The Return of Irving - The Orange Mane

pricejj · 01-28-2013, 09:23 AM

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/...#disqus_thread

Rascal posted in the draft forum that the DP reports Nate Irving is moving back to MLB to compete for the starting job this offseason.

1. Are Brooking and Irving going to battle it out for starting MLB?
2. Is this is writing on the wall for DJ to be released?
3. If so, forget about spending a high draft pick on an LB in the draft.

(either that or I am completely misreading the entire thing.)

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-28-2013, 09:26 AM

I'm not sure how you drew any of those conclusions from that one simple article.

pricejj · 01-28-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

I'm not sure how you drew any of those conclusions from that one simple article.

If Irving really is returning to MLB (as they report it), it changes a lot of things. Of course, they may just be speculating. The article seems to be a bit high on 'wishful thinking' and a bit low on factual content.

ZONA · 01-28-2013, 09:37 AM

There is NOTHING in that article to give your post any cred at all. If you think Elway is going into next season knowing he has a team that can win it all now, with maybe a few more upgrades, and you think he's going to count on Iriving as the starting MLB, I think you may be just as dumb as the guy who's writing that article. The guy hasn't show hardly anything in his few years here. There's no way you can look at what he's done so far and say he's the answer.

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-28-2013, 09:37 AM

Perhaps but...

1) it doesnt imply that they will sign brooking back, or that they are overly confident Irving will take the starting job.
2) Whats it have to do with DJ? Though i think the broncos will logically cut him anyway
3) They hardly have a ton of money wrapped up in irving. I dont see why they wouldnt draft an LB just because of him

Requiem · 01-28-2013, 10:25 AM

Denver will draft a LB with one of their top three picks.

gunns · 01-28-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Denver will draft a LB with one of their top three picks.

I think so too. Irving will have to compete with whomever that is. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they let DJ go and I don't believe they will resign Brooking, if they do it will be another year.

Ray Finkle · 01-28-2013, 10:47 AM

he has as much of a chance of becoming the starting MLB for the Broncos next year as I do becoming the King of France....

Tombstone RJ · 01-28-2013, 10:52 AM

We will know a lot more after the draft IMHO. This article is basically saying that Nate is still a young guy and that means Elway will give him an opportunity to win the starting MLB spot b/c Elway wants to infuse some more youth into the team. So basically, Elway is telling Nate "here's your chance." However, the draft will also speak to this issue. If the Broncos spend a first day pick on a ILB/MLB then Nate will know that nothing is being given to him.

Rohirrim · 01-28-2013, 11:05 AM

Sounds to me like all they are saying is that Irving will get a chance to compete for a LB position, same as everybody else they bring in.

Rascal · 01-28-2013, 11:15 AM

FWIW, I read the rotoworld blurb, which outside of mentioning Broncos and Nate Irving appears to have no similarities to the Denverpost blog.

Sorry.

Lestat · 01-28-2013, 11:18 AM

he'll get a chance. but there is too much talent in the draft at MLB to pass over.

enjolras · 01-28-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

There is NOTHING in that article to give your post any cred at all. If you think Elway is going into next season knowing he has a team that can win it all now, with maybe a few more upgrades, and you think he's going to count on Iriving as the starting MLB, I think you may be just as dumb as the guy who's writing that article. The guy hasn't show hardly anything in his few years here. There's no way you can look at what he's done so far and say he's the answer.

He's been here for two seasons and that's a pretty harsh critique.

Irving was *fantastic* on special teams this year. He was fast and tackled really really well. He's been a project for sure, but he consistently got better as the year wore on.

There were lingering injury issues in his rookie season and there have been scattered reports (listening to the local radio) that his first season was essentially a redshirt year. Coming into this season he clearly had issues adjusting to NFL game speed, but at least on special teams, that got better and better as the year went along.

I still have no idea if he'll ever see the field, but there are least reasons to be optimistic.

Requiem · 01-28-2013, 11:23 AM

Well, that is pretty incorrect. You don't know that they thought Irving was a first-round talent. In fact, it was Bill Parcells who thought Nate Irving was a first-round talent, despite the fact that he basically lost his leg in an automobile accident. The team obviously didn't have him rated that high since he was a third-round selection.

And why would the roster space be limited? We have a bunch of areas we can upgrade on this roster. ILB being one of the primary ones. Irving and Brooking aren't the kind of guys you want being the only dudes on your roster going into training camp at MIKE.

This is assuming something is done with DJ and Joe as well. We are not deep at LB. We have Trevathan, Johnson, Miller, Irving and Woodyard outside those two X-Factors above, which in my eyes are likely to be cap casualties (and I like both those players). Outside Miller, it really isn't that impressive. Another young player or veteran needs to be added into the mix to make the unit a whole lot better. If one of those guys goes down, we are SOL.

Tombstone RJ · 01-28-2013, 11:27 AM

fuggit, get Minter

!

pricejj · 01-28-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Perhaps but...

1) it doesnt imply that they will sign brooking back, or that they are overly confident Irving will take the starting job.

Why wouldn't you bring Brooking back? He led the Broncos to the #4 scoring Defense.

I think Irving's likely role will be similar to D.J.'s role when he came back...while hoping he can be the starter in the future.

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

2) Whats it have to do with DJ? Though i think the broncos will logically cut him anyway

It's highly unlikely D.J. will remain on the team as 3rd string MLB.

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

3) They hardly have a ton of money wrapped up in irving. I dont see why they wouldnt draft an LB just because of him

MLB is not the reason the Broncos lost in the playoffs. The Broncos have bigger fish to fry in early rounds...especially since they evidently believe they already have two capable players (Brooking, Irving) at the position.

Bigdawg26 · 01-28-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Well, that is pretty incorrect. You don't know that they thought Irving was a first-round talent. In fact, it was Bill Parcells who thought Nate Irving was a first-round talent, despite the fact that he basically lost his leg in an automobile accident. The team obviously didn't have him rated that high since he was a third-round selection.

And why would the roster space be limited? We have a bunch of areas we can upgrade on this roster. ILB being one of the primary ones. Irving and Brooking aren't the kind of guys you want being the only dudes on your roster going into training camp at MIKE.

This is assuming something is done with DJ and Joe as well. We are not deep at LB. We have Trevathan, Johnson, Miller, Irving and Woodyard outside those two X-Factors above, which in my eyes are likely to be cap casualties (and I like both those players). Outside Miller, it really isn't that impressive. Another young player or veteran needs to be added into the mix to make the unit a whole lot better. If one of those guys goes down, we are SOL.

This! Although you gotta give credit to Woody. I think we have our starting OLB's.

Requiem · 01-28-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdawg26

This! Although you gotta give credit to Woody. I think we have our starting OLB's.

You are right. Wesley had a terrific year stepping up in place of DJ. I have his autograph on a big Broncos sticker decal on my fireproof safe. (Thanks again to fellow Maner underrated29 for hooking that up!)

pricejj · 01-28-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

This is assuming something is done with DJ and Joe as well. We are not deep at LB. We have Trevathan, Johnson, Miller, Irving and Woodyard outside those two X-Factors above, which in my eyes are likely to be cap casualties (and I like both those players). Outside Miller, it really isn't that impressive. Another young player or veteran needs to be added into the mix to make the unit a whole lot better. If one of those guys goes down, we are SOL.

WOLB:
1. Woodyard
2. D.J. Williams (adios amigo)
3. Trevathan

MLB:
1. Brooking
2. Irving
3. Steven Johnson or a restructured Joe Mays

SOLB:
1. Miller
2. X

Looks like all the Broncos need is a backup SOLB who will rarely see the field...hardly something you need to spend a 1st or 2nd round draft pick on.

BroncosfanGuy · 01-28-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Why wouldn't you bring Brooking back? He led the Broncos to the #2 scoring Defense.

I think Irving's likely role will be similar to D.J.'s role when he came back...while hoping he can be the starter in the future.

It's highly unlikely D.J. will remain on the team as 3rd string MLB.

MLB is not the reason the Broncos lost in the playoffs. The Broncos have bigger fish to fry in early rounds...especially since they evidently believe they already have two capable players (Brooking, Irving) at the position.

This is all assuming that Brooking is retained (which I think is a long shot) and that Denver plans to keep Williams at Mike. Mike LB is definitely a need position whether Denver moves Irving to Mike, keeps Brooking, and/or retains Wiliams. For all we know Irving is viewed as depth at MLB. He hasn't done anything to show us that he's The Man there now. Brooking was a stopgap after the Mays experiment fell through.

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Why wouldn't you bring Brooking back? He led the Broncos to the #2 scoring Defense.

no

Requiem · 01-28-2013, 11:38 AM

Irving hasn't proved **** and the last time Keith Brooking was worth a **** Bill Clinton was getting dome in the Oval Office. You are off your rocker if you think we are going into training camp with the same personnel at MIKE as this past year.

pricejj · 01-28-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Irving hasn't proved **** and the last time Keith Brooking was worth a **** Bill Clinton was getting dome in the Oval Office. You are off your rocker if you think we are going into training camp with the same personnel at MIKE as this past year.

Watch what you say about Brooking, he's the Broncos starting MLB, and played well this year for the NFL's #4 Defense. Haven't heard anything about him retiring.

I said the Irving move indicates that it's highly unlikely the Broncos spend a high draft pick on an MLB. I like his improvement.

Since you continue to maintain that the Broncos WILL spend a high draft pick (1st or 2nd rounder) on an MLB, who do you think it will be? Just curious. Would be mighty strange to see JDR roll out only Irving and a rookie at MLB in camp.

pricejj · 01-28-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncosfanGuy

no

fixed (#4)

Requiem · 01-28-2013, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj

Since you continue to maintain that the Broncos WILL spend a high draft pick (1st or 2nd rounder) on an MLB, who do you think it will be? Just curious.

I said the Broncos will draft a LINEBACKER within the first three rounds. Who I think it will be is irrelevant.

Heyneck · 01-28-2013, 12:10 PM

Always liked the Irvin pick. Hoped he would have been the MLB this season instead of Mays. Still want competition at MLB, but will not be mad at all if he wins it. This will only be his 3rd year, he got to at least learn from Brooking and not Mays. I actually like this if true a lot. Still need to get some prospect to develop and for depth reasons.

01-28-2013, 09:23 AM	#1
pricejj jungle Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisville, CO Posts: 5,132	The Return of Irving http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/...#disqus_thread Rascal posted in the draft forum that the DP reports Nate Irving is moving back to MLB to compete for the starting job this offseason. 1. Are Brooking and Irving going to battle it out for starting MLB? 2. Is this is writing on the wall for DJ to be released? 3. If so, forget about spending a high draft pick on an LB in the draft. (either that or I am completely misreading the entire thing.) Last edited by pricejj; 01-28-2013 at 09:36 AM..

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01-28-2013, 09:26 AM	#2
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,211 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	I'm not sure how you drew any of those conclusions from that one simple article.

01-28-2013, 09:37 AM	#4
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,359 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	There is NOTHING in that article to give your post any cred at all. If you think Elway is going into next season knowing he has a team that can win it all now, with maybe a few more upgrades, and you think he's going to count on Iriving as the starting MLB, I think you may be just as dumb as the guy who's writing that article. The guy hasn't show hardly anything in his few years here. There's no way you can look at what he's done so far and say he's the answer.

01-28-2013, 10:25 AM	#6
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,515 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Denver will draft a LB with one of their top three picks.

01-28-2013, 10:47 AM	#8
Ray Finkle DOOONNNTTTTT CAAARRREEE! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 7,401	he has as much of a chance of becoming the starting MLB for the Broncos next year as I do becoming the King of France....

01-28-2013, 10:52 AM	#9
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,273 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	We will know a lot more after the draft IMHO. This article is basically saying that Nate is still a young guy and that means Elway will give him an opportunity to win the starting MLB spot b/c Elway wants to infuse some more youth into the team. So basically, Elway is telling Nate "here's your chance." However, the draft will also speak to this issue. If the Broncos spend a first day pick on a ILB/MLB then Nate will know that nothing is being given to him.

01-28-2013, 11:05 AM	#10
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,791	Sounds to me like all they are saying is that Irving will get a chance to compete for a LB position, same as everybody else they bring in.

01-28-2013, 11:15 AM	#11
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	FWIW, I read the rotoworld blurb, which outside of mentioning Broncos and Nate Irving appears to have no similarities to the Denverpost blog. Sorry.

01-28-2013, 11:18 AM	#12
Lestat Oreo Lucian Rockefeller The New Age Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 5,144	he'll get a chance. but there is too much talent in the draft at MLB to pass over.

01-28-2013, 11:23 AM	#14
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,515 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Well, that is pretty incorrect. You don't know that they thought Irving was a first-round talent. In fact, it was Bill Parcells who thought Nate Irving was a first-round talent, despite the fact that he basically lost his leg in an automobile accident. The team obviously didn't have him rated that high since he was a third-round selection. And why would the roster space be limited? We have a bunch of areas we can upgrade on this roster. ILB being one of the primary ones. Irving and Brooking aren't the kind of guys you want being the only dudes on your roster going into training camp at MIKE. This is assuming something is done with DJ and Joe as well. We are not deep at LB. We have Trevathan, Johnson, Miller, Irving and Woodyard outside those two X-Factors above, which in my eyes are likely to be cap casualties (and I like both those players). Outside Miller, it really isn't that impressive. Another young player or veteran needs to be added into the mix to make the unit a whole lot better. If one of those guys goes down, we are SOL.

01-28-2013, 11:27 AM	#15
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,273 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	fuggit, get Minter !

01-28-2013, 11:38 AM	#21
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,515 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Irving hasn't proved ** and the last time Keith Brooking was worth a ** Bill Clinton was getting dome in the Oval Office. You are off your rocker if you think we are going into training camp with the same personnel at MIKE as this past year.

01-28-2013, 12:10 PM	#25
Heyneck Ring of Famer None is a family member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cali, Colombia Posts: 2,181 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Always liked the Irvin pick. Hoped he would have been the MLB this season instead of Mays. Still want competition at MLB, but will not be mad at all if he wins it. This will only be his 3rd year, he got to at least learn from Brooking and not Mays. I actually like this if true a lot. Still need to get some prospect to develop and for depth reasons.