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Old 02-18-2013, 12:23 PM   #51
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What does Obama do, then?

Nuclear attack?
I'm waiting for our president to tell me what he is going to do. Mongo only pawn in game of life. Are you telling me a nuclear attack is the only think you see as possibly working?
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So you can see how N Korea such a mess. Let Iran test a nuke and now you have same situation in the Persian Gulf. Obama better make some hard decisions. Worry about gay marraige, preschool, immigration and get some short term wins, or worry about the future of the world and make some tough decisions.
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So you can see how N Korea such a mess. Let Iran test a nuke and now you have same situation in the Persian Gulf. Obama better make some hard decisions. Worry about gay marraige, preschool, immigration and get some short term wins, or worry about the future of the world and make some tough decisions.
If only gwb had taken your advice & had dealt with NK,instead of BSing us into the iraq war.You act as if NK started there nuclear program just last week.
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I'm waiting for our president to tell me what he is going to do. Mongo only pawn in game of life.
Write him and tell him what you think he ought to do. Quit being so passive.

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Are you telling me a nuclear attack is the only think you see as possibly working?
You tell me what Obama ought to do.
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Write him and tell him what you think he ought to do. Quit being so passive.



You tell me what Obama ought to do.
You tell me what he should do you voted for him.
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If only gwb had taken your advice & had dealt with NK,instead of BSing us into the iraq war.You act as if NK started there nuclear program just last week.
And Clinton and Bush JR. You are right presidents have ben passing the buck on this. Now we have Obama who can either let Iran join the club, do nothing about N Korea, or he can formulate some sort of plan.

Instead he talks about gay marraige. He's the QB now. Thats like blaming Griese for Manning not getting it done.
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You tell me what he should do you voted for him.
He's still your President even if you didn't vote for him.

You're just chickening out.
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And Clinton and Bush JR. You are right presidents have ben passing the buck on this. Now we have Obama who can either let Iran join the club, do nothing about N Korea, or he can formulate some sort of plan.

Instead he talks about gay marraige. He's the QB now. Thats like blaming Griese for Manning not getting it done.
There's more to do than just deal with Iran & NK. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Just cause he isn't out there giving NK all his attention publicly,doesn't mean nothing is getting done behind the scenes.
Clinton got the ball rolling with dealing with NK,GWB ignored the problem,and now Obama is dealing with it.
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America Shamed Again: A Colonized People

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February 18, 2013 "Information Clearing House" - Americans have been shamed many times by their elected representatives who cravenly bow to vested interests and betray the American people. But no previous disgraceful behavior can match the public shame brought to Americans by the behavior of the Senate Republicans in the confirmation hearing of Senator Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense.

Forty Senate Republicans made it clear that not only do they refuse to put their service to America ahead of their service to Israel, but also that they will not even put their service to America on a par with their service to Israel. To every American’s shame, the Republicans demonstrated for all the world to see that they are wholly owned subsidiaries of the Israel Lobby. (The Israel Lobby is not their only master. They are also owned by other powerful interest groups, such as Wall Street and the Military/Security Complex.)

The most embarrassing behavior of all came from the craven Lindsay Graham, who, while in the act of demonstrating his complete subservience by crawling on his belly before the Israel Lobby, dared Hagel to name one single person in the US Congress who is afraid of the Israel Lobby.

If I had been Hagel, I would have written off the nomination and answered: “You, Senator Graham, and your 40 craven colleagues.”

Indeed, Hagel could have answered: The entire US Congress, including Rand Paul who pretends to be different but isn’t.

The real question is: Who in the Congress is not afraid of the Israel Lobby?

The hatchet job on Hagel is driven by fear of the Israel Lobby.

Perhaps the worst affront Israel’s American representatives ever inflicted on the US military was the coverup of the Israeli air and torpedo boat attack on the USS Liberty in 1967. The Israeli attack failed to sink the Liberty but killed and wounded most of the crew. The survivors were ordered to silence, and it was 12 years before one of them spoke up and revealed what had happened (James Ennes, Assault On The Liberty). Not even Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff could get Washington to own up to the facts.

The facts are now well known, but as far as Washington is concerned they are dead letter facts. The entire event has been moved to some parallel universe.

Why are the Senate Republicans out to destroy Hagel for Israel?

The answer is, first, back when Hagel was a US Senator he refused to be intimidated by the Israel Lobby and declared, “I am a US Senator, not an Israeli Senator.” In other words, Hagel did the impermissible. He said he represented US interests, not Israel’s interests. Hagel’s position implies that the interests of the two countries are not identical, which is a heresy.

The second part of the answer is that Hagel doesn’t think that it is a good idea for the US to start a war with Iran or for the US to permit Israel to do so.

But a US war with Iran is what the Israeli government and its neoconservative agents have been trying to impose on the Obama regime. Israel wants to get rid of Iran, because Iran supports Hizbollah in Southern Lebanon, thus preventing Israel from annexing that territory and its water resources, and because Iran supports Hamas, the only Palestinian organization that tries to oppose Israel’s total theft of Palestine, although Iran has never supplied Hamas with effective weapons.

The two organizations that oppose Israel’s territorial expansion, Hizbollah and Hamas, represent large numbers of Arab peoples. Nevertheless, both are declared, on Israel’s orders, to be “terrorist organizations” by the servile US Department of State, which in all reality should be called the Israeli Department of State, as it never puts US interests before Israel’s.

In other words, Hagel did not grovel. He did not say how much he loved Israel and how it would be his great honor to sacrifice all other interests to Israel’s, how he has waited his entire life for the chance to serve Israel as the US Secretary of Defense.

Hagel is not an opponent of Israel. He merely said, “First, I am an American.” His lack of craven subservience is unacceptable to the Israel Lobby, which has branded him an “anti-semite.”

Lindsay Graham, in contrast, has what it takes to be Israel’s perfect choice for US Secretary of Defense.

Graham will go out of his way to please the Israel Lobby. He will pull out all stops and behave with maximum servility to a foreign power in his effort to embarrass the President of the United States and his nominee, a war veteran and former US Senator who simply thinks that the US Congress and the executive branch should put American interests first.

Senate Majority Leader Reid has used Senate rules to keep Hagel’s nomination alive.
If Lindsay Graham succeeds in doing the Israel Lobby’s dirty work, he will have handed a defeat of the US President to the Israeli Prime Minister, who has demeaned the President of the United States for not doing Israel’s bidding and attacking Iran.

Americans are a colonized people. Their government represents the colonizing powers: Wall Street, the Israel Lobby, the Military/Security Complex, Agribusiness, Pharmaceuticals, Energy, Mining, and Timber interests.

Two elected representatives who tried to represent the American people--Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich--found representative government to be an inhospitable place for those few who attempt to represent the interests of the American people.

Like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Gerald Celente, I stand with our Founding Fathers who opposed America’s entanglement in foreign wars. In an effort to prevent entanglements, the Founding Fathers gave the power to declare war to Congress. Over the years Congress has gradually ceded this power to the President to the extent that it no longer exists as a power of Congress. The President can start a war anywhere at any time simply by declaring that the war is not a war but a “time-limited, scope-limited, kinetic military action.” Or he can use some other nonsensical collection of words.

In the first few years of the 21st century, the executive branch has invaded two countries, violated the sovereignty of five others with military operations, and has established military bases in Africa in order to counteract China’s economic penetration of the continent and to secure the resources for US and European corporations, thus enlarging the prospects for future wars. If the Republicans succeed in blocking Hagel’s confirmation, the prospect of war with Iran will be boosted.

By abdicating its war power, Congress lost its control of the purse. As the executive branch withholds more and more information from Congressional oversight committees, Congress is becoming increasingly powerless. As Washington’s war debts mount, Washington’s attack on the social safety net will become more intense. Governmental institutions that provide services to Americans will wither as more tax revenues are directed to the coffers of special interests and foreign entanglements.

The tenuous connection between the US government and the interests of citizens is on its way to being severed entirely.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following.
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Lindsey Graham's performance really was disgraceful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xSY...layer_embedded

To answer his question -- the US has done many "dumb things" at the behest of the Israeli lobby: attacking Iraq in 2002 is an obvious example.
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Yep, gaffe - them damn Jews is the cause of all our problems.
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Now Obama trying to make it seem like sequester was the repubs idea. Ooops had to admit when pressed no that idea came from the White House.

The real problem is Dems only really willing to raise taxes. They have no intention of cutting any spending. They don't even have the will to cut defense as much as the sequester calls for. Dems trying to pass this off as anything but a failure of Obama to lead is just election type partisan BS. Meanwhile in the real world you won but don't seem to really want to tackle the big problems. Liberals are great for getting ******s into the foxholes though.
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Yep, gaffe - them damn Jews is the cause of all our problems.
Well, he and Chuck appear to be of one mind on ze problem of ze Joos.

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Well, he and Chuck appear to be of one mind on ze problem of ze Joos.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ard-apartheid/
So let's get this straight,Jennifer Ruben,a right-wing con.,writing a story based on baseless innuendo out of free bacon. The crap that the right considers news these day is
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Now Obama trying to make it seem like sequester was the repubs idea. Ooops had to admit when pressed no that idea came from the White House.

The real problem is Dems only really willing to raise taxes. They have no intention of cutting any spending. They don't even have the will to cut defense as much as the sequester calls for. Dems trying to pass this off as anything but a failure of Obama to lead is just election type partisan BS. Meanwhile in the real world you won but don't seem to really want to tackle the big problems. Liberals are great for getting ******s into the foxholes though.
, yes a sequester that was forced by reps taking the debt ceiling hostage.

BTW,Republican house leader john boehner said this about the sequester: "I got 98% of what I wanted in the sequester" a sequester that 173 house reps voted for.
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So let's get this straight,Jennifer Ruben,a right-wing con.,writing a story based on baseless innuendo out of free bacon. The crap that the right considers news these day is
Written long before Chuck was ever nominated, so why would it be made up? We all know if this were a GW nominee, the press would be scouring the planet for more evidence (like this) of a nominee's borderline-antisemitism. Since their guy's in though, they're covering their heads, hoping nothing more comes out that they might be forced to cover.

Needless to say, the important stuff is all in broad daylight. Anyone who expects Israel to negotiate peace with Hamas is likely either an idiot or anti-Israel (or both) No sanctions on Iran? Chuck doubled down on insanity.
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Written long before Chuck was ever nominated, so why would it be made up? We all know if this were a GW nominee, the press would be scouring the planet for more evidence (like this) of a nominee's borderline-antisemitism. Since their guy's in though, they're covering their heads, hoping nothing more comes out that they might be forced to cover.

Needless to say, the important stuff is all in broad daylight. Anyone who expects Israel to negotiate peace with Hamas is likely either an idiot or anti-Israel (or both) No sanctions on Iran? Chuck doubled down on insanity.
If all this innuendo had any real truth to it hagel wouldn't be getting the votes necessary to become sec. of def. It's all a smear campaign based on rethugs getting their feelings hurt.
McCain & others have all said that hagel will get voted in.
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, yes a sequester that was forced by reps taking the debt ceiling hostage.

BTW,Republican house leader john boehner said this about the sequester: "I got 98% of what I wanted in the sequester" a sequester that 173 house reps voted for.
Please. Obama volunteered a deadline on the next round of kick the can. At some point, someone had to stop the game when it costs a trillion bucks a kick. If not now, when?
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, yes a sequester that was forced by reps taking the debt ceiling hostage.

BTW,Republican house leader john boehner said this about the sequester: "I got 98% of what I wanted in the sequester" a sequester that 173 house reps voted for.
What happened in the real world was this. Obama would not make any cuts to spending and wanted to raise taxes. A bipartisan commission was created to look for ways to cut spending and raise revenue. They could not come to an agreement because repubs would not raise taxes without spending cuts. While dems would gladly raise taxes without spending cuts.

So the whitehouse realizing that the liberals would not agree to cut any spending floated the idea of sequester. Repubs saw it as finally something that in the end will lead to cuts in spending. Either through an agreement or through the sequester.

If Obama gets a budget through with spending cuts then sequester is averted. If not then sequester happens. The liberals though are still refusing to make any cuts they have to take responsibility for.

Even though dems in power they still refuse to accept the mantle of leadership when it comes to the budget. They have taken the lead on social issues but that is it.

So here we are facing sequester. It was Obamas idea and his leadership has failed the country.
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If all this innuendo had any real truth to it hagel wouldn't be getting the votes necessary to become sec. of def. It's all a smear campaign based on rethugs getting their feelings hurt.
McCain & others have all said that hagel will get voted in.
Oh he'll probably get in. But he wouldn't if he'd been nominated by GWB. The Jewish Lobby/State Department stuff would've been the end. And it would've been media driven.
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What happened in the real world was this. Obama would not make any cuts to spending and wanted to raise taxes. A bipartisan commission was created to look for ways to cut spending and raise revenue. They could not come to an agreement because repubs would not raise taxes without spending cuts. While dems would gladly raise taxes without spending cuts.

So the whitehouse realizing that the liberals would not agree to cut any spending floated the idea of sequester. Repubs saw it as finally something that in the end will lead to cuts in spending. Either through an agreement or through the sequester.

If Obama gets a budget through with spending cuts then sequester is averted. If not then sequester happens. The liberals though are still refusing to make any cuts they have to take responsibility for.

Even though dems in power they still refuse to accept the mantle of leadership when it comes to the budget. They have taken the lead on social issues but that is it.

So here we are facing sequester. It was Obamas idea and his leadership has failed the country.
Dems have no issues with having some spending cuts,but any deal is going to have to include revenue.

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Dems have no issues with having some spending cuts,but any deal is going to have to include revenue.
You just raised taxes and repubs went along with it. How many times do you have to raise tax? And why do you want loopholes closed for oil who actually do something for the country but have no problem with facebook paying 0 tax and getting loopholes up the ass?

You just raised payroll tax and income tax on rich families. Revenue has been increased. And you got a debt limit raise also in there for a bit of time. Now its time to make some cuts and come through with your end of it.

Then after the dust settles maybe some more deals can be made on certain loopholes in the tax code, the corp tax being lowered, a territorial tax being considered etc.

Ridiculous Peace be reasonable and say he repubs caved on some taxes, lets give them some cuts and avoid sequester.

Then when the next battle looms both sides try and get something again.
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whats funny is things i have been talking about. A territorial corp tax system was talked about by Obama a bit in State of the Union. Really its a huge huge issue and at the root of our biggest problem. How to react to this new economy where the world is the stage. Our companies are making money overseas, paying tax overseas, using loopholes and exemptions to then leave the money overseas.

How do we get some of that revenue back to the USA, some of it into th govt tax coffers, without making it impossible for our corporations to compete with China and Europe. The election is over its time to come back to sanity and find points from both sides to make deals and move forward. Obama not really doing that he decided he wants to cash in political capital and go for the throat with his left wing agenda.

He's no Bill Clinton, Reagan, or even Bush SR or JR when it comes to compromise and doing whats right for our economy. He pushes ideology over economic progress.
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Dems have no issues with having some spending cuts,but any deal is going to have to include revenue.
Seriously in CA we had sales tax go up, a millionaires tax, then also all Obamas tax raising. We seriously can't survive anymore taxing.
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Dems have no issues with having some spending cuts,but any deal is going to have to include revenue.
They already did revenue (taxes) with 0 cuts attached. The sequester was put in place as a compromise to balance the increases that already happened.

Last time, Obama essentially said, "we'll put a deadline on making future cuts so you guys can agree to these tax increases now. Then we'll figure out how to make cuts before the sequester deadline."

Now he wants to ignore the deadline he set to pretend like he's starting all over again with the first round of tax increases off the table. It can't work that way. Either Obama can propose or support a plan to replace the cuts he already agreed to, or he can watch them take effect.

And they're really not all that significant anyway.
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