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Old 02-22-2013, 01:52 PM   #176
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Somewhat.

But IMO if he goes to this church and does anything less than call them out on their treatment of certain groups, he's not being Christ-like.

I believe if Christ were invited to a church (excuse me, organization) like this, he would have called them all Christian Pharisees and repudiated everything they stood for. He wouldn't stand up there and give a speech about loving your neighbor and not make mention of the manner in which they're "loving" theirs. That's not the Jesus that exists in any Bible I've ever read.

And I'm not going back over my qualifications on the subject. They're quite well documented.
Somehow, I don't see that happening, though I'd like to be wrong.

I had read that he was to receive a large fee for speaking there, it's doubtful he will bite the hand that feeds him. Backing off now, probably had more to do with finding a new NFL team.

Wasn't going to happen had he not 'postponed'........and regardless, the damage is done and may prove to be the end of his NFL 'adventure.'
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:03 PM   #177
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Wasn't going to happen had he not 'postponed'........and regardless, the damage is done and may prove to be the end of his NFL 'adventure.'
That's a touch convenient. Before you would've said he was done because he couldn't play the game of football. Now it's because he's not lock-step with your sense of decorum?

If he makes it or not, this nifty bit of media manufacture has nothing to do with it.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:55 PM   #178
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That's a touch convenient. Before you would've said he was done because he couldn't play the game of football. Now it's because he's not lock-step with your sense of decorum?

If he makes it or not, this nifty bit of media manufacture has nothing to do with it.
It's interesting that you think you know what I 'would have said.' You're wrong. I think he can be a football player, just not a QB and when did I say he was done?

However, take all of his liabilities.....can't play QB at the NFL level, the circus that loudly follows him and now the controversy of his speaking engagement at a church regarded as bigoted.

IMO, It's now unlikely an NFL team will sign him......and his chances before were already slim to nil. It's a 'tipping point' and I think he may have reached it.

If you think otherwise, say so. Because, unlike you, I don't pretend to know what someone is thinking.
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:07 PM   #179
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If a person goes to give a speech at an organization does that mean he should have to have all their beliefs assigned to him. Or does it mean he is accepting of their positions?
If he went there and just gave a nice talk then he'd pretty much be legitimizing, if not outright endorsing, them and their beliefs. Which is clearly why he backed out, because that's what he was planning to do and he didn't realize how much backlash there was going to be.
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It's interesting that you think you know what I 'would have said.' You're wrong. I think he can be a football player, just not a QB and when did I say he was done?

However, take all of his liabilities.....can't play QB at the NFL level, the circus that loudly follows him and now the controversy of his speaking engagement at a church regarded as bigoted.

IMO, It's now unlikely an NFL team will sign him......and his chances before were already slim to nil. It's a 'tipping point' and I think he may have reached it.

If you think otherwise, say so. Because, unlike you, I don't pretend to know what someone is thinking.
Ok, so let's get more specific then. Which team do you think might've looked at Tim, but is now having a backroom conversation to the effect of "Well, I would've liked to have seen what he could do, but then I heard he almost talked to this one hardcore fundie Church in Dallas, so no dice. I'm out."
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If he went there and just gave a nice talk then he'd pretty much be legitimizing, if not outright endorsing, them and their beliefs. Which is clearly why he backed out, because that's what he was planning to do and he didn't realize how much backlash there was going to be.
This is cool. So because President Obama didn't specifically renounce Holocaust Denial when he spoke to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, he actually legitimized it. Good to know.
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Ok, so let's get more specific then. Which team do you think might've looked at Tim, but is now having a backroom conversation to the effect of "Well, I would've liked to have seen what he could do, but then I heard he almost talked to this one hardcore fundie Church in Dallas, so no dice. I'm out."
You have too much time on your hands.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:04 PM   #183
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If a person goes to a KKK rally and talks about the joys of cross burning, yes!!

If a person goes to westboro baptist church and tells them how ****ing wrong they are, no!!

It's not going that endorses, it's what they say that matters.
your not answering. What if all tebow did was say the same things he always does and doesn't talk at all about gay issues? Things aren't as easy as you try and make them. By using the Westboro church you picked the most outlandish ridiculous one you have ever heard of. How is that being reasonable? KKK and Westboro Church are your two examples. Wow don't go trying to be too reasonable now.

I like you answer though its your intent that always matter and what should be judged. People got pissed at tebow before he even went. He never got a chance to speak to them. All this sort of thing does is drive people further apart but I realize you don't see it that way.
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This is cool. So because President Obama didn't specifically renounce Holocaust Denial when he spoke to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, he actually legitimized it. Good to know.
Totally different scenario and circumstances. Stupid, terrible comparison.
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your not answering. What if all tebow did was say the same things he always does and doesn't talk at all about gay issues? Things aren't as easy as you try and make them. By using the Westboro church you picked the most outlandish ridiculous one you have ever heard of. How is that being reasonable? KKK and Westboro Church are your two examples. Wow don't go trying to be too reasonable now.

I like you answer though its your intent that always matter and what should be judged. People got pissed at tebow before he even went. He never got a chance to speak to them. All this sort of thing does is drive people further apart but I realize you don't see it that way.
Of course I did. And too the point. You didn't like the Organizations I picked?? Tough luck.

I asked you to be specific. Here's your question.

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Totally different scenario and circumstances. Stupid, terrible comparison.
True. On the one hand you have to worry about the soul of each person in attendance. The other was just a meaningless political photo op. Not much to compare.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:11 AM   #187
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True...
Once again you're not as stupid as you're letting on. What you are is disingenuous. You're comparing a speech directly to an church/organization vs. a speech where a small group of an organizations members attended a speech. If you can't see or understand the distinction then there's really no point arguing with you about it any more.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:54 AM   #188
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This is about the PC hordes thought policing and persecuting anyone they don't like. Nothing more, nothing less.
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This is about the PC hordes thought policing and persecuting anyone they don't like. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yep - straight folks are so persecuted these days - especially the ones who fear, hate, and loathe homosexuals.
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I'll be damned why secular liberals keep quoting Gandhi when the topic is Christianity.

Apparently they're ignorant enough to think it's from the Bible or something.
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Yep - straight folks are so persecuted these days - especially the ones who fear, hate, and loathe homosexuals.
Anyone who doesn't agree with the left coalition is persecuted, and this thread is an example of that. The "tolerance" crowd are quick to attack anyone that says things they don't like, thus rendering the concept of their "tolerance" a total sham.

Anyone who thinks gays are "persecuted" has their head up their ass. Disagreement with does not equal persecution. That's something you and yours need to get pounded into your little empty skulls.
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I'll be damned why secular liberals keep quoting Gandhi when the topic is Christianity.

Apparently they're ignorant enough to think it's from the Bible or something.


“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”


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Anyone who doesn't agree with the left coalition is persecuted
How? By being told that you're an idiot and full of ****? You poor poor baby. Did your wittle feewings get hurted?

Compared to how the right coalition does indeed persecute people, you're getting off easy.

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Anyone who thinks gays are "persecuted" has their head up their ass. Disagreement with does not equal persecution. That's something you and yours need to get pounded into your little empty skulls.
You'd say that gays weren't being persecuted as long as they weren't being rounded up and executed.

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Anyone who doesn't agree with the left coalition is persecuted, and this thread is an example of that. The "tolerance" crowd are quick to attack anyone that says things they don't like, thus rendering the concept of their "tolerance" a total sham.

Anyone who thinks gays are "persecuted" has their head up their ass. Disagreement with does not equal persecution. That's something you and yours need to get pounded into your little empty skulls.
So then can we put you officially on the record as being in support of Robert Jeffress and his teachings?
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How? By being told that you're an idiot and full of ****? You poor poor baby. Did your wittle feewings get hurted?
what? Calling names isn't an argument, so why would that hurt my feelings? All that does is display to everyone that you're incapable of anything else.

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Compared to how the right coalition does indeed persecute people, you're getting off easy.
I think I already said disagreement doesn't equal persecution. Are these two words too large for you at this stage in your life?


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Last time I heard of that happening was in enlightened, Socialist, leftist Cuba. What does that have to do with Tim Tebow or American Christians?

Right - nothing. You're reaching, to put it mildly.

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So then can we put you officially on the record as being in support of Robert Jeffress and his teachings?
False dichotomy in action.

If I have the audacity to say that disagreement doesn't equal persecution, then in your eyes I am "one of those."

Try again.
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Try again.
Answer the question. Do you agree or disagree with the teachings of Jeffress? Simple question that even a simple person like you should be able to answer. Time to man up.
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“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.”
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“The Bible has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies.”
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Appeals to authority - good one.

Suffice it to say, had this thread been about Christians who said things you liked, you wouldn't be dropping your britches and taking a dump here.
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