critical thinking about September 11, 2001

[defilade]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

And he's the troofers structural engineering expert.

You should see their demolition expert, stumpy.

Aha, I think Gage has thousands on his side that are Experts... some won major awards there fruitloop...

[defilade]

I guess all these EXPERT people are nuts too..

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

[defilade]

Is this Expert lying??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by defilade

Aha, I think Gage has thousands on his side that are Experts... some won major awards there fruitloop...

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by defilade

Is this Expert lying??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

He's obviously mistaken.

[defilade]

Oh boy, have to make ya look like an ass again.

See wing marks??




See no wing marks!



Guess the General was right! Feel like ya want to get away?

[DenverBrit]

. A trainee troofer.

If that's all you've got, you're a decade late. Come up with something that hasn't been laughingly debunked.

[defilade]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

. A trainee troofer.

If that's all you've got, you're a decade late. Come up with something that hasn't been laughingly debunked.

Yeah, you got me there, I see the wing marks... Sure was a plane!

[DenverBrit]

There's no way to sugarcoat this......but you're a simpleton!

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

1. Energy can only be expended once. If you look at the collapse videos -- one can clearly see that the top floors disintegrate before our eyes. They turn to dust in mid air.

This disintegration expends the potential energy contained in the top floors. Once it is expended -- that energy is no longer available to exert a crushing effect on the floors below. This is according to the law of conservation of energy.

Talk about babbling idiocy. Once again you demonstrate that you don't have the first ****ing clue about physics.

If you have m kg of mass @ h m height, you have mgh potential energy, no matter what the form of the mass. That the parts of the building were falling apart in no way "expends their potential energy". The only thing that expends* potential energy is FALLING.

1kg of lead brick @ 1m has *exactly* the same potential energy of 1kg of lead dust @ 1m (or 1kg of feathers for that matter).


* Energy is never "expended" it only is converted to other forms (including mass).

Also, the hammer effect is the result of the top 20 floors of the tower (which certainly did NOT disintegrate before the collapse) smashing into the lower 90 floors. See:

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

I doubt Gaffney could make himself look any more ridiculous, but he'll try anyway.

He pulled it off.

It's horribly clear that he has no understanding regarding the issue. He doesn't have the science mindset.

He doesn't understand, so he accepts troofer bull****, because he can't see where they're wrong. They tell a good tale, relying on their audience's ignorance, and the audience bites.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by W*GS

He pulled it off.

It's horribly clear that he has no understanding regarding the issue. He doesn't have the science mindset.

He doesn't understand, so he accepts troofer bull****, because he can't see where they're wrong. They tell a good tale, relying on their audience's ignorance, and the audience bites.

Troofer logic requires that they ignore facts and reverse engineer reality until it fits their conspiracy.

So they invent scenarios, plagiarize each other's theories and sign off on their fellow wacko's books and articles, ensuring a circle jerk of 'stupid.'

As you say, they rely on the ignorance of their audience as they pick their pockets without a thought about the victims or their loved ones.

If ever a group was despised by the 911 families, it's the troofers as they circle like vultures. Gaffney is small potatoes, but a troofer leach nonetheless. Without 911, he'd have to work for a living.

[defilade]

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
– Adolf Hitler

All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
– Adolf Hitler


I bet he's your Daddy!

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by defilade

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
– Adolf Hitler

All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
– Adolf Hitler


I bet he's your Daddy!

We're hitting the Reductio ad Hitlerum already?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

We're hitting the Reductio ad Hitlerum already?

Every time.

Only troofers know The Truth.

[DenverBrit]

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Talk about babbling idiocy. Once again you demonstrate that you don't have the first ****ing clue about physics.

If you have m kg of mass @ h m height, you have mgh potential energy, no matter what the form of the mass. That the parts of the building were falling apart in no way "expends their potential energy". The only thing that expends* potential energy is FALLING.

1kg of lead brick @ 1m has *exactly* the same potential energy of 1kg of lead dust @ 1m (or 1kg of feathers for that matter).


* Energy is never "expended" it only is converted to other forms (including mass).

Also, the hammer effect is the result of the top 20 floors of the tower (which certainly did NOT disintegrate before the collapse) smashing into the lower 90 floors. See:

Did you watch the collapse video carefully? Obviously not.

The top 20 floors of WTC-2 started to tip to one side- then simply turned to dust in mid air.

What did this? The only thing that could have done it is explosives.

You can also see the dustified material being ejected out and away from the tower. What did this? The downward force of collapse could not do it.

Falling dust cannot bring down the lower floors.

MHG

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Every time.

Only troofers know The Truth.

Well, but it has to go through three stages first...

[mhgaffney]

Here is the key photo of the Pentagon -- after the impact -- but before the collapse.

This photo should have received a lot of attention -- but I never saw it cited.

You can see the hole is much larger than we were led to believe. It is certainly large enough to accommodate a Boeing 757.

The plane hit the Pentagon at first floor level --

I have generally stayed out of the "what hit the Pentagon" debate -- because it is so contentious. IMO there is no doubt about the answer. It was flight 77.

The controversy has diverted people from the really important question, which is: who was flying the plane?

It certainly was not Hani Hanjour. The man was a flunky.

MHG

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Did you watch the collapse video carefully?

Yep.

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Obviously not.

Obviously, you're a Troofer Troll.

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The top 20 floors of WTC-2 started to tip to one side- then simply turned to dust in mid air.

Um...no. The bottom portion of the section crushed into the lower section as it collapsed and THEN turned to "dust." Just like the 3D modelling video shows. There's nothing "mid air" about it.

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

What did this? The only thing that could have done it is explosives.

No. Explosives are NOT the "only thing" which could have done that:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You can also see the dustified material being ejected out and away from the tower. What did this? The downward force of collapse could not do it.

You saying so doesn't make it so.

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Falling dust cannot bring down the lower floors.

Did you somehow miss Fedaykin's post where he stated:

"1kg of lead brick @ 1m has *exactly* the same potential energy of 1kg of lead dust @ 1m (or 1kg of feathers for that matter)."

You're just willfully stupid.

By the way, WHAT IS VENUS??

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Here is the key photo of the Pentagon -- after the impact -- but before the collapse.

This photo should have received a lot of attention -- but I never saw it cited.

You can see the hole is much larger than we were led to believe. It is certainly large enough to accommodate a Boeing 757.

The plane hit the Pentagon at first floor level --

I have generally stayed out of the "what hit the Pentagon" debate -- because it is so contentious. IMO there is no doubt about the answer. It was flight 77.

The controversy has diverted people from the really important question, which is: who was flying the plane?

It certainly was not Hani Hanjour. The man was a flunky.

MHG

Ah, trooferisms: Move on from one debunked conspiracy theory and replace it with another.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Did you watch the collapse video carefully? Obviously not.

The top 20 floors of WTC-2 started to tip to one side- then simply turned to dust in mid air.

What did this? The only thing that could have done it is explosives.

You love to just make **** up don't you? The top 20 floors did not just *poof* into dust. They were quickly obscured by a dust cloud created as the two parts of the building smashed into each other, but they did not, as you suggest, just *poof* into dust.

You can also see the dustified material being ejected out and away from the tower. What did this? The downward force of collapse could not do it.

So no lateral forces great enough to operate on dust can be generated by the collapse of a building huh?

Falling dust cannot bring down the lower floors.

MHG

Once again for the idiot: hundreds of millions of kg of dust (even though it was not all "dustified") is still 100's of millions of kg.

[defilade]

Here is a simple experiment for you Morons... Fire up that Gas grill and crank it up as high as it will go. Let it run for hours.. notice something Gee! those steel grates did'nt melt under a perfect constant flame (Which the steel from the WTC could not receive from OFFICE FIRES) Talk about an easy way to de-bunk the official story!!

OFFICE FIRES!!

How's that Steel holding up!!

[W*GS]

NTSA.

[defilade]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

Yep.


Obviously, you're a Troofer Troll.



Um...no. The bottom portion of the section crushed into the lower section as it collapsed and THEN turned to "dust." Just like the 3D modelling video shows. There's nothing "mid air" about it.



No. Explosives are NOT the "only thing" which could have done that:





You saying so doesn't make it so.





Did you somehow miss Fedaykin's post where he stated:

"1kg of lead brick @ 1m has *exactly* the same potential energy of 1kg of lead dust @ 1m (or 1kg of feathers for that matter)."

You're just willfully stupid.

By the way, WHAT IS VENUS??

Did you say something about Gravity?? Gravity pulls down IDIOT, it does'nt blow steel and concrete 300 feet from the building! wow, can you too butter bread?