The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-04-2013, 11:18 AM   #1
crush17
"Born A Broncos Fan"
 
crush17's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 5,830

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rick Upchurch
Default Elvis Dumervil - What do the Broncos do with him?

I would like to have some intelligent discussion about this subject - seeing as how we're in Offseason Mode and there's not much else going on.

I am curious to get everyone's thoughts:

Should the Broncos actively look to move Elvis Dumervil this offseason?

Don't get me wrong - I love Elvis. I love having him on this team. However, I do not feel that he is currently worth the amount he is getting paid. I am open to this line of thought based on two factors:

1) His production has not improved to where we hoped it would after his string of injuries and his play does not merit the salary he is due to make.

2) The Broncos need all the help they can get money wise if we are going to keep this team contending for a championship for the next 2-3 seasons.

I do believe we have a servicable replacement already waiting in Robert Ayers, and more help can be brought in via draft/free agency.

If we can move his salary AND get draft picks or a good player in return, it is a win/win for the Broncos.

Is it time for the Broncos to persue this move? Should they ask him to re-structure?
crush17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 02-04-2013, 11:21 AM   #2
ludo21
RIP Darrent Williams
 
ludo21's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 19,988

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Paul Ernster
Default

10 + sacks and a bunch of forced FF.... Im going to say hell no, he is invaluable as a pass rusher, you dont give those kinds of guys away.

but it does deserve a discussion for offseason pruposes..
ludo21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:26 AM   #3
crush17
"Born A Broncos Fan"
 
crush17's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 5,830

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rick Upchurch
Default

Really, for me it comes down to the amount of money his salary is eating up. I just don't know how we pay him, Kuper, Clady, Manning, Bailey, and then Von, DT and Decker when their contracts are due.
crush17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:28 AM   #4
SonOfLe-loLang
Young Buck
 
SonOfLe-loLang's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 21,229

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Thunder (RIP)
Default

Move him no, restructure his contract, yes
SonOfLe-loLang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:28 AM   #5
MagicHef
Ring of Famer
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,354

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

2011 & 2012 were the high points of his contract, salary wise. He gets cheaper every year from now on. Also, he is one of the 10 best passrushers in the league (or at least was this season).

Keep him.
MagicHef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:28 AM   #6
Requiem
~~~
 
Requiem's Avatar
 
~ ~ ~

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Earth Division
Posts: 24,365

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Princes of Tara
Default

Thanks for starting this discussion.

IIRC -- his deal ends up getting friendlier by two million a year less from here on out until it expires, but regardless I think he should be a candidate for re-structure for the two years over 10 million that still remaine. I can't imagine he gets dealt in a trade with how high his salary is. That is just my personal opinion on the matter. There is a lot to like about what he can do in the pass rushing department, but have always felt his performance against the run was average. However, he seemed to make some plays in that regard this year and did a great job forcing fumbles (6).

There are a lot of good edge rushers in this draft who I would like to have added to our dynamic. I don't think that Robert Ayers is a replacement for Dumervil, but someone we should consider retaining for depth as the future goes on. Jack Del Rio absolutely raved about Ayers when he was coaching at Mobile, so perhaps he will get an opportunity to shine in 2013.

FWIW, I think we clearly need to add another DL with some pass rushing talent to who we have right now. We had some great sack numbers this year, but we could put on some more firepower there. We didn't get much penetration against the Ravens in our Divisional Round loss.

In short. Dumervil should be a candidate for re-structure to save a couple million now and 2014. Don't think we have anyone who could realistically replace his production on top as of right now. Plus his middle name is Kool. Koolbeans.
Requiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:29 AM   #7
Gutless Drunk
Ring of Famer
 
Gutless Drunk's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,760

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Elvis, Champ & Manning need to volunteer for pay cuts. 10-20 Million a year is for players who make plays in the big time games.
Gutless Drunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:33 AM   #8
jutang
Perennial Pro-bowler
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 787
Default

I think Miller and Dumerville could be more devestating with a DT that can collapse the pocket. Denver's fierce passrush can be neutralized if the quarterback can step up in the pocket. Keeping Doom is a must if Denver wants to win the Super Bowl in the next two years. With Denver's short window you need to keep all of their best players to have a realistic shot at winning.
jutang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:34 AM   #9
spdirty
Ring of Famer
 
spdirty's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bailey
Posts: 14,773

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Quentin Jammer
Default

First and foremost we need to teach him where to line up, and if he lines up offsides it's a penalty and hurts the goal of the team, no matter what happens on that particular play.

Last edited by spdirty; 02-04-2013 at 11:56 AM..
spdirty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:36 AM   #10
Bmore Manning
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

I think it's interesting food for thought.. I have pondered this myself, there are some really good pass rushers in the draft. Someone like Oakfor may be there @28, and he is solid against the run as well as a pass rusher...

But.. this would largely depend on what we are getting back in return.. To even be considered..
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:46 AM   #11
Kaylore
I am secretly Chrissy
 
Kaylore's Avatar
 
AND Bob

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ceti Alpha V
Posts: 47,071

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Pat Bowlen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicHef View Post
2011 & 2012 were the high points of his contract, salary wise. He gets cheaper every year from now on. Also, he is one of the 10 best passrushers in the league (or at least was this season).

Keep him.
I agree with this. His salary is going to get better as he gets older. If he tries to hold out then that's one thing, but I say let him keep his money. I am not against trading any player for the right price and I would listen to offers, but I don't think you need to go looking to move him.
Kaylore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:48 AM   #12
g6matty
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

cut him and trade for revis
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:49 AM   #13
oubronco
John Foneco !!
 
oubronco's Avatar
 
Mile High Magic

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sooner Country
Posts: 21,306
Default

If they would ever call holding he would have the sack record
oubronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:59 AM   #14
BroncosfanGuy
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jutang View Post
I think Miller and Dumerville could be more devestating with a DT that can collapse the pocket. Denver's fierce passrush can be neutralized if the quarterback can step up in the pocket. Keeping Doom is a must if Denver wants to win the Super Bowl in the next two years. With Denver's short window you need to keep all of their best players to have a realistic shot at winning.
I agree with this. Denver still needs a disruptive interior pass rusher to take some of the burden off the edge rushers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by g6matty View Post
cut him and trade for revis
would probably work in Madden
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 11:59 AM   #15
TheReverend
Permanent Facepalm
 
TheReverend's Avatar
 
Not. Too. Shabby.

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 37,675

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Mike Shanahan
Default

If you want to see a big drop in pressure from our defense, sure.

Not only will it remove Elvis' pressure, but it will have a large impact on Von's #s as well.

This isn't fantasy football.
TheReverend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:00 PM   #16
enjolras
Ring of Famer
 
enjolras's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 7,836
Default

enjolras is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:09 PM   #17
Heyneck
Ring of Famer
 
Heyneck's Avatar
 
RIP Tripplets!

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cali, Colombia
Posts: 2,381

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by g6matty View Post
cut him and trade for revis
What did we achieve with having Champ with no pass rush under the Shanny years get us?
Heyneck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:14 PM   #18
eddie mac
Ireland's No1 Bronco
 
eddie mac's Avatar
 
Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: IRELAND
Posts: 17,254

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rod Smith
Default

No need to restructure his deal considering there isn't $1 of guaranteed money left. I'd give him a new contract lowering the numbers a bit but giving him more guaranteed money.
eddie mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:15 PM   #19
mwill07
Ring of Famer
 
mwill07's Avatar
 
Lurker Extraordinaire

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 2,045

Adopt-a-Bronco:
VMFM
Default

he's currently the #11th highest paid DE in the league, and was 6th in the league for sacks from the DE position. Depending on how you measure him, he seems to be at least a top 10-20 DE relative to the rest of the league.

link

He seems to be playing up to the level of his contract, and as some underpaid guys start making what they are worth and Elvis' contract decreases, his pay relative to comparable DE's will only go down.

Keeping Elvis, even at his high contract level, is probably a value proposition at this point.
mwill07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:17 PM   #20
crush17
"Born A Broncos Fan"
 
crush17's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 5,830

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Rick Upchurch
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mwill07 View Post
he's currently the #11th highest paid DE in the league, and was 6th in the league for sacks from the DE position. Depending on how you measure him, he seems to be at least a top 10-20 DE relative to the rest of the league.

link

He seems to be playing up to the level of his contract, and as some underpaid guys start making what they are worth and Elvis' contract decreases, his pay relative to comparable DE's will only go down.

Keeping Elvis, even at his high contract level, is probably a value proposition at this point.


Good stuff. Makes me feel a lot better about the situation.
I still have concerns about how this team is supposed to be able to pay all of it's core players at this point though.
crush17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:17 PM   #21
mustangtoby
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

I don't understand. You pay good money for good players. So when you have a good player under contract, why would you move him? Makes no sense to me...
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:19 PM   #22
Drunken.Broncoholic
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

His contract wasn't just for future seasons. It was rewarding him for the seasons he overachieved on his previous contract.

Right now only fans are even talking about this. The FO is firm on him. JDR gets another offseason to build around miller and doom. Can't break that up.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:23 PM   #23
2KBack
Rumblin' Bumblin'
 
2KBack's Avatar
 
Cake is delicious

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wash DC
Posts: 8,008
Default

I'm more interested in getting a DE to play opposite of him so we can keep Wolfe at DT
2KBack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:27 PM   #24
gyldenlove
Ring of Famer
 
gyldenlove's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Nęstved, DK
Posts: 11,212

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Spencer Larsen
Default

There is no incentive to restructure his deal, it gets cheaper every year. All you achieve by restructuring this year is that you have to cut him next year to avoid the cap escalation consequences. We have him at decreasing cap numbers the next 3 seasons.
gyldenlove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #25
bpc
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
 
bpc's Avatar
 
1 sword keeps another in the sheath

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northern California
Posts: 14,220

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

Love me some Elvis but his potential is capped in the 4-3. He'll always be an undersized guy that won't be a huge impact with run defense.

If Denver could make a move to sign Paul Kruger closer to home (from Utah) to a mid-level contract ($4-5million) I would be open to trading Elvis. Sounds like Baltimore understands it will not be able to keep PK with their salary constraints.
bpc is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:45 PM.


Denver Broncos