How many years before Fox gets fired? - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

DENVERDUI55 · 01-24-2013, 07:29 AM

Just another armchair bronco garbage thread.

Armchair Bronco · 01-24-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DENVERDUI55

Just another armchair bronco garbage thread.

Cool post, bro!

But I disagree. This is a quality thread with a legit topic for a team that went (and will likely forever go) One and Done under John Fox.

bronco militia · 01-24-2013, 07:50 AM

this is a good topic....Bowlen is not as patient as he used to be.

IMO, that letter he sent to the fans after the B-more loss was a warning shot at the coaching staff.

TheReverend · 01-24-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

Cool post, bro!

But I disagree. This is a quality thread with a legit topic for a team that went (and will likely forever go) One and Done under John Fox.

...You realize we won a playoff game under Fox just last year, right?

Armchair Bronco · 01-24-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

...You realize we won a playoff game under Fox just last year, right?

Tebow won that game, not Fox.

Crushaholic · 01-24-2013, 07:56 AM

He coached the team to 8 wins, with the current Jets punt protector. He's still a great coach. If he DOES have some down years, he'll be allowed to quietly "retire".

TheReverend · 01-24-2013, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

Tebow won that game, not Fox.

...um, it by definition dismantles your "one and done" statement. This is precisely why no one could take your contribution toward the discussion seriously. If Manning drives down the field in OT, you'd say "he won that game, not Fox".

I think the Seahawks should fire Pete Carroll. After all, he's only been one and done... Russell Wilson won one game and Marshawn Lynch won another.

2KBack · 01-24-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

...um, it by definition dismantles your "one and done" statement. This is precisely why no one could take your contribution toward the discussion seriously. If Manning drives down the field in OT, you'd say "he won that game, not Fox".

I think the Seahawks should fire Pete Carroll. After all, he's only been one and done... Russell Wilson won one game and Marshawn Lynch won another.

Delhomme won all 3 of the playoff games in 2003 to get to the NFL Championship, not Fox.

Same for 2005 when they made the conference championship.

It was all Fox the 2 out of 5 playoff seasons his teams were one and done though.

So as you can see clearly here. All the games that Fox has an affect on are losses.

TheReverend · 01-24-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Delhomme won all 3 of the playoff games in 2003 to get to the NFL Championship, not Fox.

Same for 2005 when they made the conference championship.

It was all Fox the 2 out of 5 playoff seasons his teams were one and done though.

So as you can see clearly here. All the games that Fox has an affect on are losses.

Mike McCarthy will always be one and done. How many years before he gets fired?

2KBack · 01-24-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Mike McCarthy will always be one and done. How many years before he gets fired?

Probably around the same time as Belichick, because he can't win the big one. He's fine for the regular season and even the playoffs, but he will never win a championship.

Those superbowls weren't won by him....

2004 it was won by Corey Dillon

2003 was lost by Fox obviously

and in 2001 it was actually patriotism

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-24-2013, 08:59 AM

Lately, this Mane has been a visual equivilant to pulling that muscle or whatever in your taint.

R8R H8R · 01-24-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

Tebow won that game, not Fox.

Then Tebow also lost the next week to the Pats by 35 points, and he is solely responsible. Sorry, but you don't get to cherry pick which games a player is responsible for the win and which games the coach is responsible for the loss.

Coaches get the credit and blame for all wins and losses, on the teams they coach. That is the way it is and the way it will always be. If you believe otherwise, well as Rev said, you can't be taken seriously.

broncocalijohn · 01-24-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

So apparently you think that Fox will never be fired? Seriously? He's our coach for life?

No, just that you needed to bring it up like it was some master opinion by you. They either get fired or quit. Many times they quit when they see the writing on the walls. Fox is so far from a conservative game plan (in 2012) like Reeves was giving us.

BroncoBeavis · 01-24-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mwill07

can we at least wait for Fox to not win a divisional title before we talk about him being let go?

Phillip Rivers won Fox that first division title. Or so I'm told.

This is fun.

55CrushEm · 01-24-2013, 09:19 AM

Well, chalk me up as one who'd love to have Gruden coach our team. I always thought the guy wanted to get back into coaching, but maybe he really does like that ESPN gig.

He's a good offensive mind, a fiery guy......and he turned Gannon into a pro-bowler. See if he can get Manning his second (or more) ring.....then stick around to mentor Twilight.

Just a hope......but it won't happen.

cutthemdown · 01-24-2013, 09:34 AM

I'm guessing he hangs around for 4 yrs. 3 with manning and the first one without him. Then he's gone.

BroncoMan4ever · 01-24-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

I agree that Reeves was mega conservative. But his was a different era. He coached alongside "Ground" Chuck Knox, for example.

Fox is a tired, old school throwback with the mentality of someone from 1943. The game has passed him by and his p***Y tactics will doom the Broncos to One And Done status forever.

Yeah, the guy has turned the culture and attitude around the team from joke to a winner. 2 division titles and regardless of what fans see or think, this team has big deficiencies on MLB, DT, RB and lack of speed at WR. And the idea that he will tank his job and end up 2-14 is a joke. That happened when his old owner chopped his balls off and was prepping for the lockout by cutting salaries of players.

DENVERDUI55 · 01-24-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

Tebow won that game, not Fox.

Well if you want to get technical Demaryius won that game but Fox gets credit. HC gets the wins and losses.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 01-24-2013, 09:52 AM

There should be a mod option to strip certain posters from starting threads.

Tombstone RJ · 01-24-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

Look, even Shannyham got the heave ho eventually. If there is a truism in football, it's this: all coaches hang on too long, and most are fired well before they ride off into the sunset.

Trust me, Fox will be fired. The question is: WHEN?

depends on how many SBs the Broncos win with him.

ScottXray · 01-24-2013, 10:07 AM

My guess is he has to get a ring while Manning is here. If he goes all conservative and one and done again next year ( assuming we are in a similar playoff position to last) he might just be done next year. But probably he is here for all of Mannings run.

After all, look how well the Chargeless have done since they dumped Marty after a 14-2 season , but playoff loss. That's worked out REAL well for them.
A closing window was slowly, but completely, shut with Norv taking over. Supposedly he is a great OC, yet the team declined every year.

We have a new OC and despite the misgivings most have about Fox and conservative plays, I think the play calling will be more agressive next year.
McCoy being gone is going to be a plus. I have to assume that the coaching staff and Elway are as aware of the problem areas ( OL, DT, LB, RB that can POUND the Defense, CB/Safety, and KICKER) as anyone here. They will definitely do their best to address these. With better weapons the play selection should open up, not continue at the same level.

If bad coaching costs us another playoff exit early next year, Elways decision to throw the whole teams future on Manning will be in danger of being made out as a bad decision. He will not let that continue, and some heads will roll, and/or responsibilities be changed.

The Broncos wasted an enormous opportunity this year, and the motivation to get past that will be impressed on everyone. Use the past and move into the future, or get gone is the theme.

Play2win · 01-24-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Lately, this Mane has been a visual equivilant to pulling that muscle or whatever in your taint.

Lately?!?

Its been that way for a good 4 or so years.

I'll give you that it seems worse with the website being completely broken and non-functional and all.

Cito Pelon · 01-24-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

There should be a mod option to strip certain posters from starting threads.

He says something you don't like or don't agree with, so he shouldn't have a voice?

Cito Pelon · 01-24-2013, 12:07 PM

Fox is a good HC, he'd have to lose the team to get fired. It's tough to fire an HC that's liked and respected.

But like ScottXray said above, more getting out-coached in the playoffs and Elway/Bowlen could pull the plug.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 01-24-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

He says something you don't like or don't agree with, so he shouldn't have a voice?

No. But lately it seems there's quite a few stupid threads being started. This is just one example. Maybe armchair isn't worst but some of these threads are ridiculous. There's even a seperate thread started for an argument that was in another thread

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01-24-2013, 07:29 AM	#26
DENVERDUI55 Drunk on Arrival! New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,144 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	Just another armchair bronco garbage thread.

01-24-2013, 07:50 AM	#28
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,567	this is a good topic....Bowlen is not as patient as he used to be. IMO, that letter he sent to the fans after the B-more loss was a warning shot at the coaching staff.

01-24-2013, 07:56 AM	#31
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,039	He coached the team to 8 wins, with the current Jets punt protector. He's still a great coach. If he DOES have some down years, he'll be allowed to quietly "retire".

01-24-2013, 08:59 AM	#36
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,211 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Lately, this Mane has been a visual equivilant to pulling that muscle or whatever in your taint.

01-24-2013, 09:19 AM	#40
55CrushEm Wolverine or Superman? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North of Boston, MA Posts: 5,590 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Squid"Quan	Well, chalk me up as one who'd love to have Gruden coach our team. I always thought the guy wanted to get back into coaching, but maybe he really does like that ESPN gig. He's a good offensive mind, a fiery guy......and he turned Gannon into a pro-bowler. See if he can get Manning his second (or more) ring.....then stick around to mentor Twilight. Just a hope......but it won't happen.

01-24-2013, 09:34 AM	#41
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,418	I'm guessing he hangs around for 4 yrs. 3 with manning and the first one without him. Then he's gone.

01-24-2013, 09:52 AM	#44
Drunken.Broncoholic Steppin on feet Pickled in Orange and Blue Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Carmel Ca Posts: 6,197 Adopt-a-Bronco: LeLo Lang	There should be a mod option to strip certain posters from starting threads.

01-24-2013, 10:07 AM	#46
ScottXray Opinionated A**** Love Me some PANCAKES!** Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: PDX (Portland OR) Posts: 4,660 Adopt-a-Bronco: J. D. Walton	My guess is he has to get a ring while Manning is here. If he goes all conservative and one and done again next year ( assuming we are in a similar playoff position to last) he might just be done next year. But probably he is here for all of Mannings run. After all, look how well the Chargeless have done since they dumped Marty after a 14-2 season , but playoff loss. That's worked out REAL well for them. A closing window was slowly, but completely, shut with Norv taking over. Supposedly he is a great OC, yet the team declined every year. We have a new OC and despite the misgivings most have about Fox and conservative plays, I think the play calling will be more agressive next year. McCoy being gone is going to be a plus. I have to assume that the coaching staff and Elway are as aware of the problem areas ( OL, DT, LB, RB that can POUND the Defense, CB/Safety, and KICKER) as anyone here. They will definitely do their best to address these. With better weapons the play selection should open up, not continue at the same level. If bad coaching costs us another playoff exit early next year, Elways decision to throw the whole teams future on Manning will be in danger of being made out as a bad decision. He will not let that continue, and some heads will roll, and/or responsibilities be changed. The Broncos wasted an enormous opportunity this year, and the motivation to get past that will be impressed on everyone. Use the past and move into the future, or get gone is the theme.

01-24-2013, 12:07 PM	#49
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,192 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Fox is a good HC, he'd have to lose the team to get fired. It's tough to fire an HC that's liked and respected. But like ScottXray said above, more getting out-coached in the playoffs and Elway/Bowlen could pull the plug.