critical thinking about September 11, 2001

[mhgaffney]

Richard Gage presents a 10-minute primer on 9/11

that will change the way you think about the issue.

Not to be missed...

http://youtu.be/vZAHp_zSGd8

[DenverBrit]

It's pathetic that you continue to use that debunked con man and pseudo 'architect' then run over here expecting to be taken seriously.

Here's his 'masterpiece' of stupid.

[W*GS]

Thanks for the most ironic thread title in quite some time, gaffe.

BTW, what's Venus?

When was America at its best, and what are your reasons?

See if you can herald the new year with some balls.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

It's pathetic that you continue to use that debunked con man and pseudo 'architect' then run over here expecting to be taken seriously.

Here's his 'masterpiece' of stupid.

Debunked?

I'd like to see a shot of Brit early in the morning -- before he's put in his false teeth.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Debunked?

I'd like to see a shot of Brit early in the morning -- before he's put in his false teeth.

Was that why Gage acted like a clown with little boxes, it was early and his teeth were still in a jar by the door??

Ok, that explains everything.

[defilade]

Holy ****!! Nope, can't believe anymore that the cave men did it. That's a freakin Fairy tale!

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Richard Gage presents a 10-minute primer on 9/11

that will change the way you think about the issue.

Not to be missed...

http://youtu.be/vZAHp_zSGd8

Coming from the person on this board with perhaps the worst critical thinking skills, this is... cute.

[W*GS]

Book sales musta dipped a bit - time for gaffe to do a sales pitch again.

red-mercury-powered-pure-fusion-mini-nukes, eh?

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Was that why Gage acted like a clown with little boxes, it was early and his teeth were still in a jar by the door??

Ok, that explains everything.

The principle of physics he is explaining is valid. Try using your pea sized brain to understand what he is saying.

The upper floors of the WTC disintegrated before our eyes -- turned to dust -- and therefor cannot provide the mass which (we are told) caused the "classical collapse"

Of course, there is no such thing as a "classical collapse" when it comes to high rise steel buildings. Not a one had ever failed before 9/11 -- nor has any since - though three (count them, 1,2,3) failed on that one day.

Nor have the collapses been explained satisfactorily (except by us conspiracy theorists). 1700 architects and engineers now agree.

MHG

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Thanks for the most ironic thread title in quite some time, gaffe.

BTW, what's Venus?

When was America at its best, and what are your reasons?

See if you can herald the new year with some balls.

You are scamming the board again with your off topic posts. Either address the topic or get the **** out of here.

MHG

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You are scamming the board again with your off topic posts. Either address the topic or get the **** out of here.

Chicken. We all know that asking you about the nature of Venus is a Zionist trick.

PS - That's you on the platter, son. Cooked to crispy deliciousness.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The principle of physics he is explaining is valid.

How the **** would you know, moron?

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Try using your pea sized brain to understand what he is saying.

You're the expert on peabrains.

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The upper floors of the WTC disintegrated before our eyes -- turned to dust -- and therefor cannot provide the mass which (we are told) caused the "classical collapse"

No.

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Nor have the collapses been explained satisfactorily (except by us conspiracy theorists). 1700 architects and engineers now agree.

No.

Whatever happened to red-mercury-powered pure-fusion mini-nukes, boy?

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The principle of physics he is explaining is valid. Try using your pea sized brain to understand what he is saying.

The upper floors of the WTC disintegrated before our eyes -- turned to dust -- and therefor cannot provide the mass which (we are told) caused the "classical collapse"

Of course, there is no such thing as a "classical collapse" when it comes to high rise steel buildings. Not a one had ever failed before 9/11 -- nor has any since - though three (count them, 1,2,3) failed on that one day.

Nor have the collapses been explained satisfactorily (except by us conspiracy theorists). 1700 architects and engineers now agree.

MHG

Absolute nonsense, but believing that bs is crucial for the troofers and their wacky conspiracy theories.
Without that lie, they have NOTHING but money grubbing schemes to fleece the gullible.

Gaffeny, this crap was put to bed years ago. Get a ****ing life!

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Absolute nonsense, but believing that bs is crucial for the troofers and their wacky conspiracy theories.
Without that lie, they have NOTHING but money grubbing schemes to fleece the gullible.

Gaffeny, this crap was put to bed years ago. Get a ****ing life!

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

The Physics 101 in that URL are waaaaaaaay over gaffe's head.

Probably a Zionist trick.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by W*GS

The Physics 101 in that URL are waaaaaaaay over gaffe's head.

Probably a Zionist trick.

Gaffney doesn't read anything other than trooferese.

The second video, clearly blows the troofer 'free fall' nonsense out of the water.

But of course, those videos were, as you say, a Zionist trick.....along with the 'hologram' and 'radio controlled planes.'

Gage, however, was last seen supervising the renovation of a school gym.....he's that good an architect.

[W*GS]

Evidence for Nuclear Fission at the WTC

One of gaffe's past loads o' bilge...

The **** just flows fast and furious from that peabrain of his.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Evidence for Nuclear Fission at the WTC

One of gaffe's past loads o' bilge...

The **** just flows fast and furious from that peabrain of his.

Based upon his paranoid and delusional posts, he should consider testing for early onset dementia.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Gaffney doesn't read anything other than trooferese.

The second video, clearly blows the troofer 'free fall' nonsense out of the water.

But of course, those videos were, as you say, a Zionist trick.....along with the 'hologram' and 'radio controlled planes.'

Gage, however, was last seen supervising the renovation of a school gym.....he's that good an architect.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conceded in its final report in 2008 that WTC 7 fell at free fall for 2+ seconds.

This is fact -- not mhgaffney's opinion. Gage is correct.

MHG

[mhgaffney]

You can download NIST's final report on WTC-7.

Not that you clowns will look at it.

http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publi...?pub_id=861610

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You can download NIST's final report on WTC-7.

Not that you clowns will look at it.

I read it before you even knew about it, dick.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I read it before you even knew about it, dick.

You lie.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conceded in its final report in 2008 that WTC 7 fell at free fall for 2+ seconds.

This is fact -- not mhgaffney's opinion. Gage is correct.

MHG

Explain the errors in the calculations, video and sound. This is all out of your league, but try anyway.

Remember, that you didn't understand the difference between heat and temperature.

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

And Gage has been debunked as the unqualified, money grubber that he is. His qualifications have nothing to do with structural engineering, metallurgy or demolition. But he's good at duping troofers and picking their pockets.

You're two of a kind.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

You lie.

Nope.

[mhgaffney]

You will find the pertinent passage on page 45 of the NIST report.

Here is the pdf -- a quick 5 mg download:
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

Here is the passage on page 45. I have hi-lited the key phrases:

In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as the buckled columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories or 32.0 m (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s.

For those who do not know physics, "gravitational acceleration" means free fall.

The next page (p 46) has a graph where the free fall of WTC-7 is plotted for approximately 2 seconds.

I know there are people of integrity here in the US. Very few of them can be found on this board.

I post for thinking people who occasionally drop into the forum. With a few exceptions, the residents are a bunch of idiots.

As Allen Dulles said in defense of the Warren Commission Report on the JFK assassination: "Don't worry, Americans do not read reports."
MHG

[DenverBrit]

Seriously, Gaffney, you're grasping at straws.

There has only been one peer review paper written about the collapse.

What is your opinion of this paper reviewed by some of the most eminent experts in their field.

Why is it wrong and why would only unqualified conspiracy nuts think so??

Ok, you're up!

Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).

That means it's not just a document, book, web site or calculation on a forum. It's had to pass critical review by other engineering Professors.

I know there are CT sites which attack this paper but not one person has yet to disprove its hypothesis professionally. There are still people attacking the theory of evolution. Anyone can attack, not many can produce a paper to back it up. Just as there is no "theory of intelligent design" except on Christian web sites, there are no alternatives to this paper other than in CT sites and books."

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

The paper... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

http://www.pubs.asce.org/journals/edem.html

Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Boulder
corotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty...le.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html

Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego
http://kudu.ucsd.edu/

Henri Gavin, Duke University
http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php

Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota
http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/

Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology
http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html

Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/

Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan
http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras
http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep_...n.asp?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary
http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar...demicAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago
http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/facult...culty_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology
http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation
http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University
http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff/...adjis_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado
http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty.../people.cgi?xi



Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair
http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE
http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE
http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE
http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?id=2354&...tegory&op=show

Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact

Journal of Engineering Mechanics

http://www.debunking911.com/paper.htm