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Old 01-14-2013, 10:55 PM   #26
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Can anyone recall one solitary post by Vine that wasn't b****ing about this team?
No. and b****ing is putting it lightly. He reminds me of the hysterical chick in the movie airplane that everyone lined up to slap.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:56 PM   #27
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I've noticed you also try to bully people off the board that you don't agree with. It's getting tiresome.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:58 PM   #28
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Sources are indicating OrangeMane poster "Vine" has lost respect for John Elway. The Broncos organization has yet to comment on this situation. Developing #nfl

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Old 01-14-2013, 10:58 PM   #29
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I agree with a lot of your opinions regarding the Broncos. I would expect more of a honest reply than two of these unprovoked attacks on page 1 of this thread.
As you were polite and respectful in approaching me, I felt it only fair to edit my posts. I don't agree with you and don't think your posts the past few days are at all logical. But I will handle myself better.

Too easy to get caught up and angry! Better to be nice and and polite when I say your threads are absolutely insane!
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:00 PM   #30
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:01 PM   #31
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:10 PM   #32
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It's the same on any board too. His name was sportvine on other boards, he isn't very liked.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:15 PM   #33
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As you were polite and respectful in approaching me, I felt it only fair to edit my posts. I don't agree with you and don't think your posts the past few days are at all logical. But I will handle myself better.

Too easy to get caught up and angry! Better to be nice and and polite when I say your threads are absolutely insane!
How can anyone's posts be logical when your favorite team is stuck with a stubborn coach who fails miserably to maximize his team's chances of winning and is backed (at least publicly) by his boss?
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By being an adult.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:35 PM   #35
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I dont understand why fox's conservatism is necessarily a reason he will NEVER win a super bowl. We should have won this game despite it, and if Rahim Moore's fluke doesnt happen, maybe even because of it and i'd like our chances against anyone.

We have a super bowl caliber team. I truly believe that. Can we get better? Sure. of course. But there's a lot of talent on the roster.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:40 PM   #36
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I dont understand why fox's conservatism is necessarily a reason he will NEVER win a super bowl. We should have won this game despite it, and if Rahim Moore's fluke doesnt happen, maybe even because of it and i'd like our chances against anyone.

We have a super bowl caliber team. I truly believe that. Can we get better? Sure. of course. But there's a lot of talent on the roster.
What you have to realize though is the bigger the game the worse it gets with Fox. This is why I went nuts in the Pats game. When Fox realized after they beat the Steelers that they actually had a chance he lost his mind and went so completely conservative against the Pats it was unbelievable. He gift wrapped that game for Belichick. And then just like now the QB got the blame.
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I dont understand why fox's conservatism is necessarily a reason he will NEVER win a super bowl. We should have won this game despite it, and if Rahim Moore's fluke doesnt happen, maybe even because of it and i'd like our chances against anyone.

We have a super bowl caliber team. I truly believe that. Can we get better? Sure. of course. But there's a lot of talent on the roster.
The Broncos should have won that game yes. Then we would have had John Fox coaching versus Bill Belichick. . That is about as mismatched a coaching matchup I can possibly imagine.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:57 PM   #38
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:07 AM   #39
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What in the world would you expect him to say to the media? Don't be an idiot. Elway isn't going to publicly second guess his staff.
This.

I've already mentioned the same thing in the other 3rd and 7 topic. Elway for sure had his things to say and criticize the staff and John Fox's calls in this game. For sure he isn't going to say that **** in public and throw his staff under the bus.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:49 AM   #40
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Elway isn't going to publicly question people HE hired. This may be the biggest problem with guys like Jordan and Elway.. their ego prevents them from being accountable for their mistakes and they don't have the talent they did in their sport to save them.
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The Broncos should have won that game yes. Then we would have had John Fox coaching versus Bill Belichick. . That is about as mismatched a coaching matchup I can possibly imagine.
Right because belichick and fox would have played madden instead of an actual game. Gtfo
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:01 AM   #42
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John Elway isn't going to give an ultimatum. John Elway is going to get to work. The ultimatum is already there: this team expects to win a Superbowl. If you don't think John Elway takes this loss personal, then you don't know John Elway. You think he's happy about this?
Elway had to feel every bit of the weight of this loss, probably with flashbacks to that 96 (season) catastrophe vs. Jacksonville.

If anything, Elway will work just that much harder to make as certain as he can be that 2013 looks very much like 1997.
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:36 AM   #43
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That game had bad decisions all over. It was like Bane broke my back and put me in a cave and made me watch.
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Elway isn't going to publicly question people HE hired. This may be the biggest problem with guys like Jordan and Elway.. their ego prevents them from being accountable for their mistakes and they don't have the talent they did in their sport to save them.
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John Elway didn't attend the Jerry Jones school of Football Operations....

Its a good thing.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:02 AM   #47
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What in the world would you expect him to say to the media? Don't be an idiot. Elway isn't going to publicly second guess his staff.
Thank you. Damn Vine, it was one game. Albeit the most important game but damn what a season. Some of us have become spoiled, thinking we are owed perfection. After winning 11 games in a row I guess we were never supposed to lose again or we are crap. Where were we two years ago? Be thankful. I'm sure that no one feels worse about that game than that entire team.
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The Broncos should have won that game yes. Then we would have had John Fox coaching versus Bill Belichick. . That is about as mismatched a coaching matchup I can possibly imagine.
Actually that match-up happened. Fox let his QB air it out to the tune of 320+ yards and 3 TDs, including the game tying touchdown with less than 2 minutes remaining in the game. Unfortunately the other side had Tom Brady and got them in position for the game winning FG....again.

So I suppose Belichick w/Tom Brady at QB was about 3 points better than Fox w/Jake Delhomme. There's no way having Peyton Manning is worth an additional 3 points though. I see your point.
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Actually that match-up happened. Fox let his QB air it out to the tune of 320+ yards and 3 TDs, including the game tying touchdown with less than 2 minutes remaining in the game. Unfortunately the other side had Tom Brady and got them in position for the game winning FG....again.

So I suppose Belichick w/Tom Brady at QB was about 3 points better than Fox w/Jake Delhomme. There's no way having Peyton Manning is worth an additional 3 points though. I see your point.
John Kasay helped a lot with that by flubbing the ensuing kickoff out of bounds.
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