Whisenhunt to replace McCoy? - The Orange Mane

TonyR · 01-15-2013, 06:43 AM

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La Canfora reports that former Cardinals HC Ken Whisenhunt would be the leading candidate to replace McCoy in Denver, assuming that he himself doesn't land one of the vacant head jobs.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...-him-in-denver

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With McCoy coming off market look for Ken Whisenhunt as top candidate for Denver OC if he doesn't get Eagles job. Has relationship w/Manning

https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLaCa...90510587092993

Rulon Velvet Jones · 01-15-2013, 06:47 AM

No Tom Moore?

No matter the OC, I think it's clear who the real shotcaller is in this offense.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 01-15-2013, 06:51 AM

I like this hire, if it happens. Still kind of think he'll get a head job, though.

Having former head coaches as your top coordinators is a pretty damn good thing to have on your football team.

2KBack · 01-15-2013, 06:54 AM

There goes the run game I wanted

elsid13 · 01-15-2013, 06:54 AM

Interesting choice. It will be adjust to the offense but maybe that what we need now.

Armchair Bronco · 01-15-2013, 07:18 AM

The thing is: Fox has already said that 10 times out of 10 he'd run on 3rd and 7 in the playoffs, so I don't see how this hiring helps us.

Fox needs to go before this team can grow a pair.

go_broncos · 01-15-2013, 07:22 AM

May be experienced OC coach will convince Fox that we should not play conservative.

Killericon · 01-15-2013, 07:23 AM

One reason I'd love this hire is that Wiz seemed at his best with a veteran QB, and at his worst with a young one. So, if we're more worried about getting a ring with Manning than we are about developing Brock, this is great.

One reason I wouldn't like this hire is that even with Fox's hands-off approach to managing his staff, we'd still have two ex head coaches at the coordinator positions.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 01-15-2013, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Bronco

The thing is: Fox has already said that 10 times out of 10 he'd run on 3rd and 7 in the playoffs, so I don't see how this hiring helps us.

Fox needs to go before this team can grow a pair.

If you keep whining about it, I'm sure it will happen.

Maybe try stomping your feet.

BroncoBrett · 01-15-2013, 07:30 AM

Maybe he can bring Fitz here and remove him from that hole in AZ...

Taco John · 01-15-2013, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

There goes the run game I wanted

Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

Kaylore · 01-15-2013, 07:40 AM

John Fox offenses have historically run more than other teams. He usually finishes 50/50 in his ratio.

2KBack · 01-15-2013, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

I'm sure it will come back around...but it takes a while for eras to come and go like that. I will have to admit, that for the next couple years at least, we should maximize our strength, which would be our giant receivers and Manning (and our Giant QB after Manning).

Smiling Assassin27 · 01-15-2013, 07:48 AM

It already IS coming back in the form of the read option. Guys like Wilson, Kap, Newton, et al are not pocket passers, but hybrids that put up gaudy rush yards.

Drunken.Broncoholic · 01-15-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

Frank gore and ray rice?

Drunken.Broncoholic · 01-15-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

It already IS coming back in the form of the read option. Guys like Wilson, Kap, Newton, et al are not pocket passers, but hybrids that put up gaudy rush yards.

Those guys are good at throwing. You can't succeed in an option offense without passing the ball. Wilson is a highly underrated pocket passer IMO

2KBack · 01-15-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

It already IS coming back in the form of the read option. Guys like Wilson, Kap, Newton, et al are not pocket passers, but hybrids that put up gaudy rush yards.

Read option won't stick...it works....but it Kills QB's. The investments are just too important. Watch next season, when the defenses are instructed to Kill the QB....don't worry about fakes, just pound the QB.

ColoradoDarin · 01-15-2013, 08:01 AM

I'm ready to take a Whis

Rohirrim · 01-15-2013, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

If we'd had McGahee and Moreno healthy for that game Saturday, NE would be on their way here.

Smiling Assassin27 · 01-15-2013, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Read option won't stick...it works....but it Kills QB's. The investments are just too important. Watch next season, when the defenses are instructed to Kill the QB....don't worry about fakes, just pound the QB.

It's in its infancy in the NFL. The guys running it are bigger, stronger, faster, and more accurate throwing on the run. As with any offense, defenses adjust and then offenses adapt accordingly. YOu can't keep these guys in the pocket or you'll severely limit your chances of winning the game. The 'investment' is in a qb who can do what others like Manning, Ryan, et al can't. You protect it as best you can by limiting your risk while maximizing the reward, which means getting them out in space and running it wisely.

SonOfLe-loLang · 01-15-2013, 08:12 AM

Whoever Peyton wants.

socalorado · 01-15-2013, 08:16 AM

Brock Osweiller is excellent throwing on the run BTW.
Watched him do it countless times.
Just sayin.

Smiling Assassin27 · 01-15-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

Whoever Peyton wants.

This.

2KBack · 01-15-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by socalorado

Brock Osweiller is excellent throwing on the run BTW.
Watched him do it countless times.
Just sayin.

Brock is a mobile QB....a surprising athlete considering his height. We ran the option some in AZ with him.

lonestar · 01-15-2013, 08:46 AM

It is a matter of time before the DCs figure out how to stop the read option running game. When that happens those QBs will be forced to throw from the pocket with an occasional roll out.

As long as we have Manning I'll trust him to make the correct call after surveying the D.

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01-15-2013, 06:47 AM	#2
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	No Tom Moore? No matter the OC, I think it's clear who the real shotcaller is in this offense.

01-15-2013, 06:54 AM	#4
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,275	There goes the run game I wanted

01-15-2013, 06:54 AM	#5
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,081	Interesting choice. It will be adjust to the offense but maybe that what we need now.

01-15-2013, 07:18 AM	#6
Armchair Bronco Ring of Famer Call me "Old School"... Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,604 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darrien Gordon	The thing is: Fox has already said that 10 times out of 10 he'd run on 3rd and 7 in the playoffs, so I don't see how this hiring helps us. Fox needs to go before this team can grow a pair.

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go_broncos Ring of Famer **** you Bill Vinovich Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 5,218 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	May be experienced OC coach will convince Fox that we should not play conservative.

01-15-2013, 07:23 AM	#8
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	One reason I'd love this hire is that Wiz seemed at his best with a veteran QB, and at his worst with a young one. So, if we're more worried about getting a ring with Manning than we are about developing Brock, this is great. One reason I wouldn't like this hire is that even with Fox's hands-off approach to managing his staff, we'd still have two ex head coaches at the coordinator positions.

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BroncoBrett Beef curtains PFM!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Thornton, co Posts: 23 Adopt-a-Bronco: #11	Maybe he can bring Fitz here and remove him from that hole in AZ...

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Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,025 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	John Fox offenses have historically run more than other teams. He usually finishes 50/50 in his ratio.

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Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,967 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	It already IS coming back in the form of the read option. Guys like Wilson, Kap, Newton, et al are not pocket passers, but hybrids that put up gaudy rush yards.

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ColoradoDarin Ring of Famer AFCW Champs! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 5,523 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon's Shoe	I'm ready to take a Whis

01-15-2013, 08:12 AM	#21
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,216 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Whoever Peyton wants.

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socalorado Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,211	Brock Osweiller is excellent throwing on the run BTW. Watched him do it countless times. Just sayin.

01-15-2013, 08:46 AM	#25
lonestar Day One Fan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: West Texas Posts: 6,213 Adopt-a-Bronco: Decker	It is a matter of time before the DCs figure out how to stop the read option running game. When that happens those QBs will be forced to throw from the pocket with an occasional roll out. As long as we have Manning I'll trust him to make the correct call after surveying the D.