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lonestar · 01-03-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Yet there are three posters that claim McD wasn't bad.

Just so we all know. Which of the 08 players from mikey old team were worth keeping?

Besides Doom and Champ on defense.

Kuper and Clady on offense.

Bronco Yoda · 01-03-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

BTW, the girls name is Shay Maria - as I found out on the file info from the avatar, haha.

Evidently she's only famous for her boobs.

http://****yeahshaymaria.tumblr.com/page/2

Damn dude her website has a ton of videos like this.... just showing off her body to crappy music.

So that's what you can use electrical tape for....

what were we talking about again... oh yeah Champ. He's the man.

Irish Stout · 01-03-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Of course. Right then. But then he says he'll know its time and he'll make a move when it's time. How did you get "he'll retire" out of "when it's time to make a move I'll make a move" ?

It seems pretty clear that he says he will move to safety if it makes sense to him. He might retire a CB, he might move to safety.

Atwater His Ass · 01-03-2013, 03:00 PM

Thank you John Elway.

24champ · 01-03-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Of course. Right then. But then he says he'll know its time and he'll make a move when it's time. How did you get "he'll retire" out of "when it's time to make a move I'll make a move" ?

I didn't.

I made the observation that he has a couple years left at Corner. By that time he will be 36-37. Was watching Ray Lewis talk the other day about his announcement and he pretty much said that 17 years in the league takes its toll on your body and family. Lets not forget that Champ's body has taken a beating over the years with the way he sacrifices his body on tackles as a CB.

Champ has accomplished everything a CB can do, he's been paid very well over the years. He just needs to win a SB.

Taco John · 01-03-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

Just so we all know. Which of the 08 players from mikey old team were worth keeping?

Besides Doom and Champ on defense.

Kuper and Clady on offense.

Jay Cutler
Brandon Marshall
Tony Scheffler
Brandon Stokley
Daniel Graham
Peyton Hillis (arguably)
DJ Williams
Wesley Woodyard
Champ Bailey
Elvis Dumervil
Chris Kuper
Ryan Clady
Matt Prater
Spencer Larsen

I wouldn't call them all-stars, but they make up a pretty decent core of a team. And that's without mentioning that we had more cap room and draft picks going into '09 than we've had in Franchise history - and Josh pretty well squandered it all.

bowtown · 01-03-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 24champ

And?

By the way it doesn't say it will happen, as you said in an earlier post.

That's on his terms and clearly he doesn't seem all that interested in playing safety, he even says "I am not looking to play safety".

The whole article tells me he is more interested in keeping his play at the level he's always played at....at corner.

Then again, it depends on which year you are asking him. Because he said he would in 2010:

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Denver Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey is willing to take less money when he switches to the interior secondary position in a few years, which the 11-year veteran conceded he will do later in his career.
But he likely won't make the conversion for another three or four seasons, and he expects to be paid premium cornerback money for that stretch.

He is open to taking less money later on in a deal, when he likely will be playing safety, and isn't as concerned about the annual average of the contract as he is about the value over the next three or four seasons. But four months after the initial meeting, Bailey's side still hasn't been presented with a proposal.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid...26id%3d5326840

TheReverend · 01-03-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

Just so we all know. Which of the 08 players from mikey old team were worth keeping?

Besides Doom and Champ on defense.

Kuper and Clady on offense.

Cutler, Marshall, Wesley Woodyard, DJ Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Ryan Harris, Peyton Hillis, Tyler Polumbus, Matt Prater, Brandon Stokely, Eddie Royal, Tony Scheffler, and you already gave 4 more, and I'm probably missing another couple.

bowtown · 01-03-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Cutler, Marshall, Wesley Woodyard, DJ Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Ryan Harris, Peyton Hillis, Tyler Polumbus, Matt Prater, Brandon Stokely, Eddie Royal, Tony Scheffler, and you already gave 4 more, and I'm probably missing another couple.

Allow me to reply for Lonestar:

DJ Willlams is a no good dumbski of a plyer. Always drivin drink and can't make tackles axcept 10 yards don the feld. You DJ Willlam bois are two much.

[wipes, flushes, ignores rest of post]

Lestat · 01-03-2013, 03:45 PM

outside of clearing up some cap issue McDaniels did nothing good for this franchise.
he tore apart the talent that was on the roster for the most part and the players he did land that were good were developed after his reign of terror.

jerseyboiler120 · 01-03-2013, 03:59 PM

McD was a complete disaster. After seeing what he did to us, in light of our prior record of domination against belli-boy brady, it made me think belli-boy and kraft have sworn their coaches to ruin the teams they go to. Look at the poor success rate they've had virtually everywhere they've been. Once they leave belli's womb they're terrible. Maybe its all part of a plan ...

lonestar · 01-03-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Jay Cutler
Brandon Marshall
Tony Scheffler
Brandon Stokley
Daniel Graham
Peyton Hillis (arguably)
DJ Williams
Wesley Woodyard
Champ Bailey
Elvis Dumervil
Chris Kuper
Ryan Clady
Matt Prater
Spencer Larsen

I wouldn't call them all-stars, but they make up a pretty decent core of a team. And that's without mentioning that we had more cap room and draft picks going into '09 than we've had in Franchise history - and Josh pretty well squandered it all.

Not a bad list.

But as for cutlet well it is up for debate why he wanted out.

BM and TS played there way out of DEN with attitude/legal/league issues take your pick for the player.

So they were no goes in any shape or form.

BTW would you have hpwanted any of those head cases forthe money they got with new teams. Who would you have cut to keep them.

As for the rest.

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Brandon Stokley cut after sub par season less than 20 catches and injuries
Daniel Graham had a contract coming up
Peyton Hillis (arguably) have no idea why he was cut. Maybe he had his hands on Joshes wife's a ss
DJ Williams. Still here
Wesley Woodyard still here
Champ Bailey still here
Elvis Dumervil. Still here
Chris Kuper still here
Ryan Clady still here
Matt Prater still here
Spencer Larsen no loss.
Added
Beadles
Walton
Decker
Ayers
Moreno
D Thomas
Burton
Colquitt
Unrien
Vickerson.

IMHO Josh left us in better shape than mikey did

Have to do this in pieces. Working on Hughes net and it is slow.

ol#7 · 01-03-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

Not a bad list.

But as for cutlet well it is up for debate why he wanted out.

BM and TS played there way out of DEN with attitude/legal/league issues take your pick for the player.

So they were no goes in any shape or form.

BTW would you have hpwanted any of those head cases forthe money they got with new teams. Who would you have cut to keep them.

As for the rest.

IMHO Josh left us in better shape than mikey did

Have to do this in pieces. Working on Hughes net and it is slow.

Here's an idea, rather than pick apart the list with your personal biases, just acknowledge that the team had more talent and was in a better place BEFORE hiring McDaniels. You can still use your tanahan coupons at a later date.

ETA: just saw you THINK McD left the team in better shape than he found it...clearly you have a dizzying intellect.

maven · 01-03-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj

Holy crap, I remember that dude!

The Denver news stations would have nightly updates on his condition...too freaking funny man.

Yep. And I think a blizzard rolled through and it snowed a lot.

Taco John · 01-03-2013, 05:18 PM

Just out of curiosity, lonestar... Why did we go on like a 20 game losing streak? What that Tanahan's fault?

Taco John · 01-03-2013, 05:18 PM

Just out of curiosity, lonestar... Why did we go on like a 20 game losing streak while McDaniels was here? What that Tanahan's fault?

Boobs McGee · 01-03-2013, 05:20 PM

Thank you Smurf!!! SHAY MARIA! I <3 boobies.

Champ is still playing at an incredible level right now. Like, better than the majority of corners league wide. "Lost a step" is a tough way to look at it, because while it SEEMS sometimes he gets beat (every corner does at some point), and he's getting older each year, his unrivaled core skills/mental capacity keep him at the top of his game. Here's the way I see it. Once he gets his ring this year, that dragon is finally off of his back. All of the hard work, dedication, and incredible sacrifice finally comes to fruition. Next year, I think we still see him produce at a Pro-Bowl level, and the following year, I think he takes a look at where he is, and step into the safety role. He's in a unique position, because he has a skillset that allows him to transition while still being able to produce at a high level. You don't see many players out there with that same capability. Linebackers usually DONT have the quickness required to go into a DB position, and aren't going to make an impact on the line. Same thing with lineman. Champ is going to be plenty quick to play safety,and his tackling won't be in question. Just an incredibly unique, gifted athlete. For him, and this is completely speculation on my part, once he get's that final feather in his cap, he'll be willing to accept a different role where he can thrive for another couple of years.

2KBack · 01-03-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Just out of curiosity, lonestar... Why did we go on like a 20 game losing streak while McDaniels was here? What that Tanahan's fault?

Hey now, keep the facts straight, the longest losing streak was 5 games. It happened a few times....but they were still five games.

****. this is the first season since 2005 that we didn't have a 3 or more game losing streak.

I don't miss the 3 game streaks or the 5 games

KipCorrington25 · 01-03-2013, 05:38 PM

It would be worth getting arrested to be able to punch that smarmy prick McDaniels in the face.

errand · 01-03-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Just out of curiosity, lonestar... Why did we go on like a 20 game losing streak? What that Tanahan's fault?

When did we lose 20 games in a row?

KipCorrington25 · 01-03-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncsRule

Rich "G-Man" Goins - 103.5 the FOX.. Was the sports guy on the Lewis & Floorwax show. He was last on the air in Denver on 102.? the Ticket - maybe 2 years ago?

The guy unfriended me on facebook and is now unemployeed, karma is a b****.

WolfpackGuy · 01-03-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Just out of curiosity, lonestar... Why did we go on like a 20 game losing streak while McDaniels was here? What that Tanahan's fault?

To be fair, McClueless lost 4 games in a row ONLY 3 times...

Hard to believe that was actually possible in his short reign of error.

He mercifully got fired 3 losses into a 5 game losing streak.

oubronco · 01-03-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

That's all well and good, but who is the girl in your avatar?

Shay Maria

lonestar · 01-03-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Cutler, Marshall, Wesley Woodyard, DJ Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Ryan Harris, Peyton Hillis, Tyler Polumbus, Matt Prater, Brandon Stokely, Eddie Royal, Tony Scheffler, and you already gave 4 more, and I'm probably missing another couple.

Locktenstieger could not hold a block.
Harris could not stay on the field.
Royally was a joke
Polumbus well he needed a few more years to develop still not sure he has

Stokely was hurt and had a poor season. IIRC everyone wanted his OLD a ss cut.
Cutlet, TS and BM all were promised new contracts by mikey for the next spring so all had lousy attitudes. Not to mention BM the spouse beater. Missed how many games due to Goodell.

WW was nothing at that time but a special teams player. And BTW he is still here.

How many of those defensive starters In 08 made the team in 09 3 dj (IMO an overpaid loser) doom and champ. That is all all the others never started for another team in 09, most were not in the NFL in 10 and folks those were our starters. Mikey could really choose them.

Note that the few players that were left over Josh added more to and IMO LEFT John more than he got. Better quality.

See post above.

Bacchus · 01-03-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mightysmurf

That's all well and good, but who is the girl in your avatar?

It's Boobs McGee of course!

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01-03-2013, 03:00 PM	#29
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,374 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Thank you John Elway.

01-03-2013, 03:45 PM	#35
Lestat Oreo Lucian Rockefeller The New Age Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 5,281	outside of clearing up some cap issue McDaniels did nothing good for this franchise. he tore apart the talent that was on the roster for the most part and the players he did land that were good were developed after his reign of terror.

01-03-2013, 03:59 PM	#36
jerseyboiler120 Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 339 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	McD was a complete disaster. After seeing what he did to us, in light of our prior record of domination against belli-boy brady, it made me think belli-boy and kraft have sworn their coaches to ruin the teams they go to. Look at the poor success rate they've had virtually everywhere they've been. Once they leave belli's womb they're terrible. Maybe its all part of a plan ...

01-03-2013, 05:18 PM	#40
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Just out of curiosity, lonestar... Why did we go on like a 20 game losing streak? What that Tanahan's fault?

01-03-2013, 05:20 PM	#42
Boobs McGee I promise to stay alive till the day that I die Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Glendale Posts: 5,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: CassiusVAAAUGHN	Thank you Smurf!!! SHAY MARIA! I <3 boobies. Champ is still playing at an incredible level right now. Like, better than the majority of corners league wide. "Lost a step" is a tough way to look at it, because while it SEEMS sometimes he gets beat (every corner does at some point), and he's getting older each year, his unrivaled core skills/mental capacity keep him at the top of his game. Here's the way I see it. Once he gets his ring this year, that dragon is finally off of his back. All of the hard work, dedication, and incredible sacrifice finally comes to fruition. Next year, I think we still see him produce at a Pro-Bowl level, and the following year, I think he takes a look at where he is, and step into the safety role. He's in a unique position, because he has a skillset that allows him to transition while still being able to produce at a high level. You don't see many players out there with that same capability. Linebackers usually DONT have the quickness required to go into a DB position, and aren't going to make an impact on the line. Same thing with lineman. Champ is going to be plenty quick to play safety,and his tackling won't be in question. Just an incredibly unique, gifted athlete. For him, and this is completely speculation on my part, once he get's that final feather in his cap, he'll be willing to accept a different role where he can thrive for another couple of years.

01-03-2013, 05:38 PM	#44
KipCorrington25 Free Safety Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Centennial Posts: 3,062	It would be worth getting arrested to be able to punch that smarmy prick McDaniels in the face.