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Old 02-04-2013, 10:11 AM   #51
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I think all the talk about the "Fix" is complete and total BS. I can't think of one team Rodger would rather have in the SB other then Denver..... maybe the Pats. The NFC perennial contender would shuffle between the Packers, Cowboys, and Bears. I agree with Lang, there is no reason to fix the NFL, it is going to smoothly as is.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:15 AM   #52
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Hell, Rod Smith got ejected for ACCIDENTALLY smacking a ref in a scrum. This is pure bullcrap.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:16 AM   #53
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I think all the talk about the "Fix" is complete and total BS. I can't think of one team Rodger would rather have in the SB other then Denver..... maybe the Pats. The NFC perennial contender would shuffle between the Packers, Cowboys, and Bears. I agree with Lang, there is no reason to fix the NFL, it is going to smoothly as is.
It's not BS...See how matches were fixed in European soccer.
Soccer is more popular than NFL and yet they fix games.
As i said, betting dictates the sports world.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:46 AM   #54
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not sure what thread this should be in but 0 holding calls against Baltimore all postseason.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:03 AM   #55
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It's not BS...See how matches were fixed in European soccer.
Soccer is more popular than NFL and yet they fix games.
As i said, betting dictates the sports world.
which soccer games were fixed?
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When you come up with a reason as to why the NFL would risk credibility to serve Ray Lewis and Art Modell, then i'll listen. Because right now you're pointing at a few calls and creating a story around that while ignoring every other variable.
When you come up with a reason they wouldn't , I'll start listening.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:08 AM   #57
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which soccer games were fixed?
up to 680 including World Cup qualifiers and Euro Championship qualifiers
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I think all the talk about the "Fix" is complete and total BS. I can't think of one team Rodger would rather have in the SB other then Denver..... maybe the Pats. The NFC perennial contender would shuffle between the Packers, Cowboys, and Bears. I agree with Lang, there is no reason to fix the NFL, it is going to smoothly as is.
You don't think either of the New York teams would be the choice?
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:13 AM   #59
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When you come up with a reason they wouldn't , I'll start listening.
Here's the main one:

The NFL is the most popular form of entertainment in America. It's not close. All their games rate incredibly well, and the super bowl is a holiday regardless of who is in it. Hell, even markets dont matter to the NFL, Green Bay does just fine and its a tiny town.

So why would the NFL EVER EVER risk credibility to push a storyline that would do absolutely nothing in regards to the popularity of the sport? And, if they did do such things (which would be asinine), why would pushing a Ray Lewis story be the way to go? You really think that was the best storyline of all possible storylines?

How does that make ANY sense to you? This is hardly some fledgling league looking for publicity stunts.
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You don't think either of the New York teams would be the choice?
Yes to the Giants, I forgot about them. Jets, not so much.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:17 AM   #61
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There were 2 holding non calls on the 9ers 4th down play according to Mangini and he showed them in detail
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:32 AM   #62
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If there is no fix in then instead of coming out and making fools of themselves by trying to justify these calls or non calls they need to have someone, that is not affliated with the referees, look at them. Then the NFL needs to lay down the law, the refs got what they wanted in the strike, better do better than this to remain in the NFL. I don't believe the refs decisions were the reason that the Broncos lost (they did quite well by themselves) or the 49ers but you have to wonder what might have been.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:33 AM   #63
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After reflection, I don't think the SB was "fixed," but if it was, why does anyone assume it had to be the league that did it? Refs go on strike, lose money, some gambler gets to one or more of them and then there's a huge payoff.

Most of the biggest scandals in sports history circumvented whatever league authority was in place.
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After reflection, I don't think the SB was "fixed," but if it was, why does anyone assume it had to be the league that did it? Refs go on strike, lose money, some gambler gets to one or more of them and then there's a huge payoff.

Most of the biggest scandals in sports history circumvented whatever league authority was in place.
This is what I keep thinking. It doesn't have to be the NFL, it only has to be the Refs.
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up to 680 including World Cup qualifiers and Euro Championship qualifiers
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/match-f...3303--sow.html
It will be interesting to see how that shakes out. If confirmed it will destroy Soccer.
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If there is no fix in then instead of coming out and making fools of themselves by trying to justify these calls or non calls they need to have someone, that is not affliated with the referees, look at them. Then the NFL needs to lay down the law, the refs got what they wanted in the strike, better do better than this to remain in the NFL. I don't believe the refs decisions were the reason that the Broncos lost (they did quite well by themselves) or the 49ers but you have to wonder what might have been.
I dont really know what you want from them, its human error. That will never change. My guess is the NFL is fine with the refs performance because it wont affect ratings or the bottom line, but something id really consider is making PI reviewable.
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...something id really consider is making PI reviewable.
Makes sense to me. Let's say you hit a receiver before the ball gets there. In fact, let's say you yank down his left arm while the ball's still about a yard way. Let's say the ball bounces off his shoulder into the hands of another defender, who takes it in for a TD. Not only do you stop a drive. You get 7 points.

One of the biggest game & momentum changers in football.

All we have now is an announcer saying that a certain team "got away with a little something there."

Later, it's excused, because, "gee whiz" that happened fast. And it was cold outside, too.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:01 PM   #68
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Much like i'm not at all concerned about a Chief being in the HoF while worthy Broncos are sitting on the outside looking in, I'm not concerned about how the 49ers got screwed while knowing the Broncos were screwed much, much worse.
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It will be interesting to see how that shakes out. If confirmed it will destroy Soccer.
i doubt it
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by the way, Bill Vinovich was the alternate referee for yesterday's game (emphasis added).

http://www.pressboxonline.com/blog.cfm?ID=5714

BOGER TO REF: Perhaps the worst-kept secret in the world of football officiating was made official with the announcement that nine-year NFL official Jerome Boger will referee the Super Bowl.
Boger has not worked a game involving the Ravens since the fifth game of the 2010 season, a 31-17 home win against the Denver Broncos.
Speaking of Denver, the referee at the Ravens' double-overtime Divisional Round win against the Broncos, Bill Vinovich, is the Super Bowl alternate.
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not sure what thread this should be in but 0 holding calls against Baltimore all postseason.


No way ... That's just unreal.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:23 PM   #72
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There were 2 holding non calls on the 9ers 4th down play according to Mangini and he showed them in detail
The league is in full damage control mode right now.

0 holding calls made against the Ravens OLine in the entire postseason. That's all I need to know.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:25 PM   #73
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I thought maybe a few more calls went the Ravens way but wouldn't go as far as saying it was a badly officiated game.
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The Super Bowl was officiated better than the Broncos-Ravens playoff game, but that really isn't saying a damn thing.

0 holding calls on a patchwork offensive line that hadn't played together until the Wild Card round?

That is un-fuggin-real and total garbage!
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:29 PM   #75
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap20...kickoff-return


I don't know the number but watch the 49er's player at about the 25 yard line. He gets mugged by two Ravens on the kickoff return.
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