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Old 02-11-2013, 07:35 PM   #26
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For whatever it's worth, I caught up with an old TV news friend over the holidays, he's been at WTAE in Pittsburgh for a long time. He was at Shanksville midday on 9/11, one of the very first on the scene. He says no way, absolutely no way did a plane crash at that site. Thing is, he's not the type to believe in conspiracies, he's not even a truther. Just says no way, wasn't a plane there.
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For whatever it's worth, I caught up with an old TV news friend over the holidays, he's been at WTAE in Pittsburgh for a long time. He was at Shanksville midday on 9/11, one of the very first on the scene. He says no way, absolutely no way did a plane crash at that site. Thing is, he's not the type to believe in conspiracies, he's not even a truther. Just says no way, wasn't a plane there.
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You dumb dumb ****ing geriatric Roh, you just said:

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Contrary to what you think about the CIA, they would not whack two kids and a dog.
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This thread is full of false equivalencies. The CIA doesn't have any reason to kill any 911 truther. The entire cult has been discredited. Why bother?
You're a moron, dont know your head from your a-hole.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:28 AM   #30
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You dumb dumb ****ing geriatric Roh, you just said:



Then, you come back with this gem:



You're a moron, dont know your head from your a-hole.
Like I said, the only reason you come here is to launch hostile, out-of-control, borderline psycho rants from the Libertarian cultist perspective. I just hope you're posting from an institution, because that's where you belong.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:09 AM   #31
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Like I said, the only reason you come here is to launch hostile, out-of-control, borderline psycho rants from the Libertarian cultist perspective. I just hope you're posting from an institution, because that's where you belong.
You talk out of both sides of your face all over this forum, like most of the socialists/marxists on this board. I can happily post multiple examples if you like?

You're very similar to W*gs, where he has been shown to be both a socialist and a neo-con, you tend to filp flop over issues. Such as the bailout, where the **** did you think all that money was going? You were for it now your against it? Or in 08 when you said Ron Paul was a good guy, now you just bash. Oh noes, the draconian cuts that will be forced upon me so future generations have a dollar worth value....Well guess what, we're in a **** hole now cause you bought the bull****, you drank the government koolaid just like the Bush boys you and LABF used to bash around here. Only difference, you want to put this country in more debt then they did, that seems to be working well.

I'm sure you honestly don't know much about Keynesian theory, I'm positive you don't know **** about Austrian theory.

I'm sorry it upsets you when I call out your bull****, the lack of political knowledge, and throw in a dig here and there. You tend to be an a-hole, I can be a bigger a-hole, sorry it hurts your feelings.
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...and BTW, I have no clue if the CIA was involved or not, just wanted to call out your bull**** Roh.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:06 PM   #34
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You're very similar to W*gs, where he has been shown to be both a socialist and a neo-con, you tend to filp flop over issues.
I change my views when the facts dictate that I do so.

What do you do?

**** the facts and stick to your opinions regardless?
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^^ I'm curious about that too. What would make a conspiracy theorist change their views? How do you determine which conspiracy is the correct one? Is there a major event in recent history that wasn't a conspiracy?
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You talk out of both sides of your face all over this forum, like most of the socialists/marxists on this board. I can happily post multiple examples if you like?

You're very similar to W*gs, where he has been shown to be both a socialist and a neo-con, you tend to filp flop over issues. Such as the bailout, where the **** did you think all that money was going? You were for it now your against it? Or in 08 when you said Ron Paul was a good guy, now you just bash. Oh noes, the draconian cuts that will be forced upon me so future generations have a dollar worth value....Well guess what, we're in a **** hole now cause you bought the bull****, you drank the government koolaid just like the Bush boys you and LABF used to bash around here. Only difference, you want to put this country in more debt then they did, that seems to be working well.

I'm sure you honestly don't know much about Keynesian theory, I'm positive you don't know **** about Austrian theory.

I'm sorry it upsets you when I call out your bull****, the lack of political knowledge, and throw in a dig here and there. You tend to be an a-hole, I can be a bigger a-hole, sorry it hurts your feelings.
I have no doubt that a rigid ideologue and dogmatist like you does indeed see open discussion in this light. My goal is to live by the Socratic method: Gnothi Seauton. Know yourself before you try to understand the obscure things of the world. I hate to break it to you, but there is no one economic model that fits all exigencies. You must use what is right as the times demand. Ideological purity is the pursuit of fools because chaos is part of the universal model (and nobody includes chaos in their utopias).

America has traded in a community based economic paradigm for one that is individualistic and greed based. The results speak for themselves (and always have, every time a society goes there). Since I'm not concerned with holding up an ideology, I have nothing to defend. Obviously, you do. Your ideological ship is on the rocks and you can only panic and scream. I have one piece of advice: Abandon ship!

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Old 02-12-2013, 05:57 PM   #37
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If the dog was barking and an agent needed it to stop you don't think he/she would kill a dog, or even a child in order to carry out the mission or survive?

The CIA kills kids all the time with drone strikes.
Sure -- outside the US.

But here -- in the US where they cannot legally operate -- they use freelancers or mobsters.
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For whatever it's worth, I caught up with an old TV news friend over the holidays, he's been at WTAE in Pittsburgh for a long time. He was at Shanksville midday on 9/11, one of the very first on the scene. He says no way, absolutely no way did a plane crash at that site. Thing is, he's not the type to believe in conspiracies, he's not even a truther. Just says no way, wasn't a plane there.
I went to Shanksville and interviewed a farmer who lives a quarter mile from the crash site. His name is Neville Lambert.

He was shoveling coal in his yard that morning. He heard a roar -- looked up -- and saw UAL 93 crash --

He was still traumatized by the experience 10 years later.

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^^ I'm curious about that too. What would make a conspiracy theorist change their views? How do you determine which conspiracy is the correct one? Is there a major event in recent history that wasn't a conspiracy?
You study. You read. You think. You dig for the truth.

You don't stop until you find it.
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Wayne Madsen: 9/11 author was killed in black ops hit

Former NSA officer Wayne Madsen spent a week sniffing around the site of the reportedly "suicided" pilot Phillip Marshall, and filed this report.

Folks, this is a no brainer. If Marshall did the deed, why did his computer mysteriously vanish?

BTW, Madsen is author of a new book about Obama.
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While you are at it -- check out Madsen's new book about Obama:
THE MANUFACTURING OF A PRESIDENT
http://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-...s=Wayne+Madsen
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:20 PM   #42
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How did Hale-Bopp survive the energy put it into it due to its gain in mass, gaffe?

Where's your math?

If you've done it, please point me to it.

Thanks!
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Kevin Barrett interviews Wayne Madsen about the murder of former CIA pilot Phillip Marshall:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/57581

Also -- here is another Kevin Barrett interview with Madsen. In this one Madsen talks about his new book, THE MANUFACTURING OF A PRESIDENT. Fast forward to the second hour. In the first hour MhGaffney talks about BLACK 9/11.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/...32k-070212.mp3
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Moderator -- where are you?

Please do your job and tell the local spammer W*Gs to stay on message -- or get the **** out of here.

Just do your job, please.
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Marshall's new book THE BIG BAMBOOZLE is an overnight best seller.

Here is the book description at Amazon:

Publication Date: February 9, 2012

From the perspective of a Boeing 767 captain and former "special activities" contract pilot, Philip Marshall straps the reader into the cockpits of hijacked commercial airliners to tell the story of the most sophisticated terrorist attack in history.

Based on a comprehensive ten-year study into the murders of his fellow pilots on 9/11, he explains how hijackers, novice pilots at the controls of massive guided missiles, were able to beat United States Air Force fighters to iconic targets with advanced maneuvering, daring speeds and a kamikaze finish. But, as Marshall explains, the tactical plan was so precise that it rules out car-bombers and shoe-bombers known as al Qaeda, KSM and Osama bin Laden. So then, who was it? That's what you are about learn.

Backed by official NTSB, FAA and black box recordings, Marshall finds the most capable and most documented group of conspirators buried deep within a Congressional Inquiry's report and retraces their work in gripping detail. Fasten your seatbelt--- the sad truth is that all of the solid evidence points to a dark collaboration between members of the Bush Administration and a covert group of Saudi government officials.

This is a game changer that will finally set the record straight on the most horrific crime in US history. This book is a compilation of official reports that disputes the Bush Administration, the Bush Intelligence Community and the American media's account of the 9/11 attack. United States Senator Bob Graham's Congressional Joint Inquiry in 2002 revealed that Saudi Arabian Intelligence agents met the 9/11 hijackers in the Los Angeles in January of 2000, harbored them and led them to 18 months of flight training in Florida and Arizona.

Marshall follows reports from FBI field agents that warned George W. Bush's Administration that a "cadre of individuals of investigative interest were engaged in flight training" in the Arizona desert in the spring of 2001. Marshall identifies three top federal investigators who complained that Dick Cheney obstructed justice by refusing access to suspects who supposedly confessed to the greatest crime in U.S. history.

None of the federal investigators were ever allowed to verify the confession of Khalid Sheik Mohammed who had been water boarded over 180 times at Guantanamo detention facility. The book disputes the video and media confession of Osama bin Laden and points out that none of the accusations by the Bush Administration could be proved.

Marshall asserts that the Saudi government was the true executioners of the 9/11 attack and framed their enemies while CIA special operations set up an elaborate decoy named Osama bin Laden to divert attention away from the Saudi operation.

He follows the hijackers to flight training airports and finds that Saudi agents led the hijackers to the Arizona desert where Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 airliners were parked at a secluded CIA operated airport. The operators of the CIA airport were traced to suspicious insider stock trades on two airlines, United Airlines and American Airlines, the only two airlines used in the 9/11 attack.

Marshall breaks down the tactical flight plan that was used by the hijackers and chronicles the actions of Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Dick Cheney and George W. Bsuh to learn that their account of the attack was severely flawed. Three top investigators wrote that Dick Cheney had obstructed the investigation and redacted the involvement of the Saudi government agents who were employed in California by the Saudi Civil Aviation authority.

The Congressional Inquiry reported that the Saudi agents had "seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia" and had traced the hijacker financial support to Prince Bandar through a Riggs Bank account. Finally Marshall chronicles the media trial that allowed Bush and Cheney to derail American Justice by trying the 9/11 case with media propaganda and away from the American federal court system.


Here is the author's description posted at Amazon:


Philip Marshall, a veteran airline captain and former government "special activities" contract pilot, has authored three books on Top Secret America, a group presently conducting business as the United States Intelligence Community.

Beginning with his role in the 1980s as a Learjet captain first as part of a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) sting on Pablo Escobar, and later in the covert arming of the Nicaraguan Contras, Marshall has studied and written 30-years worth of covert government special activities and the revolving door of Wall Street tricksters, media moguls, and their well funded politicians.

Marshall is the leading aviation expert on the September 11th attack, as well as a masterful storyteller. The Big Bamboozle (2012) is his second work to focus on the flight training and preparation of 9/11 hijackers' after False Flag 911 was published in 2008. His first book, Lakefront Airport (2003) was a novel based on his experience as a government contract pilot during the Iran-Contra operation.

Philip Marshall began his 20-year career as an airline pilot in 1985, flying first with Eastern Airlines and then with United. He holds captain ratings on the Boeing 727, 737, 747, 757 and 767. Born and raised in New Orleans, Marshall currently resides in California.

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Still, with a bit of training anyone can fly those jets. Not a bunch of top secret training at hidden airbases in arizona.
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Still, with a bit of training anyone can fly those jets. Not a bunch of top secret training at hidden airbases in arizona.
Oh really? Who told you this?

Here are photos of the cockpit of a 757 - and a 767.
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Oh really? Who told you this?

Here are photos of the cockpit of a 757 - and a 767.


1. I went to school to become a pilot- ended up starting my own business instead, I know what it takes to fly those jets. Yes, I have logged many flight hours in actual planes and over 200 hours in sims on the DC-10- Boeing 747, A stretch320, and B767.

2. Three of my employees have direct links to UA and Delta? Pilots. One is married to a 747-400 captain and checkpoint. Anothers father is the Co pilot on the 747 and the last one is 777 pilot or co pilot (im not sure-) I think he is with delta

3. I had asked the two of them a week or two ago when this thread first surfaced how hard it would be for someone like myself (with just a bit of training) to take a mid flight jet and fly it into the building. I am not going to tell you what they said but take a guess regarding my stance on the subject.
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1. I went to school to become a pilot- ended up starting my own business instead, I know what it takes to fly those jets. Yes, I have logged many flight hours in actual planes and over 200 hours in sims on the DC-10- Boeing 747, A stretch320, and B767.

2. Three of my employees have direct links to UA and Delta? Pilots. One is married to a 747-400 captain and checkpoint. Anothers father is the Co pilot on the 747 and the last one is 777 pilot or co pilot (im not sure-) I think he is with delta

3. I had asked the two of them a week or two ago when this thread first surfaced how hard it would be for someone like myself (with just a bit of training) to take a mid flight jet and fly it into the building. I am not going to tell you what they said but take a guess regarding my stance on the subject.
You need to go back and ask them again. A low speed impact might have been possible for an amateur.

But the impacts on 9/11 were at ~500 mph -- very high speed -- impossible for an amateur pilot.
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You need to go back and ask them again. A low speed impact might have been possible for an amateur.

But the impacts on 9/11 were at ~500 mph -- very high speed -- impossible for an amateur pilot.


Why do you say that?

I will ask them again next time I see them. One is out of town to Australia. The other might come in tomorrow and bring coffee. If so I shall report.
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