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Old 01-04-2013, 12:25 PM   #126
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:29 PM   #127
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I think I would shed definitive tears to see Champ Bailey hoisting a Superbowl trophy. Resigning him was the best move that Elway could have possibly made at that time, and Bailey will go down in Broncos history as one of the most loved players of this franchise.
Will definitely be a Top 5 moment for me as far as broncos memories go
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:34 PM   #128
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Yes, we need 81 games in 4 months. Lazy ass football players.

You are not for real.
Please tell me you knew that was all in jest right?

oh, and it's 82 games

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This thread has ROF potential... or might be destined for The Butt. Can't tell yet but by all means, proceed.
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No one has a problem with opinions, Lonestar. I've agreed with many things you've said in some measure, actually. The problem is the way you disagree and post in a manner that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot and that you are the smartest man in the room. Honestly, it reminds me of one of Josh McDaniels' press conferences, where you are so annoyed at how stupid everyone is and hate wasting the time to even explain it.

Which of course begs the question, are you even having fun? Why do you post here? You seem absolutely miserable. Totally serious, I thought you were going to leave in disgust two months ago, but you keep soldiering on. Why?
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The second season under McDaniels was not fun for me. It wasn't even worth it to log in. So I did other things. Last season was fun sans the Teboners. I am SOOOOOO glad they are gone. There are still Tebow apologists around here, but I'm ok with that. I liked Tebow. I just am glad we're going in another direction. His hard core followers could not be reasoned with, though.
the second McDaniels season was really tough in here. Lots of namecalling and hindsight. After the 6-0 start it was a rough go
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:39 PM   #132
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Please tell me you knew that was all in jest right?
I think I wrote "You are not for real".

Yes, I felt it might be sarcasm or fake.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:46 PM   #133
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I think I wrote "You are not for real".

Yes, I felt it might be sarcasm or fake.
All good. Just wanted to make sure you didn't actually think I wanted to propose back to back games and what not.

Would be interesting though.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:59 PM   #134
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All good. Just wanted to make sure you didn't actually think I wanted to propose back to back games and what not.

Would be interesting though.
Expand the rosters to 106, double the coaching staffs, Goodell can think of the $$$$!!!
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:01 PM   #135
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Are you really sure it was a shot at just Josh?

Was it something else?

Perhaps we take it to literal and he was talking more about the the state of the franchise, note he did not talk about players or coaches but the actual relationship of the fans with the Broncos and the fall off of ticket holders and confidence of the fans.

Maybe we as forum members read more into those comments than we should have.

Food for thought.

Thanks for your commentary. Even if you do not agree your not going for the throat like so many others..

Folks here seem to forget this is a discussion forum to put out ideas.

If everyone agreed on everything it would be a dull place to come.

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Yes, I do believe it was a direct and deserved shot at McDaniels by Elway... and at a 4-12 season that resulted in the #2 overall pick in the draft. I think we can all agree that 4-12 and #2 overall is... subpar. And really, unacceptable. To Elway, it was unacceptable. We Broncos fans are somewhat spoiled; the team hasn't truly sucked (until McDaniels) since the 60's, early 70s. Yes, we had some "mediocre" years but during the Shanahan years, I don't think we ever picked in the top ten.

Nope. Not a single pick in the top ten:
2008: Ryan Clady #12
2007: Jarvis Moss #17
2006: Jay Cutler #12
2005: Darrent Williams #56 (our 1st pick was in the 2nd round)
2004: DJ Williams #17
2003: George Foster #20
2002: Ashley Lelie: #19
2001: Willie Middlebrooks #24
2000: Deltha O'Neal #15
1999: Al Wilson #31
1998: Marcus Nash #30
1997: Trevor Pryce #28
1996: John Mobley #15
1995: Jamie Brown #121 (our 1st pick was in the 4th round).

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../den/draft.htm
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:03 PM   #136
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Good post, Blue. Traded up for Cutler and Moss.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:10 PM   #137
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Joshies Draft picks:

RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 Demaryius ThomasWR Georgia Tech.....keeper
1 25 Tim TebowQB Florida.....indeterminant but looking like bust
2 45 Zane BeadlesG Utah......keeper
3 80 J.D. WaltonC Baylor......indeterminant, line got better with Koppen
3 87 Eric DeckerWR Minnesota....keeper
5 137 Perrish CoxCB Oklahoma State.....gone (2nd string SF)
6 183 Eric OlsenG Notre Dame ...gone (2nd string NO)
7 225 Syd'Quan ThompsonDB California...gone not playing
7 232 Jammie KirlewDE Indiana....gone...not playing
2009 - DENVER BRONCOS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 12 Knowshon MorenoRB Georgia....indeterminant (2nd string DEN)
1 18 Robert AyersLB Tennessee....keeper...(2nd string DEN)
2 37 Alphonso SmithDB Wake Forest.....gone (part timer DET)
2 48 Darcel McBathDB Texas Tech...gone (3rd string SF)
2 64 Richard QuinnTE North Carolina...gone(3rd string CIN)
4 114 David BrutonDB Notre Dame.....? (2nd string DEN)
4 132 Seth OlsenG Iowa....gone (3rd string IND)
5 141 Kenny McKinleyWR South Carolina....suicide...RIP
6 174 Tom BrandstaterQB Fresno State....gone..not playing
7 225 Blake SchlueterC Texas Christian....gone not playing
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Despite inheriting a team ranked 2nd in the NFL in total offense in 2008, McDaniels fires all of Denver’s offensive assistant coaches except running backs coach, Bobby Turner, and offensive line coach, Rick Dennison. McDaniels’ decision to fire quarterbacks coach, Jeremy Bates, particularly irks quarterback Jay Cutler who had passed for 4,526 yards and 25 touchdowns and made the Pro Bowl with Bates as his position coach in 2008
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:59 PM   #139
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Where a lot of those that are very young and know nothing about broncos prior to mikey I see their emotional attachment to him.
I'm pushing 40, and my emotional attachment to Shanahan has to do with what I knew about the Broncos prior to him joining the team - starting with what he did for John Elway the young player, and moving towards what he did for John Elway the old player (And that's without even mentioning Mike Shanahan taking the team from out of the wilderness and into the promised land).

Mike Shanahan is one of the best things to ever have had happen to the Broncos franchise.

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Old 01-04-2013, 02:01 PM   #140
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Yes, I do believe it was a direct and deserved shot at McDaniels by Elway... and at a 4-12 season that resulted in the #2 overall pick in the draft. I think we can all agree that 4-12 and #2 overall is... subpar. And really, unacceptable. To Elway, it was unacceptable. We Broncos fans are somewhat spoiled; the team hasn't truly sucked (until McDaniels) since the 60's, early 70s. Yes, we had some "mediocre" years but during the Shanahan years, I don't think we ever picked in the top ten.

Nope. Not a single pick in the top ten:
2008: Ryan Clady #12
2007: Jarvis Moss #17
2006: Jay Cutler #12
2005: Darrent Williams #56 (our 1st pick was in the 2nd round)
2004: DJ Williams #17
2003: George Foster #20
2002: Ashley Lelie: #19
2001: Willie Middlebrooks #24
2000: Deltha O'Neal #15
1999: Al Wilson #31
1998: Marcus Nash #30
1997: Trevor Pryce #28
1996: John Mobley #15
1995: Jamie Brown #121 (our 1st pick was in the 4th round).

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../den/draft.htm
Blue, maybe next time to prove your point, don't put the names of our 1st rounders. Good God Shanny missed on a ton of those. Middlebrooks? Foster? Nash? Not that it was a total cluster **** but some bad memories.
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Despite inheriting a team ranked 2nd in the NFL in total offense in 2008, McDaniels fires all of Denver’s offensive assistant coaches except running backs coach, Bobby Turner, and offensive line coach, Rick Dennison. McDaniels’ decision to fire quarterbacks coach, Jeremy Bates, particularly irks quarterback Jay Cutler who had passed for 4,526 yards and 25 touchdowns and made the Pro Bowl with Bates as his position coach in 2008
Obviously, not an original thought. If it was, I would have run out of breath trying to read one long sentence. Put the link Bronco Rob.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:14 PM   #142
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I'm on a ranch in the middle of moffat county. No Cable available so it used to be dial up but now they have Hughes sattelite. was for crap last night.

Wife beaters was Marshall and his 40 something police reports or call ins from his house while his ex girlfriend was still, around even after he dumped her he was involved in a slap down while he was in MIA outside a club with his now wife.

Why anyone on this or any other forums could excuse it and want the mental midget on the team is beyond me.

Once maybe but hai rap sheet on that was 40 plus 911 calls. Just at his house.

Add in his responsibility for the death of darennt and IIRC a couple of DUIs, his attitude at TC the next summer.

I just do not see why anyone would want this ticking time bomb on the team. He does you no good if he is in jail or serving a suspension.
well why wont the courts then serve some justice up and isnt this drifting a wee bit off subject i dont like criminals on any nfl team we aint the raiders but brandon marshall isnt a Denver Bronco anymore
therefore isnt on my radar anymore go on to the chicago bears forum and ask them why they love him

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Blue, maybe next time to prove your point, don't put the names of our 1st rounders. Good God Shanny missed on a ton of those. Middlebrooks? Foster? Nash? Not that it was a total cluster **** but some bad memories.
My point wasn't about whether or not those draft picks panned out and the information about who they were isn't exactly a secret. The point was that during the entire Shanahan era, we didn't select a single player within the first ten of the draft in any year. Guess I could have made my point just as well by noting 6 wins is the fewest we had in any Shanahan year and it resulted in a #10 overall pick, but Shanahan traded down to #19. We were never, ever close to #2 with Shanahan at the helm, so I don't see how anyone can advance a valid argument that 4-12 and #2 overall wasn't the nadir of this franchise since the 60's/early 70's.

Edited to add: you have to go all the way back to '91 (Mike Croel, #4 overall) to find another Broncos top-ten draft pick besides Von Miller. Broncos fans are not used to the team sucking horribly enough to be drafting in the top ten.
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Obviously, not an original thought. If it was, I would have run out of breath trying to read one long sentence. Put the link Bronco Rob.
its for lonestar he umm how can i be polite about this thinks mcdumbass left the broncos better shape when he left . and my reaction is
and why is he bringing up Brandon Marshall legal problems here or should i just ask him lone why are you bringing up Brandon marshall and why are you such a mcdumbass fan. if you want to believe in the fiction that mcdumbass left the broncos in a better shape than when he left it go right ahead you can also believe the sky is green grass is blue.
but the fact is he sucks i would of gave him another year because im too damn nice to people and hate being in charge firing people

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^^^ If it is for just Lonestar, send him a PM. When you make a post, it is for everyone to read. My post still stands and you don't refute it. BTW, it was more of a joke then what was actually posted. Now the post above is completely you. I know your original thought.
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McDaniels had some good pics with Decker and Thomas I will give him that. But I think even one of us would get a couple good players just drafting off the ourlads guide lol.
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No one has a problem with opinions, Lonestar. I've agreed with many things you've said in some measure, actually. The problem is the way you disagree and post in a manner that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot and that you are the smartest man in the room. Honestly, it reminds me of one of Josh McDaniels' press conferences, where you are so annoyed at how stupid everyone is and hate wasting the time to even explain it.

Which of course begs the question, are you even having fun? Why do you post here? You seem absolutely miserable. Totally serious, I thought you were going to leave in disgust two months ago, but you keep soldiering on. Why?
Having a ball. Trying to bring the facts out that so many do not want to beleive.

Not miserable at all dislike those that choose to change the subject when facts are stated or call names when they can not refute the facts.

I think you are confusing dugust in the plotical side on this liberal rag vs on general pretty decent football talk.

I find several posters knowledgeable here good and frankly getting decent info on the broncos being as far away as I live I have limited options.

So I'm not going anywhere much to some folks despair.. They will either have to suck it up and read some facts or put me on IGGY. Frankly I do not care.
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Just curious... was there ever a consensus around here about whether Josh would've been Rovered out of Denver that year if it weren't for the videotaping thing?

Or did anyone think he would've gotten a 3rd season otherwise?
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Just curious... was there ever a consensus around here about whether Josh would've been Rovered out of Denver that year if it weren't for the videotaping thing?

Or did anyone think he would've gotten a 3rd season otherwise?
It seems pretty clear-cut that without "Spygate 2" he would have at least finished the 2010 season as HC. Had the win/loss record still remained 4-12 (most likely scenario), then I think he still would have been replaced for 2011. Coaches whose teams go 4-12 don't stick around in today's win-now-or-else NFL.
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Just curious... was there ever a consensus around here about whether Josh would've been Rovered out of Denver that year if it weren't for the videotaping thing?

Or did anyone think he would've gotten a 3rd season otherwise?
Personally I believed that the Tebow pick might have bought him another year. Depending if the locker room was with him.

There was a lot of anticipation happening there.
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