 2nd round pick. Reid raped Arizona hard on that one.
He was good in Philly? When?

Ill agree about the rape though
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He was good in Philly. Good enough to get a 1st round CB and 2nd round pick. Reid raped Arizona hard on that one.
Reid has been good at trading away QBs, he got a 2nd rounder for Mcnabb, but we have yet to see him be good with trading FOR a QB.
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