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Old 02-16-2013, 09:33 AM   #76
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:27 PM   #77
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I agree that absentee fathers are a huge issue. But I'm curious what these "liberal progressive causes to marginalize the role of the father" are.
There're multiple reasons why the liberal progressive movement has marginalized the roles of fathers. I'll start with their latest cause--gay marriage. The institution of marriage has already been damaged by things like no-fault divorce. The father's role is also marginalized by the state, the more babies, the more $. There's no need for a father.

Now the institution of marriage is being again watered down by gay-marriage. There's plenty of data that shows that kids do much, much better with a mother and a father. However, now the progressive liberals want everyone to believe that kids will do just as well with two moms or two dads and that simply is not true. The best way to raise children is with 1 mom and 1 dad, especially when it comes to boys. Also, women who have bad relationships or non-relationships with their fathers do not do as well as women who have good relationships with their fathers.

It's really is a common sense thing. Fathers are vitally important to the health and well being of kids. The inner cities where there's a dissproportionate amount of missing fathers is proof positive that a father's role in the family unit is vital for the well being of society as a whole.
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:50 PM   #78
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What's the solution to make men parents instead of just sperm shooters, then?

No gay marriage? What's that got to do with it?

Make divorce almost impossible? How will that help?

Please elaborate.
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:59 PM   #79
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What's the solution to make men parents instead of just sperm shooters, then?

No gay marriage? What's that got to do with it?

Make divorce almost impossible? How will that help?

Please elaborate.
Personal responsibility is foreign to you isn't it?
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:00 PM   #80
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As evidenced by the dramatic increase in illegitimacy rates in the black community over the past 50 years, and the clearly demonstrable effects on the fatherless children of the great society... the answer is to expand the role of government assistance because there hasn't been enough "investment" into the experiment.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:04 PM   #81
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Personal responsibility is foreign to you isn't it?
Lol. Liberalism is a religion where the central tenet is the abolition of personal responsibility.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:09 PM   #82
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Chris Rock on taking care of kids. *Warning* You don't want to play this at your office desk with the volume up...lol

Maybe this sums it up. "You are suppose to take care of your kids you dumb mother ****er" lmao....


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Old 02-16-2013, 04:13 PM   #83
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What's the solution to make men parents instead of just sperm shooters, then?

No gay marriage? What's that got to do with it?

Make divorce almost impossible? How will that help?

Please elaborate.
First, acknowledge that marriage between 1 man and 1 woman is the basic building block of society, especially in the West. Progressives won't even do this. Leaving marriage between 1 man and 1 woman will help do this (which you don't understand because you've already asked me what gay marriage has "got to do with it." That's the first thing. Once this is done the institution of marriage will be strengthened by society as a whole. Get rid of no-fault divorces, instead, make sure people go to marriage counseling before they get a marriage license. Why not help the young couple before they get married? Marriage should be for life! Counsel people about this before they get married so that they know the committment they are getting into.

Revamp the welfare state, don't reward single mom's with more money by having more kids. Instead, encourage the fathers to stay in the marriage. I'd rather give a married couple financial assistance for their kids than a single parent home. The chances for that family to get off of welfare are much better with a mother and a father. Give a married couple with kids financial assistence for things like college, I'd have no problem giving an inner city, at risk African American couple free college tuition for their kids. All they have to do is make sure their kids stay in school and can pass the entrance exams.

Then of course, tax breaks and financial assitance for all married couples with kids. If they have problems and they are thinking about divorce, give them access to cheap or even free counseling. If there's obvious abuse, of course, prosecute the perpetrator like an abusive father! But at the very least try to encourage and support the married couple before you let them push the eject button.

There's all sorts of things that can be done to strengthen traditional marriage and to keep fathers at home and active in their kid's lives.
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h, no. How would banning gay marriage make men with kids more responsible?
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Lol. Liberalism is a religion where the central tenet is the abolition of personal responsibility.
So how come you conservatives won't own up to the total ****job your most recent President perpetrated on the American people?
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Welfare critics point to a steady decline in family unity since the explosion of the mid-í60s. Itís no coincidence the two are happening at the same time, they say...
Good effort, Doc. But, the intention of welfare wasn't to marginalize the role of the father. So you're being more than a little disingenuous with your implication that the intent of liberals and progressives was to do so.

Further, are you aware that welfare rolls have been greatly reduced by the reforms started under Presdent Clinton? Why didn't this result in a corresponding decrease in single mother households?
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Good effort, Doc. But, the intention of welfare wasn't to marginalize the role of the father. So you're being more than a little disingenuous with your implication that the intent of liberals and progressives was to do so.

Further, are you aware that welfare rolls have been greatly reduced by the reforms started under Presdent Clinton? Why didn't this result in a corresponding decrease in single mother households?
Didn't say it was the intention. It's an unintended (at least initially) consequence. And welfare is only one of several contributing causes, but the general theme is a culture that embraces the systematic abolition of personal responsibility.
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Didn't say it was the intention. It's an unintended (at least initially) consequence. And welfare is only one of several contributing causes, but the general theme is a culture that embraces the systematic abolition of personal responsibility.
Republicans, as you are, are some of the most irresponsible folks around.

You won't even own what Bush did to this country (and Iraq, Afghanistan, and others) - so your lectures about responsibility reek of crass hypocrisy.
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Doc seems to always talk about fatherless black society. Sup with that? U mad?
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Republicans, as you are, are some of the most irresponsible folks around.

You won't even own what Bush did to this country (and Iraq, Afghanistan, and others) - so your lectures about responsibility reek of crass hypocrisy.
The old liberal deflection, when you are intellectually beaten down ........
Blame Bush.
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The old liberal deflection, when you are intellectually beaten down ........
Blame Bush.
And if it doesn't work the first time, keep repeating it.
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W*GS, you are knee deep in a right-wing bukkake party. Wear your mask. Tread carefully.
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The old liberal deflection, when you are intellectually beaten down ........
Blame Bush.
Ever fix a badly clogged toilet? All it takes is a minute or two of a big dump that can take hours to fix.

Same thing with Bush. He and his policies took a major **** on this country (and the world, too), and that ****up can't be fixed easily or quickly. Add in the fact that your GOP is still ****ting on us, and the plumbing is really ****ed.
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W*GS, you are knee deep in a right-wing bukkake party. Wear your mask. Tread carefully.
Oh, I know that - blaming blacks attracts right-wingers. They love to disown their role.
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He doesn't realize as the govt kicked god out of schools satan kicked morality out of peoples hearts.
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The Bush screwed everything up not working on people who know better. Bush got screwed by 9-11, Katrina, and the liberals housing mess coming home to roost under his watch.
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The Bush screwed everything up not working on people who know better. Bush got screwed by 9-11, Katrina, and the liberals housing mess coming home to roost under his watch.
Remember, Bush screwed us.

Bush is hardly an innocent victim of events beyond his control. Get off the weep for Bush act, cut. It's bull**** and you ought to know better.
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The Bush screwed everything up not working on people who know better. Bush got screwed by 9-11, Katrina, and the liberals housing mess coming home to roost under his watch.
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The old liberal deflection, when you are intellectually beaten down ........
Blame Bush.
Change the subject when your beaten like a rented mule. First lesson in Far left loon 101, in most colleges today.
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