2012-2013 General NHL Hockey Thread

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

I agree. OSU football and basketball doesn't play all the time and there are also people that don't give a **** about OSU but live there. LA has Dodgers/Angels and Lakers (and now the damn Clippers) and hockey has done well especially if there is a winning product. Of course LA/OC is much bigger area but Columbus doesn't have much for pro teams so here is there chance to jump on a local bandwagon.

Ohio is pretty saturated with sports, there are 5 NFL teams within about 150 miles of Columbus (Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis and Pittsburgh), 3 NBA teams (Indiana, Detroit and Cleveland), Detroit and Pittsburgh have two of the most successful NHL teams in recent history, on top of that you have college sports (OSU and half the of MAC conference in state). Columbus is only the 3rd largest metro area in the state and lacks the ability to generate state-wide draw.

The only time the Blue jackets are not competing with OSU is after March madness but by then the playoffs are rolling around and the hockey players hit the golf course. It is a shame because it is not a bad arena they play in.

[Tombstone RJ]

What's the deal with Sacco and the Avs, what's the overall feeling from some of you who watch the Avs a lot more than me? Is the team just cheap? Is Sacco a good coach or is he more the problem? Who is the GM, who is bringing these guys in and why is the GM not retaining talent?

Everytime I watch the Avs they are losing. I don't know any of the players because there seems to be a lot of roster turnover. The Avs are always trading with other teams but it never seems to make the team better.

I think Sacco should be fired IMHO.

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

What's the deal with Sacco and the Avs, what's the overall feeling from some of you who watch the Avs a lot more than me? Is the team just cheap? Is Sacco a good coach or is he more the problem? Who is the GM, who is bringing these guys in and why is the GM not retaining talent?

Everytime I watch the Avs they are losing. I don't know any of the players because there seems to be a lot of roster turnover. The Avs are always trading with other teams but it never seems to make the team better.

I think Sacco should be fired IMHO.

I see a team that works hard for the most part, but they lack talent. Too many grinders and not enough skill.

They had a shot at Kovalchuk but didn't want to pay up. Although, not sure he would be doing as well he is doing in NJ. Devils are a more structured organization and you must conform.

Avalanche are not quite there yet in terms of rebuilt culture/organization structure.

[RedskinBronco]

still believe Gillis and Mcphee are up to something, they completely collaborated on that "phone call" where Gillis called mcphee to apologize for creating attention by being there.

Both are desperate GMs wanting to save their jobs. The caps are not going anywhere without changes and the Canucks are not the same dominant team of years past. I think a big trade is coming, it may involve luongo or it may not...

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by 24champ

I would disagree.

If Columbus can get going and be successful in the WIN column, it can be a good hockey city. They have a nice arena and its surrounding area called the "Arena District" is pretty nice. It's a good sports town, like new franchise, the Blue Jackets need to start winning for hockey to catch on there.

Look, I just wanted to hate on Ohio. I also hate on New Jersey.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Look, I just wanted to hate on Ohio. I also hate on New Jersey.

Hate away.

[Lestat]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

What's the deal with Sacco and the Avs, what's the overall feeling from some of you who watch the Avs a lot more than me? Is the team just cheap? Is Sacco a good coach or is he more the problem? Who is the GM, who is bringing these guys in and why is the GM not retaining talent?

Everytime I watch the Avs they are losing. I don't know any of the players because there seems to be a lot of roster turnover. The Avs are always trading with other teams but it never seems to make the team better.

I think Sacco should be fired IMHO.

for some reason the Avs organization seems to love him.
the team is just piss poor on offense, the dump and chase hockey is done way too much. they're like a soccer team that can't run set pieces nor organize a consistent offensive cohesion.

he's been coaching this team for far too long for them to consistently look like a confused team. the only time they look creative on offense is when Duchene and Stastny are flying around and charging the net.
everyy other time they dump the puck in and try to swing it around instead of setting up some nice plays to get pressure.

he needs to go and if the Kroenke's don't want to poor more money into the team and be more aggressive in building then they need to go too.

the Avs fell so in love with signing big time FA's that they don't know how to truly build a franchise and they keep missing in the draft due to injuries(Hishon),lack of maturity(Siemens) or just going way too safe and focusing on one hockey league to scout and draft talent from.

[Baba Booey]

Thanks for playing, Rangers.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Lestat

for some reason the Avs organization seems to love him.
the team is just piss poor on offense, the dump and chase hockey is done way too much. they're like a soccer team that can't run set pieces nor organize a consistent offensive cohesion.

he's been coaching this team for far too long for them to consistently look like a confused team. the only time they look creative on offense is when Duchene and Stastny are flying around and charging the net.
everyy other time they dump the puck in and try to swing it around instead of setting up some nice plays to get pressure.

he needs to go and if the Kroenke's don't want to poor more money into the team and be more aggressive in building then they need to go too.

the Avs fell so in love with signing big time FA's that they don't know how to truly build a franchise and they keep missing in the draft due to injuries(Hishon),lack of maturity(Siemens) or just going way too safe and focusing on one hockey league to scout and draft talent from.

It looks to me like when Greg Sherman took over as GM things went to crap but I could be wrong. Pierre Lacroix was a great GM and now it looks like they got a young guy who doesn't have a clue. Add Joe Sacco to the mix and it just looks like the Avs are somewhat inept in either keeping young talent or trading for young talent or developing talent. Pierre Lacroix the the president of the team but it looks like he's not helping much.

Like I said, they are always trading someone but it never pans out. They seem to draft ok, but why don't the keep their talent? Why can't they find a goalie who's worth a crap? Why do the keep trading young goalies away like that Anderson kid?

[SoCalBronco]

Good to get another win tonight...unfortunately had to work late so I didn't see it. I still think we need to make some moves to really take it to another level.

[24champ]

Kings win 4-2 over the Blue Jackets. Mike Richards with a Gordie Howe hat trick and fought Dubinsky again. (They hated each other from their Phi-NYR days.) Also, Scuderi is a freaking warrior, his eye was damn near closed shut and still played in the game.

Edit: Pic of Scuds.

[RedskinBronco]

****ing fire Mcphee already, before he does some stupid **** to save his job

[maher_tyler]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

It looks to me like when Greg Sherman took over as GM things went to crap but I could be wrong. Pierre Lacroix was a great GM and now it looks like they got a young guy who doesn't have a clue. Add Joe Sacco to the mix and it just looks like the Avs are somewhat inept in either keeping young talent or trading for young talent or developing talent. Pierre Lacroix the the president of the team but it looks like he's not helping much.

Like I said, they are always trading someone but it never pans out. They seem to draft ok, but why don't the keep their talent? Why can't they find a goalie who's worth a crap? Why do the keep trading young goalies away like that Anderson kid?

When you only have one decent line and set of defensemen, its hard to play goalie. Hunwick, O'Bryne, O'Brien (Defensemen) belong in the AHL. All make at least one boneheaded mistake every game. Most nights we average 5-6 players that shouldn't be playing in an NHL game. I actually think Varlamov is a pretty good goalie. We seem to be riddled with injuries every year for the last 5-6 years going back to when Sakic put his hand in his snow blower. Depth is basically none existent and the front office seems to be content with missing the playoffs. They don't spend more than they have to. Some nights I think its Sacco, other nights I think its due to lack of talent. Last night we were missing O'Reilly (still not signed), Landeskog, Downie (out for season), Jones, and Wilson. Hard to win when 2 stars and 3 other regulars are out.

[Lestat]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

It looks to me like when Greg Sherman took over as GM things went to crap but I could be wrong. Pierre Lacroix was a great GM and now it looks like they got a young guy who doesn't have a clue. Add Joe Sacco to the mix and it just looks like the Avs are somewhat inept in either keeping young talent or trading for young talent or developing talent. Pierre Lacroix the the president of the team but it looks like he's not helping much.

Like I said, they are always trading someone but it never pans out. They seem to draft ok, but why don't the keep their talent? Why can't they find a goalie who's worth a crap? Why do the keep trading young goalies away like that Anderson kid?

no this problem started well before Sherman. they didn't know how to build a farm system in the last few years of Lacroix's reign as GM. then followed that up by hiring that moron Giguere and then let Quenville.
Sherman has brought in most of the talent that is currently on the team or in the system. Giguere was horrible as a GM and should never have gotten the job, the only reason he did was because he played for the franchise.

[chadta]

Originally Posted by 24champ

Kings win 4-2 over the Blue Jackets. Mike Richards with a Gordie Howe hat trick and fought Dubinsky again. (They hated each other from their Phi-NYR days.)

Its about time he won one now 1-4

[Baba Booey]

Shame Dubinsky was traded out of the Atlantic division.

1. He sucks
2. Ryan Carter can't knock him out anymore

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by Baba Booey

Shame Dubinsky was traded out of the Atlantic division.

1. He sucks
2. Ryan Carter can't knock him out anymore

Dubinsky is one of the biggest douches in the league. The guy thinks he's good lol.

[Baba Booey]

I remember when some Ranger fans used to say he was better than Zajac.

[Ray Finkle]

Dubs was good at one point but then bought into his own hype. That's when Cally surpassed him on the ice. I liked him but would trade him 100 out of 100 times for Nash.

[Baba Booey]

Callahan is great because he just plays. That's why he's a captain and that's why he's probably a lock for Team USA next year.

Dubinsky tried to mix it up after the whistle too much. He took too many pages out of Avery's book instead of focusing on the game.

[Ray Finkle]

Originally Posted by Baba Booey

Callahan is great because he just plays. That's why he's a captain and that's why he's probably a lock for Team USA next year.

Dubinsky tried to mix it up after the whistle too much. He took too many pages out of Avery's book instead of focusing on the game.

Dubs was similar to Cally in the minors and when they first came up (Dubs was Jagr's center a lot that year) BUT he got into his head he was the second coming of Graves and certain things fell off. Cally's one of the most low key Captains the Rangers have ever had. Making the team and becoming captain never effected him.

[socalorado]

Viktor Fasth shuts out COL for his 4th straight win, in his 4th start.
Dang, ANA is literally LOADED at Goalie. Havent even seen Deslauriers
and Gibson, who just won the U21 Nationals with Team USA.
Fasth keeps playing like this, and teams are gonna forget about Luongo
and come calling in ANA.

[Baba Booey]

Devils will take Gibson please and thank you

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by Baba Booey

Devils will take Gibson please and thank you

Ah, No. Gibson aint goin anywhere.
But you can inquire about the other 3 goalies and make ANA an offer.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by socalorado

Viktor Fasth shuts out COL for his 4th straight win, in his 4th start.
Dang, ANA is literally LOADED at Goalie. Havent even seen Deslauriers
and Gibson, who just won the U21 Nationals with Team USA.
Fasth keeps playing like this, and teams are gonna forget about Luongo
and come calling in ANA.

Nobody will talk seriously to Anaheim about goalies. Hiller is a vertigo attack away from missing an entire season, nobody looking for a hot goalie is going to take that chance - with a short season you can just sit back and wait for Fasth to become a UFA after the season. Deslauriers is utterly worthless, he can't even get on the ice in the AHL. Gibson is good but he is no Patterson or Binnington.