Elvis Dumervil - What do the Broncos do with him? - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

MagicHef · 02-05-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Why should this year be any different?

Very true. Also, both our HC and DC have histories of not using resources on DT.

Traveler · 02-05-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Bannan made $1 million last season. If we're going to spend more to replace him with Knighton (who looks to be about even with Vickerson, talent wise), I'd much rather forget Knighton and spend a few extra million for Melton, even if that meant he was the only change we made to the DL.

I think you might be disappointed with the attention that gets shown to DT this offseason. I don't think it will be a priority.

What about the kid from Detroit? Sammie Lee Hill is also a FA. He could start for most NFL teams. Much better than Knighton or Melton IMO.

I just want the team to be able to generate pressure both inside and out. We are set on the outside with Dumervil & Miller. Wolfe has shown he can get pressure inside, but still gets pushed around a liitle in the run game. We need a DT that can do both.

Who is the best DT in this years draft? One that is both stout against the run and has shown he can also generate sacks from the interior.

phibacka31 · 02-05-2013, 08:06 AM

Getting rid of Doom makes zero sense... Another great plan by the mane... I would agree that getting another DL would be great for depth and pass rushing! I'm still holding out hope that Irving comes through. He did look better in his very limited action. I would be all for getting another stud pass rushing DE someone like Datone Jones would be A OK in my book. Or someone like William Gholston later in the draft.

Bmore Manning · 02-05-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Very true. Also, both our HC and DC have histories of not using resources on DT.

I will probably be disappointed. I think it's a position that needs upgrading.. This is difficult, I like Wolfes roll at DE but I think he could be effective at DT..

Bmore Manning · 02-05-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Traveler

What about the kid from Detroit? Sammie Lee Hill is also a FA. He could start for most NFL teams. Much better than Knighton or Melton IMO.

I just want the team to be able to generate pressure both inside and out. We are set on the outside with Dumervil & Miller. Wolfe has shown he can get pressure inside, but still gets pushed around a liitle in the run game. We need a DT that can do both.

Who is the best DT in this years draft? One that is both stout against the run and has shown he can also generate sacks from the interior.

Hill is not much better than Melton or Knighton..

MagicHef · 02-05-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Traveler

What about the kid from Detroit? Sammie Lee Hill is also a FA. He could start for most NFL teams. Much better than Knighton or Melton IMO.

I just want the team to be able to generate pressure both inside and out. We are set on the outside with Dumervil & Miller. Wolfe has shown he can get pressure inside, but still gets pushed around a liitle in the run game. We need a DT that can do both.

Who is the best DT in this years draft? One that is both stout against the run and has shown he can also generate sacks from the interior.

Wolfe was a rookie, of course he got pushed around. I wouldn't be surprised if he played inside more, and Hunter/Ayers/Jackson played at DE.

If you are looking for a DT that can provide pressure and stay stout against the run, that's Melton.

TheReverend · 02-05-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmore Manning

Hill is not much better than Melton or Knighton..

WTF...

Hill isn't CLOSE to Knighton's class and not even worthy to breath the same air as Melton.

Bmore Manning · 02-05-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

WTF...

Hill isn't CLOSE to Knighton's class and not even worthy to breath the same air as Melton.

I was trying to be nice to Traveler. He said Samie Lee Hill was much better than both of them.. I think it came of like I was agreeing? But deff wasn't.

Houshyamama · 02-05-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by g6matty

cut him and trade for revis

DENVERDUI55 · 02-05-2013, 09:51 AM

This is just a made up scenerio but if involving Doom in a trade for Revis and then sign Paul Kruger I would be all for that.

Heyneck · 02-05-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

This is just a made up scenerio but if involving Doom in a trade for Revis and then sign Paul Kruger I would be all for that.

Dumb like a blonde. Getting Revis to a long term contract would cost us way more than paying Doom his worth. That Dude is looking to get paid like the top DEF player in the history of the game. You want to pony up another 100 mill contract? or say something close to a 4 year 60 mill contract? Plus the 5-6 mill per year that Kruger will get?

Not worth it. Keep building around our great pass rush. If you have such a big hard on for Revis, we could always dangle our 1st pick and see what else they are asking for. But in no way trade Doom for Revis. We aren't guaranteed at landing the top FA's DE in the market unless we overpay for them. That would mean over paying for Revis and the DE that would come in and replace Doom.

MagicHef · 02-05-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

WTF...

Hill isn't CLOSE to Knighton's class and not even worthy to breath the same air as Melton.

What do you think of Desmond Bryant?

DENVERDUI55 · 02-05-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck

You want to pony up another 100 mill contract? or say something close to a 4 year 60 mill contract? Plus the 5-6 mill per year that Kruger will get?
.

Kruger at 5-6 million would be as steal.

TonyR · 02-05-2013, 12:07 PM

Detailed post on Doom's contract:

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...-is-a-good-one

Bmore Manning · 02-05-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

What do you think of Desmond Bryant?

I think they make him a priority, he's arguably the best DT on the roster. Kelly and Seymour will probably both be gone.

DBroncos4life · 02-05-2013, 12:39 PM

Something to think about moving forward is 3 teams will be switching to the 3-4..Eagles, Saints, and Bronws and one is going to the 4-3 the Cowboys. That changes how they draft and what they do in free agency.

lonestar · 02-05-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Less interesting in move Dumervil, then getting him some help to spot him during games. I though the last couple of years he has worn down toward the end of the season and would benefit from someone playing 10 to 15 snaps for him early in the season to keep him fresh.

No offense but frankly you do not pay a guy that kind of money to take plays off.

While I'm all for getting him help on the DL other than natural rotation of the guys, spelling him to save him from wearing down late in the season pleeeeeeease

lonestar · 02-05-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Less interesting in move Dumervil, then getting him some help to spot him during games. I though the last couple of years he has worn down toward the end of the season and would benefit from someone playing 10 to 15 snaps for him early in the season to keep him fresh.

No offense but frankly you do not pay a guy that kind of money to take plays off.

While I'm all for getting him help on the DL other than natural rotation of the guys, spelling him to save him from wearing down late in the season pleeeeeeease

BMarsh615 · 02-05-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

2011 & 2012 were the high points of his contract, salary wise. He gets cheaper every year from now on. Also, he is one of the 10 best passrushers in the league (or at least was this season).

Keep him.

I agree we should keep him but Denver still has to pay him $30M over the next three years, $12M this year, $10M next year and $8M in 2015.

Jetmeck · 02-05-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

10 + sacks and a bunch of forced FF.... Im going to say hell no, he is invaluable as a pass rusher, you dont give those kinds of guys away.

but it does deserve a discussion for offseason pruposes..

aCTUALLY this a well deserved discussion.

He is our best pass rushing lineman and he can't get it done regularly and last few games not even when it counted the most.

He needs some d- line help..................

Agamemnon · 02-05-2013, 03:37 PM

The very existence of this thread is proof that humanity is too stupid to live...

Bacchus · 02-05-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The very existence of this thread is proof that humanity is too stupid to live...

I so agree, in no way, no matter how you look at it Denver does not get better by cutting Doom.

TheReverend · 02-05-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

What do you think of Desmond Bryant?

I like him, but I don't think it'd be much of an upgrade over our current depth and youth tends to cost more.

To put it another way: He's never been a guy I've worried about Denver game planning against, and he'd be a nice addition, but nothing I'd be really excited about.

MagicHef · 02-05-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BMarsh615

I agree we should keep him but Denver still has to pay him $30M over the next three years, $12M this year, $10M next year and $8M in 2015.

... and?

Minnesota has to pay Allen $32 million over the next two years.

KC has to pay Hali $39 million over the next three years.

Dallas has to pay Ware $43 million over the next three years.

ThirtyDegrees · 02-05-2013, 05:18 PM

Elite 4-3 weakside rushers are among the hardest players to find in football.

Getting rid of Dumervil would be one of the dumbest moves this team has ever made.

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02-05-2013, 08:06 AM	#78
phibacka31 Perennial Pro-bowler Nasty Nate Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester, IA Posts: 985 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	Getting rid of Doom makes zero sense... Another great plan by the mane... I would agree that getting another DL would be great for depth and pass rushing! I'm still holding out hope that Irving comes through. He did look better in his very limited action. I would be all for getting another stud pass rushing DE someone like Datone Jones would be A OK in my book. Or someone like William Gholston later in the draft.

02-05-2013, 09:51 AM	#85
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,179 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	This is just a made up scenerio but if involving Doom in a trade for Revis and then sign Paul Kruger I would be all for that.

02-05-2013, 12:07 PM	#89
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,584	Detailed post on Doom's contract: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...-is-a-good-one

02-05-2013, 12:39 PM	#91
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,588	Something to think about moving forward is 3 teams will be switching to the 3-4..Eagles, Saints, and Bronws and one is going to the 4-3 the Cowboys. That changes how they draft and what they do in free agency.

02-05-2013, 03:37 PM	#96
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10,454 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The very existence of this thread is proof that humanity is too stupid to live...

02-05-2013, 05:18 PM	#100
ThirtyDegrees Solid Starter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Northern Connecticut Posts: 195 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Elite 4-3 weakside rushers are among the hardest players to find in football. Getting rid of Dumervil would be one of the dumbest moves this team has ever made.