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Old 02-02-2013, 11:44 PM   #26
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I think Peterson got it over Manning because of Manning's 4 prior MVP awards. That simple really. Manning had his 2nd best statistical season of his career and lead a new team to the #1 seed.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:11 AM   #27
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If I had a team...and they gave me the choice:

You can have one of the following two players:

1. AP
2. PM

I'd take Manning everyday anyday....all-day!

I'm not taking anything away from Peterson's year. He had a phenominal year. But, he's not the "MOST" valuable. Sorry.
PM has played at the same level for going on 15 years. The average life span of a RB is 4 years.

That is called a no brainer.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:55 AM   #28
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we got knocked out in our first play off game. who gives a rats a ss about the post season awards? first round bye? champ gets burned Twice? we get embarrassed by a 70 yard bomb in the last min? F the awards. we have ball in OT driving and... someone throws a pick? Who? the Worst clutch QB's in nfl history
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:41 AM   #29
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Von and Doom faded like a haircut... Their PB caliber but neither are tops at their position.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:08 AM   #30
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talk about some grumpy munchkins...

though I do agree about some guys not showing up a couple of weeks ago..
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Von and Doom faded like a haircut... Their PB caliber but neither are tops at their position.
This is also why Smith didn't get any votes, I suspect. He had the record in his grasps then laid down and cried about double teams for 3 games.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:33 AM   #32
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So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:42 AM   #33
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Von and Doom faded like a haircut... Their PB caliber but neither are tops at their position.
Which OLB is better than Von?
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:46 AM   #34
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Watt beat Miller 49-1 in the voting.
I normally don't care about these awards anymore, but 49-1? Really?

Watt got all the pub in the first half, and he did fade somewhat down the stretch. And where was he in that New England game anyway?

I'm not going to whine about Von not winning, but c'mon, Watt wasn't 49-1 better.
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So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?
TD also had 21 rushing TDs.
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I'm not going to whine about Von not winning, but c'mon, Watt wasn't 49-1 better.[/QUOTE]

Agree 49-1 part but, the Watt hype machine was strong throughout so no wonder it turned out that way.
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I'm not going to whine about Von not winning, but c'mon, Watt wasn't 49-1 better.
Watt was 50-0 better, but apparently there was an orange and blue vote.

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Watt was a near unanimous selection with 49 of a possible 50 votes. He finished first in the NFL with 20.5 sacks and 22 tackles for loss, and obliterated the unofficial records for batted passes (16) and defeats (56). He also led the league in tackles for loss (22), had 76 QB disruptions, and posted a defensive stop on 17.2 percent of his snaps. Texans DC Wade Phillips insists Watt's 2012 season was the "absolute best" of any defensive lineman in NFL history. Broncos linebacker Von Miller is the only other player to receive a vote for the award.
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So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?
TD's MVP was partially due to the continuation from the year before. He came in second to Barry Sanders for the rushing crown, then turned in a sick Superbowl run. We were defending champions, and he was the defending Superbowl MVP, and Denver rode his back to surpass the already lofty expectations. If TD simply had that year in an otherwise unspectacular era in Denver's history, no way he walks away with the MVP.
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If I had a team...and they gave me the choice:

You can have one of the following two players:

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I'd take Manning everyday anyday....all-day!

I'm not taking anything away from Peterson's year. He had a phenominal year. But, he's not the "MOST" valuable. Sorry.
Fyi, it's a single season award, not a career one
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This is also why Smith didn't get any votes, I suspect. He had the record in his grasps then laid down and cried about double teams for 3 games.
Actually he's been pretty hurt
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So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?

TD sat out after the Broncos had several of their games in hand.....so his 2,008 yards rushing would have been much more had he played the entire game instead of watching Vaughn Hebron and Derek Loville run out the clock of a typical 31-19 blowout.

Cunningham had a great year, but the problem he had was the perception that he just heaved numerous jump balls to Randy Moss who made great catches vs. Randall making great throws.
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TD's MVP was partially due to the continuation from the year before. He came in second to Barry Sanders for the rushing crown, then turned in a sick Superbowl run. We were defending champions, and he was the defending Superbowl MVP, and Denver rode his back to surpass the already lofty expectations. If TD simply had that year in an otherwise unspectacular era in Denver's history, no way he walks away with the MVP.
So you're saying the people bent the rules and gave him the MVP based on two years' production? That'd violate the rules for the benefit of the Broncos. That's the kind of stuff we hear as a basis for East Coast bias.
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TD also had 21 rushing TDs.
Useless stat outside FF. Definitely doesn't make up for the difference in 5 vs 6 yards per carry.
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TD sat out after the Broncos had several of their games in hand.....so his 2,008 yards rushing would have been much more had he played the entire game instead of watching Vaughn Hebron and Derek Loville run out the clock of a typical 31-19 blowout.

Cunningham had a great year, but the problem he had was the perception that he just heaved numerous jump balls to Randy Moss who made great catches vs. Randall making great throws.
And Peterson would've had the all time record if he'd gotten anywhere close to TD's carries. He was like 7 yards shy with 44 carries less. TD might've sat a lot but he also had a lot of carries. As long as Peterson had less carries and more yards, the "he could've had more yards" is a useless argument completely.
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Actually he's been pretty hurt
Ahh, that could be as well. I know I read about him whining because he was being doubled and tripled, as well. I don't recall if it coincided with whatshisface getting hurt or if he was whining about it beforehand.
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Ahh, that could be as well. I know I read about him whining because he was being doubled and tripled, as well. I don't recall if it coincided with whatshisface getting hurt or if he was whining about it beforehand.
Yeah Justin Smiths injury didn't help either
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Useless stat outside FF. Definitely doesn't make up for the difference in 5 vs 6 yards per carry.
Scoring points is how you win ****ing REAL football games. 54 more points for your teams = more wins.

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Scoring points is how you win ****ing REAL football games. 48 more points for your teams = more wins.
The fact that TD got them rather than Elway passing for them did not lead to wins.

I recall years when Shaun Alexander and LT2 were TD machines. They were SB champions, right?
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The fact that TD got them rather than Elway passing for them did not lead to wins.

I recall years when Shaun Alexander and LT2 were TD machines. They were SB champions, right?
I'm sorry you think 6 extra yards per game rushing is more impressive then 54 more points. I remember TD being a TD machine and we WERE SB champions.

How about AP? Is he going to beat the Ravens today?
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I'm sorry you think 6 extra yards per game rushing is more impressive then 54 more points. I remember TD being a TD machine and we WERE SB champions.

How about AP? Is he going to beat the Ravens today?
Quick, name me the last time a TD leader (receiving or rushing) was also a SB champion. Surely they must correlate well, right?

Now go do your research. I have no idea who it is but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that TD was the last time it happened. Individual success does not necessarily equal team success.
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