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Old 02-21-2013, 09:15 AM   #26
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What do you think would have happened, if there WASN'T an armed guard? He was on lunch break, and he saved more lives from being taken...
Having more guys with guns around so we can prevent issues with other guys with guns is a losing approach.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:20 AM   #27
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Having more guys with guns around so we can prevent issues with other guys with guns is a losing approach.
It was illegal for those killers to carry weapons onto the school campus. It was illegal for them to saw off the barrels and stocks. There was nothing we could do about their illegal actions before the massacre even started. Having an armed guard does not make the existing situation more dangerous. It will only help defend when a crazy outlaw is on the loose.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:50 AM   #28
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Chuck Hagel’s confirmation process has been the most depressing episode in the Republican foreign-policy debate since George W. Bush was president, not least because the debate is still constrained by terms set by John McCain and impersonators such as Lindsey Graham and Kelly Ayotte.

Hagel may be flawed, but Senate Republicans have largely subjected the would-be Obama defense secretary to a show trial for his modest dissents from the Bush administration as a GOP senator from Nebraska. Among many of Hagel’s former colleagues, the idea that Bush’s Iraq policy was anything less than an unqualified success somehow remains controversial.

Worse, none of the Tea Party freshmen took the opportunity to distinguish themselves from their colleagues in the hearings. This is to be expected of Marco Rubio, who has made his hawkish inclinations plain, but not the trio of senators endorsed by Ron Paul—Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and his son Rand Paul.

All three of these senators joined the vast majority of Republicans in delaying Hagel’s nomination. Lee has said he will ultimately vote against Hagel, calling his positions “weak” and “dangerous.” Cruz has been too demagogic in his opposition even for Graham and McCain.

The bigger concern is what this means for these senators’ broader foreign-policy views. In the 1990s, Republicans used some lowest-common-denominator issues—congressional declarations of war, no troops under foreign command—to appeal to less interventionist conservatives drawn to Pat Buchanan, while remaining conventionally but covertly hawkish.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:56 AM   #29
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Why No “Realist Caucus” in the GOP Has Emerged

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...p-has-emerged/

^ This is the thinking of true conservatives. Not the foaming at the mouth nonsense witnessed on Fox News, right wing radio, and from several delusional posters here in the WRP.
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:25 PM   #30
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Why No “Realist Caucus” in the GOP Has Emerged

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...p-has-emerged/

^ This is the thinking of true conservatives. Not the foaming at the mouth nonsense witnessed on Fox News, right wing radio, and from several delusional posters here in the WRP.
More troubling than the lack of a realist caucus is the reality that ten years after the invasion of Iraq so little has changed in the way that national Republicans think and argue about foreign policy. Hard-liners are still employing the same despicable smear tactics that were used against conservative opponents of the war in 2002 and 2003, and they still face no penalty inside their party or the conservative movement for doing so. One would have thought that multiple defeats at the polls, the loss of credibility on foreign policy, and the humiliating failure of the most important policy initiatives of the last administration would shock Republicans into some measure of sanity and sober reflection. Nothing of the sort has happened, and even most of the ostensible insurgent Republicans feel obliged to endorse the party’s prevailing obsessions. The Hagel nomination was a small but important opportunity for Republicans to demonstrate that they were at least capable of improving on these issues, and at least at the level of party and movement leaders they have blown it completely.

That pretty much sums up the modern GOP - They simply jump from one "prevailing obsession" to the next. It's government by hysteria. I don't know if that's ever been tried before. Probably for good reason.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:54 AM   #31
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Conservative think tanks haven’t developed plausible alternative ideas on health policy because that isn’t what donors want them to do. For the last four years, the project has been finding anything to tear down Obamacare, not to find a replacement. … When people talk about the conservative echo chamber, they often focus on lowbrow outlets like Fox News, talk radio and Breitbart.com. Certainly these are often embarrassing and counterproductive for conservatism, most recently with the “Friends of Hamas” fiasco. But every movement contains stupid people reading stupid things. The special reason conservatives can’t think straight is that their supposedly smart institutions are inside the echo chamber, too.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:36 PM   #32
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It was illegal for those killers to carry weapons onto the school campus. It was illegal for them to saw off the barrels and stocks. There was nothing we could do about their illegal actions before the massacre even started. Having an armed guard does not make the existing situation more dangerous. It will only help defend when a crazy outlaw is on the loose.
If we were living in the wild west, then your post would make sense. But because we're trying to usher in a civilized society, I choose to not be content with a future where "guns everywhere" is our default answer to violence.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:16 PM   #33
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I'm not content in gathering our kids into guns-free-for-the-good-guys zones without at least one good guy with a gun to protect them. It's such an easy target for any crazy person that wants to send a message to the world.
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