The More NFL I watch - The Orange Mane

Doggcow · 01-19-2013, 01:56 PM

The more I remember Pro Wrestling.

Is anyone REALLY surprised that that game was edged in Baltimore's favor? Or that Manning coming off an injury was scheduled to play all of his big matchups at the beginning of the Season (in case he got hurt possibly?) or other intricacies that seem to unfold, almost like they're scripted?

Of course the whole thing isn't (no way everyone could be in on it, and not discounting the work these guys do), but really you only need a holding call here or there to change the ENTIRE NFL SEASON, for example, the fake one on the dive play.

The more I watch, the more I see the "storylines" and the more I compare how games go and pivotal officiating calls to Vegas' lines. I just can't help but wonder.

bpc · 01-19-2013, 02:12 PM

Can't argue. With the pack of inconsistent called blatantly in the ravens favor, felt like I was watching the NBA.

RhymesayersDU · 01-19-2013, 02:23 PM

Waaaaaaaaaaaah.

go_broncos · 01-19-2013, 02:32 PM

People blamed me when i said games are fixed..

Chris · 01-19-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bpc

Can't argue. With the pack of inconsistent called blatantly in the ravens favor, felt like I was watching the NBA.

The NBA is a total joke. That's the biggest p***Y sport on the planet IMO.

razorwire77 · 01-19-2013, 03:09 PM

Officiating was terrible last week, but there isn't some grandiose conspiracy to get a Raven v. Patriot AFC championship. Brady vs. Manning would have been a much bigger media suck off.

DenverBound · 01-19-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by razorwire77

Officiating was terrible last week, but there isn't some grandiose conspiracy to get a Raven v. Patriot AFC championship. Brady vs. Manning would have been a much bigger media suck off.

That's not to say that the refs aren't affiliated in some way with the sports books or Vegas. It doesn't necessarily have to be the league pulling the strings. I'm sure through history this would not be unheard of in professional sports. I bet (no pun intended) the league did want a Brady vs Manning AFCC game. Doesn't mean the refs couldn't be influenced by other outside sources.

#tinfoilhatz

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-19-2013, 03:49 PM

Unless its some donaghy-esque situation, I'm gonna chalk it up to **** luck.

Why would the NFL be hellbent on a Ravens/NE matchup?

spdirty · 01-19-2013, 03:51 PM

My grandma (not the one that passed, this one is still with us) use to be married to a pro wrestler, and travel with him. Long before i was born. Ken Lucas was his name. She talks about him sometimes, when my grandpa isn't around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhoACWLxu6I

Of course he let her in on the, at the time, closely guarded secret that wrestling is/was fake. However, what drives me insane is the fact that he also told her that all pro sports are fake. I have argued with her so much about it. When we go to a casino in Laughlin or Vegas to gamble, I ask her to show me where it is that I can bet on the next pro wrestling match. She just will not ever stop. Last year it was "yeah that Tebow is great. They keep letting him win, maybe they'll let him win the Super Bowl this year."

She thought last week was the NFL trying to make money on all the gamblers betting on the broncos. She actually thought that Jacoby Jones, Rahim Moore, and Joe Flacco faked what they did. Please don't feed into my sweet old grandma's tinfoil hat conspiracies. The league wanted Manning/Brady. Probably also wanted Green Bay/Atlanta. The league is kinda pissy right now.

Crushaholic · 01-19-2013, 03:51 PM

While Brady vs. Manning is always a good story, the Ray Lewis story is better. If the Ravens get the favorable calls, once again, I won't be surprised...

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-19-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

While Brady vs. Manning is always a good story, the Ray Lewis story is better. If the Ravens get the favorable calls, once again, I won't be surprised...

How is the Ray Lewis story better? Peyton Manning was surveyed as the most popular player in the league earlier this year. Its a QB driven league. No one outside of baltimore really gives a **** about Ray Lewis

Crushaholic · 01-19-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

How is the Ray Lewis story better? Peyton Manning was surveyed as the most popular player in the league earlier this year. Its a QB driven league. No one outside of baltimore really gives a **** about Ray Lewis

I'm just thinking of the media perspective. Ray Lewis is retiring. Sure, they can rehash the previous meeting, between Brady and Manning. That's about it, though. There are a lot more stories that can be told, with Ray Lewis. You should know that. You're an official storyteller...

nyuk nyuk · 01-19-2013, 04:11 PM

Referees were horrible and borderline suspect but it doesn't change that our defense bled yardage and our offense had issues, esp. when Moreno went out.

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-19-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

I'm just thinking of the media perspective. Ray Lewis is retiring. Sure, they can rehash the previous meeting, between Brady and Manning. That's about it, though. There are a lot more stories that can be told, with Ray Lewis. You should know that. You're an official storyteller...

I dunno about that. I think you can spin tons more yarns with the Brady v Manning story than you can about Ray Lewis.

But regardless of that, the NFL doesn't need a publicity stunt, a ratings boost, or anything like that. It's king in this country and its not close.

BroncoBuff · 01-19-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by go_broncos

People blamed me when i said games are fixed..

There is no compelling reason to have fixed it for Baltimore, none.

Ray Lewis had his home finale ... his draw for the AFCCG pales next to Peyton's.

go_broncos · 01-19-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBound

That's not to say that the refs aren't affiliated in some way with the sports books or Vegas. It doesn't necessarily have to be the league pulling the strings. I'm sure through history this would not be unheard of in professional sports.I bet (no pun intended) the league did want a Brady vs Manning AFCC game. Doesn't mean the refs couldn't be influenced by other outside sources.

#tinfoilhatz

I agree..
If close relatives of refs bets in huge amounts, they will be compelled to call the game differently.
Also, we need to look at betting mafia that can easily influence ref's calls.
Last week's game was fixed by ref's.

enjolras · 01-19-2013, 05:26 PM

Nah...it's the modified Hanlon's Razor.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.

We witnessed incompetence. They don't call those hands to the face penalties against the Ravens if they were engaged in some sort of grand conspiracy.

Swedish Extrovert · 01-19-2013, 06:08 PM

Laughing at these conspiracy theorists.

There might be some bias.... there always is, no matter how hard to league tries to fight the image of bias. It is reflected in things like the number of Broncos in the hall of fame or the fact that coastal teams get much more media exposure than inland teams.

But that is simply the result of the fact the people like Roger Goodell, and the nice folks over at ESPN are all human, and capable of error, not some conspiracy.

I will admit, if the Ravens game is called fairly, than the Broncos probably win that game. Or if Rahim or Champ showed up, too, the Broncos probably win the game.

ZONA · 01-19-2013, 06:11 PM

It's not fixed. Just a really bad day for the officials.

I think the NFL needs to tweak a few things, but I know they won't because they're greedy bastards.

The game is much different today then it was 20 or 30 years ago. Players are faster, offenses play at a much faster pace, they pass more and they spread the field out more. I don' think refs can focus in on all the players as quick as they need to.

I'm all for the NFL having full time refs but I know they won't do it. But what I think they HAVE to do is have 4 groups that are full time. Those refs of course work the regular season but they're the groups that ref the playoffs. I don't think that's asking too much. I want the guys in stripes who are calling the playoff games to be full time and dedicate their focus for the entire year at improving their craft.

Wes Mantooth · 01-19-2013, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razorwire77

Officiating was terrible last week, but there isn't some grandiose conspiracy to get a Raven v. Patriot AFC championship. Brady vs. Manning would have been a much bigger media suck off.

Its Ray's last hurrah. That is plenty of suck off

go_broncos · 01-19-2013, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MariusPontmercy

Laughing at these conspiracy theorists.

There might be some bias.... there always is, no matter how hard to league tries to fight the image of bias. It is reflected in things like the number of Broncos in the hall of fame or the fact that coastal teams get much more media exposure than inland teams.

But that is simply the result of the fact the people like Roger Goodell, and the nice folks over at ESPN are all human, and capable of error, not some conspiracy.

I will admit, if the Ravens game is called fairly, than the Broncos probably win that game. Or if Rahim or Champ showed up, too, the Broncos probably win the game.

It doesn't matter..This league is fixed.
It is either done by NFL or ref's..

Swedish Extrovert · 01-19-2013, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go_broncos

It doesn't matter..This league is fixed.
It is either done by NFL or ref's..

You have brain damage. It's either from god, or self-inflicted.

go_broncos · 01-19-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MariusPontmercy

You have brain damage. It's either from god, or self-inflicted.

Same to you..

UberBroncoMan · 01-19-2013, 06:55 PM

There is one thing I can think of that could make a difference.

Being able to challenge penalties. By that I mean, you can throw the red flag and then challenge if something is or isn't a penalty.

Example: Throwing the flag on the interception TD to show Decker was PI'ed, or that Williams kicked Thomas as another PI.

That or force the upstairs to be able to flag plays, but then holding calls could get insanely abundant.

spdirty · 01-19-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

There is one thing I can think of that could make a difference.

Being able to challenge penalties. By that I mean, you can throw the red flag and then challenge if something is or isn't a penalty.

Example: Throwing the flag on the interception TD to show Decker was PI'ed, or that Williams kicked Thomas as another PI.

That or force the upstairs to be able to flag plays, but then holding calls could get insanely abundant.

Yeah, I wish we could review penalties or even non-calls.

01-19-2013, 01:56 PM	#1
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	The More NFL I watch The more I remember Pro Wrestling. Is anyone REALLY surprised that that game was edged in Baltimore's favor? Or that Manning coming off an injury was scheduled to play all of his big matchups at the beginning of the Season (in case he got hurt possibly?) or other intricacies that seem to unfold, almost like they're scripted? Of course the whole thing isn't (no way everyone could be in on it, and not discounting the work these guys do), but really you only need a holding call here or there to change the ENTIRE NFL SEASON, for example, the fake one on the dive play. The more I watch, the more I see the "storylines" and the more I compare how games go and pivotal officiating calls to Vegas' lines. I just can't help but wonder. Last edited by Doggcow; 01-19-2013 at 01:59 PM..

01-19-2013, 03:51 PM	#9
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	My grandma (not the one that passed, this one is still with us) use to be married to a pro wrestler, and travel with him. Long before i was born. Ken Lucas was his name. She talks about him sometimes, when my grandpa isn't around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhoACWLxu6I Of course he let her in on the, at the time, closely guarded secret that wrestling is/was fake. However, what drives me insane is the fact that he also told her that all pro sports are fake. I have argued with her so much about it. When we go to a casino in Laughlin or Vegas to gamble, I ask her to show me where it is that I can bet on the next pro wrestling match. She just will not ever stop. Last year it was "yeah that Tebow is great. They keep letting him win, maybe they'll let him win the Super Bowl this year." She thought last week was the NFL trying to make money on all the gamblers betting on the broncos. She actually thought that Jacoby Jones, Rahim Moore, and Joe Flacco faked what they did. Please don't feed into my sweet old grandma's tinfoil hat conspiracies. The league wanted Manning/Brady. Probably also wanted Green Bay/Atlanta. The league is kinda pissy right now. Last edited by spdirty; 01-19-2013 at 03:53 PM..

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01-19-2013, 02:12 PM	#2
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,566 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Can't argue. With the pack of inconsistent called blatantly in the ravens favor, felt like I was watching the NBA.

01-19-2013, 02:23 PM	#3
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Waaaaaaaaaaaah.

01-19-2013, 02:32 PM	#4
go_broncos Ring of Famer **** you Bill Vinovich Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 5,218 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	People blamed me when i said games are fixed..

01-19-2013, 03:09 PM	#6
razorwire77 Tapenade Swagga Splotchy Headed Assassin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 3,240 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mario Fannin	Officiating was terrible last week, but there isn't some grandiose conspiracy to get a Raven v. Patriot AFC championship. Brady vs. Manning would have been a much bigger media suck off.

01-19-2013, 03:49 PM	#8
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,211 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Unless its some donaghy-esque situation, I'm gonna chalk it up to **** luck. Why would the NFL be hellbent on a Ravens/NE matchup?

01-19-2013, 03:51 PM	#10
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,039	While Brady vs. Manning is always a good story, the Ray Lewis story is better. If the Ravens get the favorable calls, once again, I won't be surprised...

01-19-2013, 04:11 PM	#13
nyuk nyuk Owns scary-looking rifle Obstructionist Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: 5280 Posts: 2,828 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Referees were horrible and borderline suspect but it doesn't change that our defense bled yardage and our offense had issues, esp. when Moreno went out.

01-19-2013, 05:26 PM	#17
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,939	Nah...it's the modified Hanlon's Razor. Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. We witnessed incompetence. They don't call those hands to the face penalties against the Ravens if they were engaged in some sort of grand conspiracy.

01-19-2013, 06:08 PM	#18
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,932 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	Laughing at these conspiracy theorists. There might be some bias.... there always is, no matter how hard to league tries to fight the image of bias. It is reflected in things like the number of Broncos in the hall of fame or the fact that coastal teams get much more media exposure than inland teams. But that is simply the result of the fact the people like Roger Goodell, and the nice folks over at ESPN are all human, and capable of error, not some conspiracy. I will admit, if the Ravens game is called fairly, than the Broncos probably win that game. Or if Rahim or Champ showed up, too, the Broncos probably win the game.

01-19-2013, 06:11 PM	#19
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,359 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	It's not fixed. Just a really bad day for the officials. I think the NFL needs to tweak a few things, but I know they won't because they're greedy bastards. The game is much different today then it was 20 or 30 years ago. Players are faster, offenses play at a much faster pace, they pass more and they spread the field out more. I don' think refs can focus in on all the players as quick as they need to. I'm all for the NFL having full time refs but I know they won't do it. But what I think they HAVE to do is have 4 groups that are full time. Those refs of course work the regular season but they're the groups that ref the playoffs. I don't think that's asking too much. I want the guys in stripes who are calling the playoff games to be full time and dedicate their focus for the entire year at improving their craft.

01-19-2013, 06:55 PM	#24
UberBroncoMan Your Local Nostradamus ** you injuries, this ** Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,518 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ghost of Hillis	There is one thing I can think of that could make a difference. Being able to challenge penalties. By that I mean, you can throw the red flag and then challenge if something is or isn't a penalty. Example: Throwing the flag on the interception TD to show Decker was PI'ed, or that Williams kicked Thomas as another PI. That or force the upstairs to be able to flag plays, but then holding calls could get insanely abundant.