Elway: The Broncos were in the worst shape ever when I took over

[Kaylore]

No one has a problem with opinions, Lonestar. I've agreed with many things you've said in some measure, actually. The problem is the way you disagree and post in a manner that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot and that you are the smartest man in the room. Honestly, it reminds me of one of Josh McDaniels' press conferences, where you are so annoyed at how stupid everyone is and hate wasting the time to even explain it.

Which of course begs the question, are you even having fun? Why do you post here? You seem absolutely miserable. Totally serious, I thought you were going to leave in disgust two months ago, but you keep soldiering on. Why?

[stopgap]

Originally Posted by Taco John

There a lot of things that you SAY you personally would do, but show no signs of actually personally doing it.

I'm not here to be the lord and leader of everybody. I'm a guy running a forum to have fun, not to jump at every command of people who want the universe to be ordered around them. Get in line of the people who are disappointed in what a cretin I am.

^^ Sounds like a pretty grounded admin to me.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Lonestar is the kind of guy who peeks out from behind the curtains in his house, holding the sprinkler controls in his hands, waiting for the kids to let out of school and walk on his lawn.

Once again attack the poster opposed to debate the post. Typical.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by stopgap

^^ Sounds like a pretty grounded admin to me.

Well what do you know? TJ's a buffoon! A buffoon, I say!

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

That's all well and good, but who is the girl in your avatar?

You don't remember?

You meet her in a LoDo bar and was going to score by taking her back to your dorm until your buddy threw up all over her.


See, it never gets old.

[stopgap]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Well what do you know? TJ's a buffoon! A buffoon, I say!

A light-hearted attitude that doesn't take following their team all that too seriously is ok in my book.

I blame the fact that only 16 games are played in regular season. Puts way too much time in fan's hands (especially now that forums are at all all time high) to think about something to b**** about politically, off-field, or what BSPN says.

League needs an NBA-type sched IMO.

[Requiem]

see here aer teH facts. teh bronCos nEver da Same afte rMike dafted all those DUI bois and dummies. jack McDanIEls bUilt this city. as for these fan boi kiddies who gru up on fantasy football and madden, i say i was hree first. biger and more knowledgeable fan cause i saw day first game. No emotioSN here. jsut telling it like it is. if you don't like it, well so be it, but tat is the oost commen liberal tactic.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by stopgap

A light-hearted attitude that doesn't take following their team all that too seriously is ok in my book.

I blame the fact that only 16 games are played in regular season. Puts way too much time in fan's hands (especially now that forums are at all all time high) to think about something to b**** about politically, off-field, or what BSPN says.

League needs an NBA-type sched IMO.

Yes, we need 81 games in 4 months. Lazy ass football players.

You are not for real.

[lonestar]

Now mikey or political figures are fair game, but it is a rare post where I have called you or anyone else a name. Especially in the football side,of the forums.

RIF

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Tanashan, Tahashan, Tahashan.

And it is Tanahan

[vancejohnson82]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I think I would shed definitive tears to see Champ Bailey hoisting a Superbowl trophy. Resigning him was the best move that Elway could have possibly made at that time, and Bailey will go down in Broncos history as one of the most loved players of this franchise.

Will definitely be a Top 5 moment for me as far as broncos memories go

[stopgap]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Yes, we need 81 games in 4 months. Lazy ass football players.

You are not for real.

Please tell me you knew that was all in jest right?

oh, and it's 82 games

[bowtown]

This thread has ROF potential... or might be destined for The Butt. Can't tell yet but by all means, proceed.

[Jetland]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

No one has a problem with opinions, Lonestar. I've agreed with many things you've said in some measure, actually. The problem is the way you disagree and post in a manner that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot and that you are the smartest man in the room. Honestly, it reminds me of one of Josh McDaniels' press conferences, where you are so annoyed at how stupid everyone is and hate wasting the time to even explain it.

Which of course begs the question, are you even having fun? Why do you post here? You seem absolutely miserable. Totally serious, I thought you were going to leave in disgust two months ago, but you keep soldiering on. Why?

he is here to teach us as he is wise

[vancejohnson82]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

The second season under McDaniels was not fun for me. It wasn't even worth it to log in. So I did other things. Last season was fun sans the Teboners. I am SOOOOOO glad they are gone. There are still Tebow apologists around here, but I'm ok with that. I liked Tebow. I just am glad we're going in another direction. His hard core followers could not be reasoned with, though.

the second McDaniels season was really tough in here. Lots of namecalling and hindsight. After the 6-0 start it was a rough go

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by stopgap

Please tell me you knew that was all in jest right?

I think I wrote "You are not for real".

Yes, I felt it might be sarcasm or fake.

[stopgap]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

I think I wrote "You are not for real".

Yes, I felt it might be sarcasm or fake.

All good. Just wanted to make sure you didn't actually think I wanted to propose back to back games and what not.

Would be interesting though.

[ColoradoDarin]

Originally Posted by stopgap

All good. Just wanted to make sure you didn't actually think I wanted to propose back to back games and what not.

Would be interesting though.

Expand the rosters to 106, double the coaching staffs, Goodell can think of the $$$$!!!

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Are you really sure it was a shot at just Josh?

Was it something else?

Perhaps we take it to literal and he was talking more about the the state of the franchise, note he did not talk about players or coaches but the actual relationship of the fans with the Broncos and the fall off of ticket holders and confidence of the fans.

Maybe we as forum members read more into those comments than we should have.

Food for thought.

Thanks for your commentary. Even if you do not agree your not going for the throat like so many others..

Folks here seem to forget this is a discussion forum to put out ideas.

If everyone agreed on everything it would be a dull place to come.

Have a great day.

Yes, I do believe it was a direct and deserved shot at McDaniels by Elway... and at a 4-12 season that resulted in the #2 overall pick in the draft. I think we can all agree that 4-12 and #2 overall is... subpar. And really, unacceptable. To Elway, it was unacceptable. We Broncos fans are somewhat spoiled; the team hasn't truly sucked (until McDaniels) since the 60's, early 70s. Yes, we had some "mediocre" years but during the Shanahan years, I don't think we ever picked in the top ten.

Nope. Not a single pick in the top ten:
2008: Ryan Clady #12
2007: Jarvis Moss #17
2006: Jay Cutler #12
2005: Darrent Williams #56 (our 1st pick was in the 2nd round)
2004: DJ Williams #17
2003: George Foster #20
2002: Ashley Lelie: #19
2001: Willie Middlebrooks #24
2000: Deltha O'Neal #15
1999: Al Wilson #31
1998: Marcus Nash #30
1997: Trevor Pryce #28
1996: John Mobley #15
1995: Jamie Brown #121 (our 1st pick was in the 4th round).

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../den/draft.htm

[Requiem]

Good post, Blue. Traded up for Cutler and Moss.

[orinjkrush]

Joshies Draft picks:

RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 Demaryius ThomasWR Georgia Tech.....keeper
1 25 Tim TebowQB Florida.....indeterminant but looking like bust
2 45 Zane BeadlesG Utah......keeper
3 80 J.D. WaltonC Baylor......indeterminant, line got better with Koppen
3 87 Eric DeckerWR Minnesota....keeper
5 137 Perrish CoxCB Oklahoma State.....gone (2nd string SF)
6 183 Eric OlsenG Notre Dame ...gone (2nd string NO)
7 225 Syd'Quan ThompsonDB California...gone not playing
7 232 Jammie KirlewDE Indiana....gone...not playing
2009 - DENVER BRONCOS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 12 Knowshon MorenoRB Georgia....indeterminant (2nd string DEN)
1 18 Robert AyersLB Tennessee....keeper...(2nd string DEN)
2 37 Alphonso SmithDB Wake Forest.....gone (part timer DET)
2 48 Darcel McBathDB Texas Tech...gone (3rd string SF)
2 64 Richard QuinnTE North Carolina...gone(3rd string CIN)
4 114 David BrutonDB Notre Dame.....? (2nd string DEN)
4 132 Seth OlsenG Iowa....gone (3rd string IND)
5 141 Kenny McKinleyWR South Carolina....suicide...RIP
6 174 Tom BrandstaterQB Fresno State....gone..not playing
7 225 Blake SchlueterC Texas Christian....gone not playing

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Despite inheriting a team ranked 2nd in the NFL in total offense in 2008, McDaniels fires all of Denver’s offensive assistant coaches except running backs coach, Bobby Turner, and offensive line coach, Rick Dennison. McDaniels’ decision to fire quarterbacks coach, Jeremy Bates, particularly irks quarterback Jay Cutler who had passed for 4,526 yards and 25 touchdowns and made the Pro Bowl with Bates as his position coach in 2008

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Where a lot of those that are very young and know nothing about broncos prior to mikey I see their emotional attachment to him.

I'm pushing 40, and my emotional attachment to Shanahan has to do with what I knew about the Broncos prior to him joining the team - starting with what he did for John Elway the young player, and moving towards what he did for John Elway the old player (And that's without even mentioning Mike Shanahan taking the team from out of the wilderness and into the promised land).

Mike Shanahan is one of the best things to ever have had happen to the Broncos franchise.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Yes, I do believe it was a direct and deserved shot at McDaniels by Elway... and at a 4-12 season that resulted in the #2 overall pick in the draft. I think we can all agree that 4-12 and #2 overall is... subpar. And really, unacceptable. To Elway, it was unacceptable. We Broncos fans are somewhat spoiled; the team hasn't truly sucked (until McDaniels) since the 60's, early 70s. Yes, we had some "mediocre" years but during the Shanahan years, I don't think we ever picked in the top ten.

Nope. Not a single pick in the top ten:
2008: Ryan Clady #12
2007: Jarvis Moss #17
2006: Jay Cutler #12
2005: Darrent Williams #56 (our 1st pick was in the 2nd round)
2004: DJ Williams #17
2003: George Foster #20
2002: Ashley Lelie: #19
2001: Willie Middlebrooks #24
2000: Deltha O'Neal #15
1999: Al Wilson #31
1998: Marcus Nash #30
1997: Trevor Pryce #28
1996: John Mobley #15
1995: Jamie Brown #121 (our 1st pick was in the 4th round).

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../den/draft.htm

Blue, maybe next time to prove your point, don't put the names of our 1st rounders. Good God Shanny missed on a ton of those. Middlebrooks? Foster? Nash? Not that it was a total cluster **** but some bad memories.

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by DAN_BRONCO_FAN

Despite inheriting a team ranked 2nd in the NFL in total offense in 2008, McDaniels fires all of Denver’s offensive assistant coaches except running backs coach, Bobby Turner, and offensive line coach, Rick Dennison. McDaniels’ decision to fire quarterbacks coach, Jeremy Bates, particularly irks quarterback Jay Cutler who had passed for 4,526 yards and 25 touchdowns and made the Pro Bowl with Bates as his position coach in 2008

Obviously, not an original thought. If it was, I would have run out of breath trying to read one long sentence. Put the link Bronco Rob.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Originally Posted by lonestar

I'm on a ranch in the middle of moffat county. No Cable available so it used to be dial up but now they have Hughes sattelite. was for crap last night.

Wife beaters was Marshall and his 40 something police reports or call ins from his house while his ex girlfriend was still, around even after he dumped her he was involved in a slap down while he was in MIA outside a club with his now wife.

Why anyone on this or any other forums could excuse it and want the mental midget on the team is beyond me.

Once maybe but hai rap sheet on that was 40 plus 911 calls. Just at his house.

Add in his responsibility for the death of darennt and IIRC a couple of DUIs, his attitude at TC the next summer.

I just do not see why anyone would want this ticking time bomb on the team. He does you no good if he is in jail or serving a suspension.

well why wont the courts then serve some justice up and isnt this drifting a wee bit off subject i dont like criminals on any nfl team we aint the raiders but brandon marshall isnt a Denver Bronco anymore
therefore isnt on my radar anymore go on to the chicago bears forum and ask them why they love him