Guns aren't the only issue.

[myMind]

A sad, sad story. I've read many articles about this man, saw him give a great interview on Conan. He just wanted to help veterans like himself deal with re-entry into civilian life, and this is what he got...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/us...lled.html?_r=0

What The ****?

[orinjkrush]

PTSD is going to go epidemic in its effects over the next 20 years. we have screwed a whole generation of veterans, breaking them with multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan for no g*dd*mn good reason. just pathetic. and the p***Y politicians will make THEM out to be domestic terrorists in the end.

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

PTSD is going to go epidemic in its effects over the next 20 years. we have screwed a whole generation of veterans, breaking them with multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan for no g*dd*mn good reason. just pathetic. and the p***Y politicians will make THEM out to be domestic terrorists in the end.

The problem goes much deeper than that, I believe. I think many of those (not all) with PTSD had problems in the first place. Just imagine the kind of people who would sign up for the infantry when wars like Iraq and Afghanistan are being fought. It's really a chicken and egg situation. Then you take the stresses of a military life and you put it on someone who might not've been the most stable to begin with and you have a burden they may not be able to handle.

The problem is with Americans as a whole. PTSD and the effects of the wars are the convenient scapegoat.

My opinion, of course.

[orinjkrush]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

The problem goes much deeper than that, I believe. I think many of those (not all) with PTSD had problems in the first place. Just imagine the kind of people who would sign up for the infantry when wars like Iraq and Afghanistan are being fought. It's really a chicken and egg situation. Then you take the stresses of a military life and you put it on someone who might not've been the most stable to begin with and you have a burden they may not be able to handle.

The problem is with Americans as a whole. PTSD and the effects of the wars are the convenient scapegoat.

My opinion, of course.

interesting observations. thumbsup

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

PTSD is going to go epidemic in its effects over the next 20 years. we have screwed a whole generation of veterans, breaking them with multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan for no g*dd*mn good reason. just pathetic. and the p***Y politicians will make THEM out to be domestic terrorists in the end.

They signed on voluntarily for this service. Take that into consideration before going off and acting as if there is some evil plot to "break them" here.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

It's really a chicken and egg situation. Then you take the stresses of a military life and you put it on someone who might not've been the most stable to begin with and you have a burden they may not be able to handle.

The problem is with Americans as a whole. PTSD and the effects of the wars are the convenient scapegoat.

Things like personal temperament, coping skills, and attitude always affect these types of things. I can't figure out why you're blaming Americans as a whole.

[orinjkrush]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

They signed on voluntarily for this service. Take that into consideration before going off and acting as if there is some evil plot to "break them" here.

you miss the point. the plot wasn't to break them, it was to engage in stupid, unwinnable, inconsequential foreign adventures that used them up as canon fodder.

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Things like personal temperament, coping skills, and attitude always affect these types of things. I can't figure out why you're blaming Americans as a whole.

Americans (even those who have never been a part of war) are going on murdering rampages way too often these days. When you start with such an unstable foundation, how can you claim any particular effects to be the impact of war?

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

you miss the point. the plot wasn't to break them, it was to engage in stupid, unwinnable, inconsequential foreign adventures that used them up as canon fodder.

I don't miss the point. I've seen many people treat volunteer soldiers as if they were kidnapped off the streets in some conscription scheme and terrorized thereafter.

Anything beyond that is your subjective opinion.

[orinjkrush]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

I don't miss the point. I've seen many people treat volunteer soldiers as if they were kidnapped off the streets in some conscription scheme and terrorized thereafter.

Anything beyond that is your subjective opinion.

you clearly have never served. and you are entitled to your opinion also.

[cutthemdown]

Didn't the guy who was shot have his own line of assault rifles through some gun manufacturer?

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

you clearly have never served. and you are entitled to your opinion also.

This is raising the bar.

I'm a woman and never served. What does this have to do with my points here?

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

Americans (even those who have never been a part of war) are going on murdering rampages way too often these days. When you start with such an unstable foundation, how can you claim any particular effects to be the impact of war?

This is based on media hype and little (to nothing) else.

You're tying in two things without a reason for why we should think the two are tied in. You're also - and most disturbingly - treating the actions of rare individuals who are nearly universally mentally ill as a reflection of society, or in other words, society's fault.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

I'm a woman [...]

You're a woman like a fish is a bicycle.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by W*GS

You're a woman like a fish is a bicycle.

I think you're taking forum disagreements a bit too far, don't you? Making such insulting personal insinuations about people for no other reason than you don't like what they say?

Is this another shining example of liberal tolerance?

Yes, I think it is.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

I think you're taking forum disagreements a bit too far, don't you? Making such insulting personal insinuations about people for no other reason than you don't like what they say?

You're just a lame troll, that's all.

And a very poor liar.

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Is this another shining example of liberal tolerance?

Yes, I think it is.

Are you another shining example of conservative bull****tery? Yes, you are.

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

This is based on media hype and little (to nothing) else.

You're tying in two things without a reason for why we should think the two are tied in. You're also - and most disturbingly - treating the actions of rare individuals who are nearly universally mentally ill as a reflection of society, or in other words, society's fault.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing here.