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Old 02-01-2013, 11:24 AM   #26
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MacGruder = the simplest thinker on the Mane.

Also, you do realize Peyton did win a super bowl, yeah? He dragged a lot of crappy teams on his back deep into the playoffs too. And he played well enough to win this broncos playoff game.

Your boy will probably be out of the league in a year...and not because its a big conspiracy against him.
3 turnovers when he was gifted 2 TDs and losing to Flacco = played well enough? It is INCREDIBLE how having a name and repuation makes people ignore reality. Tebow set records against steelers D and was blamed for Pats loss.

Peyton was atrocious versus Ravens and everyone else gets the blame but him...

And Peyton's one superbowl win was against Rex Grossman... lol

He might have lost to Trent Dilfer.. lol

Peyton lost to Brees who people said could never win like Tebow...
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:49 AM   #27
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3 turnovers when he was gifted 2 TDs and losing to Flacco = played well enough? It is INCREDIBLE how having a name and repuation makes people ignore reality. Tebow set records against steelers D and was blamed for Pats loss.

Peyton was atrocious versus Ravens and everyone else gets the blame but him...

And Peyton's one superbowl win was against Rex Grossman... lol

He might have lost to Trent Dilfer.. lol

Peyton lost to Brees who people said could never win like Tebow...
In horrid weather, he had the Broncos in position to win the game with 30 seconds left before a huge fail by the defense. Regardless of how those points were scored, though it should be noted that he lead a sweet 4th quarter go ahead drive to get there. Was he perfect? Absolutely not. Did he play well enough to win? Yes.

While re-watching the 1997 AFC championship game that Bob posted, i was shocked to recall the broncos didnt score a single point in the second half. NOT A SINGLE one...in fact, the offense was incredibly inept. Its too bad teboew wasnt around then to QB the broncos instead of elway.
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3 turnovers when he was gifted 2 TDs and losing to Flacco = played well enough? It is INCREDIBLE how having a name and repuation makes people ignore reality. Tebow set records against steelers D and was blamed for Pats loss.

Peyton was atrocious versus Ravens and everyone else gets the blame but him...

And Peyton's one superbowl win was against Rex Grossman... lol

He might have lost to Trent Dilfer.. lol

Peyton lost to Brees who people said could never win like Tebow...
You really are the simplest thinker on the Mane.

He had a seven point lead with 40 seconds left. You whine and cry about him "losing to Joe Flacco."

You're not smart.
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People who understand football know that it wasn't "Manning vs. Grossman" in the Super Bowl; it was "Manning vs. the Bears defense" and "Grossman vs. the Colts defense". The Bears defense that season ranked #3 in points given up and #5 in yards. The Colts defense? 23rd and 21st.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:19 PM   #30
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You really are the simplest thinker on the Mane.

He had a seven point lead with 40 seconds left. You whine and cry about him "losing to Joe Flacco."

You're not smart.
Have you ever seen a football game before? You aren't supposed to put a team in position to win the game like that... in today;s NFL that is setting yourself up to lose the game. If Tebow lost in that fashion NO ONE would be making excuses for him.

Remember when Tebow won they tried to explain it away exactly like how people are trying to explain the Flacco win away. Peyton had time he could have stole the game too.. Fox knew better because Manning was playing like crap the whole game and didn't look like he belonged on the field.
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People who understand football know that it wasn't "Manning vs. Grossman" in the Super Bowl; it was "Manning vs. the Bears defense" and "Grossman vs. the Colts defense". The Bears defense that season ranked #3 in points given up and #5 in yards. The Colts defense? 23rd and 21st.
Tebow was facing the Steelers D and BigBen... no one cares... Peyton was facing both... and that lessens his achievement.

Just as losing to Brees who was never supposed to be able to win a superbowl also diminishes Peyton.

Then you have him taking a FAR BETTER team than Tebow had last season and really performing worse in the post season with them. And Peyton was being coddled and Tebow was being thrown under the bus the whole time.

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Tebow set records against steelers D and was blamed for Pats loss.
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What record did Tebow set? Most yards on 10 completions because he is horrid at passing? If he was so great why did he only fetch a 4th round pick?
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:49 PM   #33
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Stop trying to have a actual conversation with this moron ...

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A dircted energy weapon was used and I think a form of gravity control

Do you know what resonant energy is? Did you know the Twin Towers were built as two giant tuning forks? And that the outer shell of both buildings was covered with a tuning fork like structure that ran the entire height of the building.

Did you now that the Twin towers had an incredible number of similarities with the Egyptian pyramids built into them.. they were three times the height.. had the same footprint and their perimeter was exactly twice the circumference.. did you also know the pyramids used some kind of resonant energy technology? And the Freemasons are derived from Egypt?
Don't argue with retards ... and especially tuning fork retards.
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It's a simple concept... it's offense vs. defense; not offense vs. opposing offense (it's impossible to be "against" a unit that isn't even on the field at the same time). If the visiting team's offense scores points, that's on the home team's defense (y'know... the guys who were on the field when it happened).
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You really are the simplest thinker on the Mane.

He had a seven point lead with 40 seconds left. You whine and cry about him "losing to Joe Flacco."

You're not smart.
Yo, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Trindon Holliday had more to do with that seven point lead than nancy noodle arm did.
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What record did Tebow set? Most yards on 10 completions because he is horrid at passing? If he was so great why did he only fetch a 4th round pick?

Yo I don't know, if Russell Wilson is so great why did he only fetch a third round pick?

NFL executives are pretty stupid all told.
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What record did Tebow set? Most yards on 10 completions because he is horrid at passing? If he was so great why did he only fetch a 4th round pick?
Why was Tom Brady a 6th round pick? Why were Russel Wilson and Kaepernick picked so low? Now everyone says Kaepernick is a god.. lol Why was Mike Vick riding the bench behind whats-his-name on the Eagles before he was injured... then people said he would dominate the NFL now he stinks again? lol

Why are Flacco and Kaeprnick in the superbowl over Brady and Peyton? hahah

Tebow was also only one of 2 QBs I believe with 50 yards rushing and 300 yards passing. In NFL history..
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Yo, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Trindon Holliday had more to do with that seven point lead than nancy noodle arm did.
"Nancy Noodle Arm" still threw for 3 td's and had a 100 rating going into OT.

Yeah, he's ****ing horrible.

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Don't argue with retards ... and especially tuning fork retards.
lol... if you only knew what I have discovered and will reveal soon...

You are mocking me yet you are the one who has no clue what is going on...
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Why was Tom Brady a 6th round pick? Why were Russel Wilson and Kaepernick picked so low? Now everyone says Kaepernick is a god.. lol Why was Mike Vick riding the bench behind whats-his-name on the Eagles before he was injured... then people said he would dominate the NFL now he stinks again? lol

Why are Flacco and Kaeprnick in the superbowl over Brady and Peyton? hahah

Tebow was also only one of 2 QBs I believe with 50 yards rushing and 300 yards passing. In NFL history..
It helps when you throw against a cover zero. Yeah, yeah..."inverted zone," blah blah. He was throwing against a defense that had no interest in stopping the pass. And this isn't because Tebow was such a great run threat. They just didnt believe he could throw. And when he did (and he did a good job throwing agianst this ****ty defense), they refused to adjust and, instead, in OT, put 11 guys at the line of scrimmage on first and 10.
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"Nancy Noodle Arm" still threw for 3 td's and had a 100 rating going into OT.

Yeah, he's ****ing horrible.

GTFO
How many points did Mr Passer rating give to the other team? Blinded by meaningless numbers...
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It helps when you throw against a cover zero. Yeah, yeah..."inverted zone," blah blah. He was throwing against a defense that had no interest in stopping the pass. And this isn't because Tebow was such a great run threat. They just didnt believe he could throw. And when he did (and he did a good job throwing agianst this ****ty defense), they refused to adjust and, instead, in OT, put 11 guys at the line of scrimmage on first and 10.
He wasn't a great run threat? The Broncos were the number one running team in the NFL and Tebow didn't even play the full season./ Did you see McGahee try to run the ball this season? They had tot totally change the offense to get him to produce.

And Tebow could not have made the Broncos so great running the ball if he couldn't pass.
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He wasn't a great run threat? The Broncos were the number one running team in the NFL and Tebow didn't even play the full season./ Did you see McGahee try to run the ball this season? They had tot totally change the offense to get him to produce.

And Tebow could not have made the Broncos so great running the ball if he couldn't pass.
When all you do is run the ball,your running stats are going to improve greatly. If tebow could throw the ball,they wouldn't have run as much.
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Yo I don't know, if Russell Wilson is so great why did he only fetch a third round pick?

NFL executives are pretty stupid all told.
Wilson wouldn't fetch a 3rd now. It was all on his size and he proved in the pros he can play. TT not so much. Don't you think a young QB if NFL GM's thought had potential to be good to great would give up a 2nd or higher pick? What do you think Wilson would snatch now? 2 1st rd picks probably.
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When all you do is run the ball,your running stats are going to improve greatly. If tebow could throw the ball,they wouldn't have run as much.
That is totally FALSE... Fox ran so much to protect the D.. why do you think the D collapsed with Peyton throwing the ball so much?

Look at Camp Bailey... he played like garbage. Tebow runing the ball so much and domianting teams without turning the ball over protected his aging defense. When Fox opened the offense up with Tebow the D would instantly collapse.

It's so hilarious too because someone said I was simple... yet people aren't looking at the ramifications of the two different QBs.. fluff passing numbers are fool's gold. You can't risk throwing the ball around like that in the playoffs... one bonehead play and there goes your season.

And people wonder why Tebow plays the way he does.. he can control his career where as pure passers cannot... their success is in the hands of everyone around them.

This is also why players love playing with Peyton though.. because he pads their stats where Tebow doesn't... but the down side is he has to rely on them...
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He wasn't a great run threat? The Broncos were the number one running team in the NFL and Tebow didn't even play the full season./ Did you see McGahee try to run the ball this season? They had tot totally change the offense to get him to produce.

And Tebow could not have made the Broncos so great running the ball if he couldn't pass.
Willis was on pace for 1200 yards or so. What do you mean he couldn't run?
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Wilson wouldn't fetch a 3rd now. It was all on his size and he proved in the pros he can play. TT not so much. Don't you think a young QB if NFL GM's thought had potential to be good to great would give up a 2nd or higher pick? What do you think Wilson would snatch now? 2 1st rd picks probably.
Yeah but Wilson played on a excellent team with an excellent offensive coach... Tebow played on the worst team in the NFL and was thrown under the bus by a terrible coach. Then he went to the Jets where they were just as stupid if not worse.

Put Tebow on that same Seahawks team and I wouldn't be surprised if he took them to the superbowl. They were better than the Broncos in every facet.

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Willis was on pace for 1200 yards or so. What do you mean he couldn't run?
He wasn't running conventionally this season.. Willis got all his yards off Peyton dinking and dunking to him because he couldn't get going running the ball.

And that was all generated by the no huddle offense which Fox wouldn't let Tebow run because the D collapsed before they got Del Rio...
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That is totally FALSE... Fox ran so much to protect the D.. why do you think the D collapsed with Peyton throwing the ball so much?

Look at Camp Bailey... he played like garbage. Tebow runing the ball so much and domianting teams without turning the ball over protected his aging defense. When Fox opened the offense up with Tebow the D would instantly collapse.

It's so hilarious too because someone said I was simple... yet people aren't looking at the ramifications of the two different QBs.. fluff passing numbers are fool's gold. You can't risk throwing the ball around like that in the playoffs... one bonehead play and there goes your season.

And people wonder why Tebow plays the way he does.. he can control his career where as pure passers cannot... their success is in the hands of everyone around them.

This is also why players love playing with Peyton though.. because he pads their stats where Tebow doesn't... but the down side is he has to rely on them...
Sometimes I wonder if you have even watched Tebow or Manning play very much. Tebow will be out of the league soon what will your excuse be then? You really believe the Broncos were a better team with Teblow as their QB?

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Sometimes I wonder if you have even watched Tebow or Manning play very much. Tebow will be out of the league soon what will your excuse be then? You really believe the Broncos were a better team with Teblow as their QB?
With this team absolutely. He could fill in where the Broncos had weaknesses.. PLUS he has the physical toughness to handle the burden. Peyton in his prime may not have been able to handle the load he would have to carry on the Broncos. Now he makes up for it by being a great offensive coordinator... but in the playoffs that can't save him. Every year gets worse for Peyton as he gets older and the NFL gets more athletic, too.

With Tebow you guys could have at the very least been building for something.. right now all you are doing is padding Elway's regular season wins column which will just make him all the harder to get rid of. Your franchise is probably doomed now for a decade...

Also.. with the track record Elway is getting dicking people over and controlling everything who is going to want to come coach for him? Another retread like Fox? That's about the best you can hope for. No one is going to want to carry Elway and have him get all the credit doing his old spice commercials...

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