Obama Sworn In

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Are you saying the Trogs held off on the Caribou Barbie stuff until after she resigned?

You aren't seriously arguing that Palin was VP or, god forbid, POTUS material......are you?

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

The last few elections have dispensed with the myth that any real experience is required.

Answer the question(s). There are a ton of books out there from people who were in the McCain camp who talked about how stupid she was and the endless hours they had coaching her up on simple policy discussions on subjects like NAFTA. She never, ever deserved to be on any of those debate stages and everyone with a brain in their head knows that.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Funny thing is, the worst thing you could say about Palin is she's a female Joe Biden.

You pretend to know what you're talking about, and expect to be taken seriously, and talk nonsense about "caricatures", and then you try to compare Sarah Palin to Joe Biden. This is stupidity on any level.

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Answer the question(s). There are a ton of books out there from people who were in the McCain camp who talked about how stupid she was and the endless hours they had coaching her up on simple policy discussions on subjects like NAFTA. She never, ever deserved to be on any of those debate stages and everyone with a brain in their head knows that.

Yup. Even McCain's campaign manager is on the record about what a loser she is. The one interview she did that wasn't controlled, the famous Katie Couric interview, she proved she couldn't answer even the most basic policy questions. She was a complete farce and an ugly symbol of the desperation of the GOP over the last several years.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Are you saying the Trogs held off on the Caribou Barbie stuff until after she resigned?

The criticism of that shallow idiot was earned, not fabricated.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TonyR

You pretend to know what you're talking about, and expect to be taken seriously, and talk nonsense about "caricatures", and then you try to compare Sarah Palin to Joe Biden. This is stupidity on any level.

No kidding. Biden may show symptoms of hoof-in-mouth disease at times, but to suggest that the resume and ability of Sarah Palin is anywhere near on par with Biden is so asinine as to barely deserve a response. Like him or not, Biden is one of the most accomplished and experienced politicians in Washington, and has been for decades.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

No kidding. Biden may show symptoms of hoof-in-mouth disease at times, but to suggest that the resume and ability of Sarah Palin is anywhere near on par with Biden is so asinine as to barely deserve a response. Like him or not, Biden is one of the most accomplished and experienced politicians in Washington, and has been for decades.

This is exactly what I was going to post. Nobody will deny Uncle Joe's verbal gaffes, but the dude has an impeccable record as a Public Servant. +1.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by TonyR

You pretend to know what you're talking about, and expect to be taken seriously, and talk nonsense about "caricatures", and then you try to compare Sarah Palin to Joe Biden. This is stupidity on any level.

Some people value a degree in Plagiarism and a worn-out seat in a Congressional office more than others I guess.

[BroncoBeavis]

Hey, here's a fun one, since it's the context this whole convo came up in.



I'd ask what you'd say about it if Palin had said it, but I know there's not a lot of evidence of that kind of honest introspection around here.

One would think Wags would devote at least maybe one of his hundreds of righteously indignant posts to it. But that's likely a bridge too far.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Some people value a degree in Plagiarism and a worn-out seat in a Congressional office more than others I guess.

Why you just happen to play contrarian on anything on this forum for ****s and giggles. Congrats.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Why you just happen to play contrarian on anything on this forum for ****s and giggles. Congrats.

Well someone has to knock on the commune door every now and again and remind you guys there's a whole other world out there.

I don't dislike Joe Biden. And at the end of the day my vote had nothing to do with Joe or Sarah. Neither did yours.

This is just a silly game we play to make ourselves feel better about a decision we already made for other reasons. But I don't think there's any call to be disrespectful to your opposition. Even if they don't meet your own obviously lofty standards.

The more we devolve into open disrespect and animus, the more broken the process becomes. Compromise is still necessary. But that's pretty tough if you've convinced yourself that those who don't agree with you are subhuman.

[BroncoBeavis]

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Come on kids, you just spent pages berating another poster for half-alluding to some stereotype nobody even really understood. Then you go straight from that to holding this guy's character up as unimpeachable.

How do you do that?

[BroncoInferno]

Beavis, you're being intellectually dishonest, as usual. It's already been acknowledged that Biden will put his foot in his mouth from time to time. But there is a clear difference between misspeaking and flat out ignorance. Sarah Palin did not know basic things that you learn in a civics class (she thought Africa was a country FFS), and could not handle softball questions from Katie Couric (i.e. name a Supreme Court case you disagree with, name one newspaper you read, etc). That wasn't just the opinion of liberal Democrats...many, MANY Republicans felt the same way and were embarassed over her nomination and said so publicly. To pretend that they are two sides of the same coin is ludicrous.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Beavis, you're being intellectually dishonest, as usual. It's already been acknowledged that Biden will put his foot in his mouth from time to time. But there is a clear difference between misspeaking and flat out ignorance. Sarah Palin did not know basic things that you learn in a civics class (she thought Africa was a country FFS), and could not handle softball questions from Katie Couric (i.e. name a Supreme Court case you disagree with, name one newspaper you read, etc). That wasn't just the opinion of liberal Democrats...many, MANY Republicans felt the same way and were embarassed over her nomination and said so publicly. To pretend that they are two sides of the same coin is ludicrous.

Well if this thread proves anything, one man's innate racism is another man's "foot in the mouth from time to time." Read back. Why were you guys so hard on one questionable sentence posted in this thread, yet pooh pooh numerous examples of the same thing (only worse) from one of your guys as "Lovable ol' Uncle Joe puttin' his foot in his mouth again"

That's pretty textbook "Intellectually dishonest"

Anyway, I'm glad you mentioned Couric, since it reminded me of this.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...n_history.html

He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

As Reason's Jesse Walker footnotes it: "And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, 'Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'"

And if I remember right, good ol' Uncle Joe prefaced this "history lesson" with a comment about how important it was to have a VP who knew what he was talking about.

[BroncoBeavis]

Oh, and BTW, the Africa story was likely a hoax. Not that something like that would change any of your critical thinking (as I alluded to earlier)

http://voices.yahoo.com/sarah-palin-...047.html?cat=9

The story that Governor Sarah Palin did not know that Africa is a continent appears to have been a hoax. What's more, the alleged source of the hoax, a "senior McCain advisor" named Martin Eisenstadt does not exist.
Martin Eisenstadt is the creation of a couple of film makers who also created a fake think tank for their creation to work for, the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy. There are also some clips of "Martin Eisenstadt" on Youtube and a blog which are also faked. The film makers claim that they created "Martin Eisenstadt" as a character for a proposed TV series.

Why did the story that Sarah Palin didn't know that Africa was a continent gain such credibility in the media? Part of the reason is that the Internet tends to magnify the old saying by Mark Twain that by the time the truth puts on its shoes, a lie can travel half way around the world. The Internet is the perfect vehicle for spreading rumor and innuendo.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Well if this thread proves anything, one man's innate racism is another man's "foot in the mouth from time to time." Read back. Why were you guys so hard on one questionable sentence posted in this thread, yet pooh pooh numerous examples of the same thing (only worse) from one of your guys as "Lovable ol' Uncle Joe puttin' his foot in his mouth again"

Context, Beavis. Clearly you're not a fan of it. nyuk nyuk claimed the first lady's actions somehow matched up with certain stereotypes regarding "black females." When questioned about those comments, nyuk nyuk refused requests to clarify any further and stood by the initial statement, then started just plain lying about what she and others had said. Biden actually apologized for his statement, and nothing he has done or said before or since that statement lends credibility to the idea that he's a racist. Nice try though.

That's pretty textbook "Intellectually dishonest"

On your part, yes. It's tempting to drop the "intellectually" since you do it so often.

Anyway, I'm glad you mentioned Couric, since it reminded me of this.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...n_history.html

And if I remember right, good ol' Uncle Joe prefaced this "history lesson" with a comment about how important it was to have a VP who knew what he was talking about.

According the McCain staffers, Palin could not name one country in the Axis Powers. Thought Africa was a country. Didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was. And on and on. And, you continue to ingnore the fact that the opinion that Palin was not fit intellectually to be VP or (god forbid) POTUS was damn near ubiquitous. Dozens of prominent Republicans came to share and express that opinion. Biden, meanwhile, is well respected on both sides of the aisle. But keep pretending they are the same. It only makes you look evermore foolish.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Oh, and BTW, the Africa story was likely a hoax. Not that something like that would change any of your critical thinking (as I alluded to earlier)

http://voices.yahoo.com/sarah-palin-...047.html?cat=9

Fair enough, but fortunately the case against Palin's fitness doesn't hinge on that one piece of evidence. We all heard her claim she had foreign policy experience because she could see Russia from her house, for example.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Biden actually apologized for his statement, and nothing he has done or said before or since that statement lends credibility to the idea that he's a racist. Nice try though.

Huh, the Indian - 7/11 thing didn't fit the bill? You kids are funny.

How about...

“I think that the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the Court is because he is black.

On your part, yes. It's tempting to drop the "intellectually" since you do it so often.

Uh,huh huh. Just wait for the next part.

According the McCain staffers, Palin could not name one country in the Axis Powers. Thought Africa was a country. Didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was. And on and on. And, you continue to ingnore the fact that the opinion that Palin was not fit intellectually to be VP or (god forbid) POTUS was damn near ubiquitous. Dozens of prominent Republicans came to share and express that opinion. Biden, meanwhile, is well respected on both sides of the aisle. But keep pretending they are the same. It only makes you look evermore foolish.

More awesome "evidence" based rationale. Your first claim was from a scene in an anti-Palin movie based loosely on a book about Palin. But that claim isn't anywhere in the book. And the author of that book says the "Axis Powers" scene in the movie never really happened. I've got further news for you. Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. That was a Saturday Night Live skit.

And then you go on to the debunked Africa lie again.

See really someone needs to come by every now and again and poke at the bubble of fiction you guys so blissfully keep yourselves in.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. That was a Saturday Night Live skit.

Here is the exact quote: "You can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska." So, she didn't technically say "from her house", but the stupidity of the comment given that it was to bolster her foreign policy creditionals is in no way altered.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin...GQxFBK1DcJ8.99

There's a clip of her comment at the link as well.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Well someone has to knock on the commune door every now and again and remind you guys there's a whole other world out there.

That is hardly what you do.

I don't dislike Joe Biden. And at the end of the day my vote had nothing to do with Joe or Sarah. Neither did yours.

Speak for yourself. There was no way in Hell I would have ever voted for McCain/Palin or Romney/Ryan, but I can assure you that Biden being the VP candidate on the DEM ticket was very appealing to me. He was who I supported in the 2008 primary process.

This is just a silly game we play to make ourselves feel better about a decision we already made for other reasons. But I don't think there's any call to be disrespectful to your opposition. Even if they don't meet your own obviously lofty standards.

Pointing out that Sarah Palin was not fit to be anywhere near the White House is not being disrespectful. It is pointing out the obvious. Anyone who paid attention during that campaign knows that.

The more we devolve into open disrespect and animus, the more broken the process becomes. Compromise is still necessary. But that's pretty tough if you've convinced yourself that those who don't agree with you are subhuman.

Hard to compromise with people as bat**** crazy as Palin.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Hey, here's a fun one, since it's the context this whole convo came up in.



I'd ask what you'd say about it if Palin had said it, but I know there's not a lot of evidence of that kind of honest introspection around here.

One would think Wags would devote at least maybe one of his hundreds of righteously indignant posts to it. But that's likely a bridge too far.

That would be called racist if it came from Romney. It would also be called classist, silver spoon, and generally out of touch.

The "morality" of the left is purely situational, as always.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Requiem

This is exactly what I was going to post. Nobody will deny Uncle Joe's verbal gaffes, but the dude has an impeccable record as a Public Servant. +1.

Case in point. When we do it, it's a gaffe. When they do it, it's because they're a racistlyingegotisticialsexisthypocriticalbigot.



Confirmation bias 101.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Here is the exact quote: "You can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska." So, she didn't technically say "from her house", but the stupidity of the comment given that it was to bolster her foreign policy creditionals is in no way altered.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin...GQxFBK1DcJ8.99

There's a clip of her comment at the link as well.

You realize I was trollin' with that comment. Didn't realize you'd pipe up with a "But it's half true!"

Listen, nobody thought Palin was the sharpest knife in the drawer. But objective people see the same streak in Joe Biden. The Biden/Palin paradigm is honestly a pretty good self-reality check. If you think either would make a great President, you've got issues.

Did any of you guys think there were TV's during the Great Depression? You can be honest.

[nyuk nyuk]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The criticism of that shallow idiot was earned, not fabricated.

So it's OK to call a conservative white person from a rural area a Caribou Barbie. Okay, so if someone called Michelle Obama a Ghetto Barbie, you wouldn't bat an eye because it's fair game, RIGHT?

No -- you'd tar them as racist and sexist.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Case in point. When we do it, it's a gaffe. When they do it, it's because they're a racistlyingegotisticialsexisthypocriticalbigot.



Confirmation bias 101.

Except with you it isn't a gaffe. That is just who you are.