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Old 01-24-2013, 03:45 PM   #326
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If he throws a forward pass, he is a witch. Because we all know he can't. Any time he did, it was clearly witchcraft.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:46 PM   #327
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Taco isn't it about time to life ban this arse wipe?!? He contributes zero to the discussion and is solely here, as on all the boards he infests, to thump his 'Tebow is Lord God Almighty' spiel and cause as much disruption and controversy as he can.

That is his sole purpose.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but freedom to spew constant nonsense with ZERO redeeming value on such a board should have some limit ... somewhere don't we all think?

It was mildly entertaining in homeopathic doses last season, in the way that watching a train wreck in a fictional movie can be entertaining, but he has long ago outlived his shelf-life and welcome here, obviously.

Don't worry about McGruder, he will pop up on several other boards over night to feed the relentless beast that is his alter ego as Tebow's masked crusader!

Its off-season mode, either ban him or everyone else here should put him the ignore list en-mass.
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About Tebow they are.. they have never seen a player like him. Do you think Elway had any idea Tebow could get as far as he did with Elway sabotaging him?
Tebow sucks.
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Taco isn't it about time to life ban this arse wipe?!? He contributes zero to the discussion and is solely here, as on all the boards he infests, to thump his 'Tebow is Lord God Almighty' spiel and cause as much disruption and controversy as he can.

That is his sole purpose.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but freedom to spew constant nonsense with ZERO redeeming value on such a board should have some limit ... somewhere don't we all think?

It was mildly entertaining in homeopathic doses last season, in the way that watching a train wreck in a fictional movie can be entertaining, but he has long ago outlived his shelf-life and welcome here, obviously.

Don't worry about McGruder, he will pop up on several other boards over night to feed the relentless beast that is his alter ego as Tebow's masked crusader!

Its off-season mode, either ban him or everyone else here should put him the ignore list en-mass.
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:48 PM   #330
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About Tebow they are.. they have never seen a player like him. Do you think Elway had any idea Tebow could get as far as he did with Elway sabotaging him?
Why did Elway sabotage him? Why would Elway want his own player to do poorly?
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MacGruder, you remind me of that character Captain Aarfy Aardvark in the novel Catch 22.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Aardvark

"Captain "Aarfy" Aardvark is a fictional character in the novel Catch-22 by Joseph Heller. Aarfy is the navigator in Yossarian's B-25, noted for being oblivious to incoming flak, getting lost on missions, and his omnipresent pipe [Tebow]."

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Why did Elway sabotage him? Why would Elway want his own player to do poorly?
Just to play Devil's Advocate:

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I just put MacGruder on ignore, the first time Ive ever done that in 11 years here and it feels better already around the OM ... Try it folks, those 15 page nonsense threads signifying nothing shrink in no time flat!
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Why did Elway sabotage him? Why would Elway want his own player to do poorly?
I see what you did here. These questions allow MacGruder to further make himself look like an idiot.

Well done sir.
 
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By the way, the QB's in the final eight this year were Manning, Rogers, Schaub, Wilson, Ryan, Flacco, Brady, and Kaep. 6 of 8 arent exactly runners.

The GAME HAS CHANGED
Those guys aren't on bad teams... Tebow took the worst team in the NFL and beat the Steelers with them....

Peyton couldn't do the same thing...

Tebow made them the best rushing team in the NFL
 
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Yeah... and Luck played like Tebow... if he was a Tebow in which they actually let play...
 
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Why did Elway sabotage him? Why would Elway want his own player to do poorly?
Because Elway had no idea how to build around Tebow.. Elway had no clue what he was doing anyway... to give him such an unorthodox player is impossible for him to adapt to. He needed someone conventional at least. It was all about protecting himself.. so he threw Tebow under the bus.

I saw the same exact thing happen with Dirk Nowitzki... Avery Johnson had been made Dirk's head coach and at that time everyone said Dirk couldn't win a championship... Avery tried to force dirk to be a post player and threw him under the bus too... Avery got all the credit for the teams success Dirk got all the blame.. eventually Aveyr got fired... Dirk won a championshop,... then Avery got another job and was fired too. In both cases Elway and Avery couldn't adapt to the player who played unlike anything they were accustomed to. They didn't know how to develop them either.

Dirk was a 1 seed and lost to an 8 seed under Avery... Avery blamed him just like the Broncos blamed Tebow..

Both Dirk and Tebow revolutionized their positions and in both cases they said they couldn't be successful.

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Look at Luck's FG% and INTs... his INTs showed he played WORSE than Tebow... Tebow WON his first playoff game too...

And Luck played 4 years in a pro style offense against soft Ds... he should have been prepared... His dad was a NFL QB too.. Had a pro QB as a coach too..
 
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Because Elway had no idea how to build around Tebow.. Elway had no clue what he was doing anyway... to give him such an unorthodox player is impossible for him to adapt to. He needed someone conventional at least. It was all about protecting himself.. so he threw Tebow under the bus.

I saw the same exact thing happen with Dirk Nowitzki... Avery Johnson had been made Dirk's head coach and at that time everyone said Dirk couldn't win a championship... Avery tried to force dirk to be a post player and threw him under the bus too... Avery got all the credit for the teams success Dirk got all the blame.. eventually Aveyr got fired... Dirk won a championshop,... then Avery got another job and was fired too. In both cases Elway and Avery couldn't adapt to the player who played unlike anything they were accustomed to. They didn't know how to develop them either.

Dirk was a 1 seed and lost to an 8 seed under Avery... Avery blamed him just like the Broncos blamed Tebow..

Both dirk and Tebow revolutionized their positions and in both cases theys aid they couldn't be susccessful.

The Spurs happened. That's why Dirk didnt win championships. Good thing Manu fouled Dirk at the end of game 7.
 
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The Spurs happened. That's why Dirk didnt win championships. Good thing Manu fouled Dirk at the end of game 7.
Dirk never played with a complementary player... He still hasn't really. Yet he still accomplished far more than anyone said he could.
 
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I just put MacGruder on ignore, the first time Ive ever done that in 11 years here and it feels better already around the OM ... Try it folks, those 15 page nonsense threads signifying nothing shrink in no time flat!
Duh. If you don't like a poster put him on ignore and save yourself the aggravation. Duh, jebus. No reason to go on and on about a poster should be banned when the ignore feature is right there, jebus.
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Those guys aren't on bad teams... Tebow took the worst team in the NFL and beat the Steelers with them....

Peyton couldn't do the same thing...

Tebow made them the best rushing team in the NFL
Lol, wtf?
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:46 PM   #346
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Taco isn't it about time to life ban this arse wipe?!? He contributes zero to the discussion and is solely here, as on all the boards he infests, to thump his 'Tebow is Lord God Almighty' spiel and cause as much disruption and controversy as he can.

That is his sole purpose.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but freedom to spew constant nonsense with ZERO redeeming value on such a board should have some limit ... somewhere don't we all think?

It was mildly entertaining in homeopathic doses last season, in the way that watching a train wreck in a fictional movie can be entertaining, but he has long ago outlived his shelf-life and welcome here, obviously.

Don't worry about McGruder, he will pop up on several other boards over night to feed the relentless beast that is his alter ego as Tebow's masked crusader!

Its off-season mode, either ban him or everyone else here should put him the ignore list en-mass.
This.

Seriously, he is here to troll. Literally no one likes him.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:49 PM   #347
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I just put MacGruder on ignore, the first time Ive ever done that in 11 years here and it feels better already around the OM ... Try it folks, those 15 page nonsense threads signifying nothing shrink in no time flat!
Won't matter. Everyone quotes him.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:01 PM   #348
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No, I'm 99% sure he said they were keeping the system. I'm sure they tweaked some things, especially in overall game plan, but if anything, that was McCoy. I'm not sure how it could be branded a "Fox system" though.

If anything he might of imparted an overall philosophy on gameplan/playcalling. But he didn't bring in anything resembling his own offensive system, if such a thing exists. If he was using his own system in Carolina, he might want to blame that on someone else.

And IMHO Orton looked pretty equally terrible in his last few McDaniels game as he did in his first few McCoy games.
If you got a link, I'd love to see it. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't recall that at all. I do remember something about Brandon Lloyd being upset because he knew he wouldn't be getting the ball as much. The Orton numbers speak for themselves.

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I found this a rather interesting statement by Fox during the Orton/Tebow time: http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/1...orton-john-fox

Please note the comments by Fox in the above link: The hard part of the National Football League is that it's hard to master one offense, and when you spend too much (time) trying to master another one, there is not enough time that goes around, particularly with a new staff, a new offense, a new defense, really a new special teams coach as far as coordinators.

aaaaannnd here's the kill shot: With the Lockout, there was no way for the Broncos or Tebow to work on the offense. Remember, don't confuse Mike McCoy's return as offensive coordinator with the concept that the Broncos are running the same offense. They aren't. McCoy was running Josh McDaniels' playbook last year, and this year it's a McCoy/Panthers/Fox playbook. It's a new offense that Tebow did not have the opportunity to work on because of the work stoppage.

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Tom Brady was a 6th round pick... and he was a prototypical QB.. Tebow is far more unorthodox. Considering that it is easy to see how so many could miss on Tebow..

NFL teams nearly missed out on Steve Young too...
nobody almost missed out on Steve Young....he spurned the NFL for a then record $40 million contract to play for the upstart USFL. When the USFL was on the verge of folding, he was then selected by the Bucs in the supplemental draft for USFL players.
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What other explanation is there.. it's called cognitive dissonance... People are so conditioned to think a certain way that no matter what happens they refuse to believe it when it's proven wrong.

So you're saying your condition is cognitive dissonance?

Before Tebow came into the NFL everyone said the spread option would never work.. now it's going wild.. AFTER Tebow proved it could work....

I predicted this would be the new angle clowns like you would choose, since Tebow's career is over, I predicted that his worshipers would claim he pioneered the offenses that Cam, Russell, and Robert are now running...

Also, Fox is death to Qbs.. he did the same to Orton.. Orton's career is over too.

Orton's career isn't over....his career as a starter is. He has no one to blame but himself. It must pain you to know he'll still be on an NFL team years after Tebow is given his unconditional release.

Tebow gets blamed for Fox's offense.. he even made Peyton look terrible early on until Peyton starting running his own offense.

No, Tebow gets blamed for not being able to accurately throw a football...he has struggled to do so his entire NFL career.....which may only last a few more months.
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