Was Hitler Anti-Gun? - The Orange Mane

Blart · 01-11-2013, 10:45 AM

Alex Jones claimed that Hitler took Germany's guns.

Because people take Alex Jones seriously, this notion has spread:

But Hitler didn't take anyone's guns - the Weimar Republic did, in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles.

When Hitler gained control,

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In 1938, under Nazi rule, gun laws became significantly more relaxed. Rifle and shotgun possession were deregulated and gun access for hunters, Nazi Party members, and government officials was expanded. The legal age to own a gun was lowered. Jews, however, were prohibited from owning firearms and other dangerous weapons.

Nazi Germany was more pro-gun than anti-gun.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...in-gun-control
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/fi...rt_fordham.pdf

Here's Alex Jones' response to this post:

spdirty · 01-11-2013, 06:51 PM

Found this on the ultra reliable wiki.

The 1938 German Weapons Act

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:

Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition."^[4]
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.^[5]
The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.^[5]
The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.^[5]
Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.^[6]

Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.^[7]

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany}

Anyway, don't know why you have such a hardon for Alex Jones. The guy discredits himself at least half the time he speaks. And while I do like some of his principles he destroys his credibility with some of his whacked out claims. By going around and bashing him all you're doing is getting his name out, which will in time help his popularity and put more money in his pockets while making our society dumber. Just ignore him. Eventually he'll go away like Glen Beck.

DenverBrit · 01-11-2013, 07:56 PM

Jones sounds like a Limbaugh wannabe on crack. What a tool.

cutthemdown · 01-12-2013, 02:57 AM

Who cares we don't compare to Nazi Germany an any way. We can make our own sensible gun laws. Remember though any executive order can just be simply overturned by any future President with a new executive order. The only way for real change is Congress. IMO some CA style regulations on clip size, background checks, waiting period for handguns wont kill anyone. But any sort of ban on guns, or making it super hard to obtain ammo, those things are unconstitutional IMO. Its fine for things like driving a car but not for a constitutional right.

Arkie · 01-12-2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Blart

But Hitler didn't take anyone's guns - the Weimar Republic did, in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles.

America today is more comparable to the Weimar Republic than Nazi Germany, but those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

BABronco · 01-15-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkie

America today is more comparable to the Weimar Republic than Nazi Germany, but those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

This

nyuk nyuk · 01-17-2013, 01:43 PM

The only reason Hitler would even come up is the usual attempts to wield him as a weapon.

Regardless of that, the Founding Fathers made it clear in their writings that the main motivator behind the 2nd amendment was self-defense from perils both external and internal. We've seen enough examples in history of what can happen when a citizenry has no ability to fight a government with a strong centralized power base. It's just too damned dangerous.

Unfortunately there are those who want us disarmed and make no hesitation to cash in on the bodies of children and movie-goers to do it.

DenverBrit · 01-17-2013, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

The only reason Hitler would even come up is the usual attempts to wield him as a weapon.

Regardless of that, the Founding Fathers made it clear in their writings that the main motivator behind the 2nd amendment was self-defense from perils both external and internal. We've seen enough examples in history of what can happen when a citizenry has no ability to fight a government with a strong centralized power base. It's just too damned dangerous.

Unfortunately there are those who want us disarmed and make no hesitation to cash in on the bodies of children and movie-goers to do it.

Who?

DenverBrit · 01-17-2013, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

The only reason Hitler would even come up is the usual attempts to wield him as a weapon.

Regardless of that, the Founding Fathers made it clear in their writings that the main motivator behind the 2nd amendment was self-defense from perils both external and internal. We've seen enough examples in history of what can happen when a citizenry has no ability to fight a government with a strong centralized power base. It's just too damned dangerous.

Unfortunately there are those who want us disarmed and make no hesitation to cash in on the bodies of children and movie-goers to do it.

No ****. The NRA, gun manufacturers and dealers are hitting another home run. They are shameless.

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Joe Scarborough accused the NRA and gun manufacturers on Friday of making "millions of dollars" off of the "slaughter" in Newtown.

Gun sales have surged in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre and the White House's stated plan to tighten gun laws.

Scarborough, who changed his views on guns after the killings, said that Republicans were wrong to try to block the new measures, and that they were beholden to gun manufacturers and the gun lobby:

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"This is not about protecting the Second Amendment. This is about gun manufacturers making millions and millions and millions of dollars. This is about retailers making millions and millions and millions of dollars. Do you know how much money these people have made over the slaughter of 20 innocents in Newtown? Do you know how much richer these rich gun manufacturers have gotten over the past month and how the NRA uses that tragedy to gin up fears and websites use that tragedy to gin up fears that they're coming to take your guns away? Hey, got a message for you. They can't take your guns away."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2463161.html

01-11-2013, 06:51 PM	#2
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,903 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	Found this on the ultra reliable wiki. The 1938 German Weapons Act The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law: Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition."^[4] The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.^[5] The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.^[5] The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.^[5] Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.^[6] Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year. On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.^[7] ^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany} Anyway, don't know why you have such a hardon for Alex Jones. The guy discredits himself at least half the time he speaks. And while I do like some of his principles he destroys his credibility with some of his whacked out claims. By going around and bashing him all you're doing is getting his name out, which will in time help his popularity and put more money in his pockets while making our society dumber. Just ignore him. Eventually he'll go away like Glen Beck.

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01-11-2013, 07:56 PM	#3
DenverBrit Just hanging out. Got a breath mint?? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 11,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Team	Jones sounds like a Limbaugh wannabe on crack. What a tool.

01-12-2013, 02:57 AM	#4
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,528	Who cares we don't compare to Nazi Germany an any way. We can make our own sensible gun laws. Remember though any executive order can just be simply overturned by any future President with a new executive order. The only way for real change is Congress. IMO some CA style regulations on clip size, background checks, waiting period for handguns wont kill anyone. But any sort of ban on guns, or making it super hard to obtain ammo, those things are unconstitutional IMO. Its fine for things like driving a car but not for a constitutional right.

01-17-2013, 01:43 PM	#7
nyuk nyuk Owns scary-looking rifle Governor No. 89148 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: 5280 Posts: 2,834 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	The only reason Hitler would even come up is the usual attempts to wield him as a weapon. Regardless of that, the Founding Fathers made it clear in their writings that the main motivator behind the 2nd amendment was self-defense from perils both external and internal. We've seen enough examples in history of what can happen when a citizenry has no ability to fight a government with a strong centralized power base. It's just too damned dangerous. Unfortunately there are those who want us disarmed and make no hesitation to cash in on the bodies of children and movie-goers to do it.