Defense legitimate/potential HOFers - The Orange Mane

Vine · 12-31-2012, 07:44 PM

I got into a discussion of current bonafide and potential hall of framers on Denver's defense with my brother and I came up with 4 players on Denver's defense that I think have a good chance of making the hall.

Champ. Enough said.
Von. Barring an injury shortened career, he will be a lock.
Doom. Borderline, but a few more productive years might get him in.
Harris. My brother disagreed, but I think he will take champs spot of the shut-down corner to lock down his side of the field. Not saying Harris is the sure thing, but just saying he has the potential.

SoCalBronco · 12-31-2012, 07:47 PM

Even discussing Harris and HOF is laughable. Doom will need a lot of work to get to that point. A lot. Von should get there barring injury. Champ is already a lock.

R8R H8R · 12-31-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Even discussing Harris and HOF is laughable. Doom will need a lot of work to get to that point. A lot. Von should get there barring injury. Champ is already a lock.

This.

MagicHef · 12-31-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Even discussing Harris and HOF is laughable. Doom will need a lot of work to get to that point. A lot. Von should get there barring injury. Champ is already a lock.

Doom's on the right pace, 63.5 sacks in 6 seasons is pretty great. The question would be longevity.

Smilin Assassin · 12-31-2012, 08:06 PM

Tory James: Lock (outside of Louis Wright, probably the best corner we'll ever see)

Eric Bown: Could be a lock barring injury. He just may be the next Steve Atwater.

Kennoy Kennedy: Lock (see above)

Reggie Hayward: It's early, but this guy really reminds me of Lawrence Taylor.

On Offense, I don't see anyway Darius Watts doesn't make it on the first ballot.

BroncoMan4ever · 12-31-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Even discussing Harris and HOF is laughable. Doom will need a lot of work to get to that point. A lot. Von should get there barring injury. Champ is already a lock.

Doom averages about 11 sacks and 3 FF a year. In comparison a guy like Strahan who will probably be first ballot averaged 9 sacks and 1.25 FF a year.

Now if Doom continues to average 9 sacks a year for 6 more seasons he will end his career as one of the top 15 or so sack artists in NFL history. Doom is well on his way towards HOF consideration

DBroncos4life · 12-31-2012, 08:28 PM

Doom reminds me of John Abraham. He just gets it done yet flies under the radar then you look at his overall career and you are like damn he has 122 career sacks? That is just about 9.5 sacks per season.

Now if Doom plays 13 years and has 120-130 sacks I think he should get in like Abraham.

Atwater His Ass · 12-31-2012, 08:55 PM

I like Doom, but he's not a HOF type player, at least not yet. Strahan was a complete DE, a beast in all phases of the game.

DivineLegion · 12-31-2012, 09:22 PM

Doom can't be compared to Strahan because of the single season sack record, and market presence. John Abraham maybe, but the gaped tooth wonder has a prestigious accomplishment that accompanies his a acquirable career averages.

lonestar · 12-31-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

Doom averages about 11 sacks and 3 FF a year. In comparison a guy like Strahan who will probably be first ballot averaged 9 sacks and 1.25 FF a year.

Now if Doom continues to average 9 sacks a year for 6 more seasons he will end his career as one of the top 15 or so sack artists in NFL history. Doom is well on his way towards HOF consideration

Yet strath an played in media rich NY. Doom in the media barren waste land. 50% of the games played will be late games and 50% of them will not be shown in media rich cities.

Odds are against any Bronco going into the HOF. I can think of at least 6 guys that played in Denver that had statistically better careers that will never get in..

Such is life.

bronco610 · 12-31-2012, 10:20 PM

None because of HOF bias against Broncos

Agamemnon · 12-31-2012, 10:23 PM

The only guy on our defense who is pretty much guaranteed to be a HoFer is Champ. Von Miller has a lot of years to go, and honestly so does Dumervil. As far as Chris Harris goes, you're out of your mind. The guy hasn't even made a Pro Bowl yet.

Agamemnon · 12-31-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco610

None because of HOF bias against Broncos

There's definitely a bias, but Champ is a first ballot HoFer, Bronco or not. Just like Elway.

extralife · 12-31-2012, 10:32 PM

Sorry, I don't talk about the HoF for guys in their second season.

Doom is so borderline, if you're being generous, that you can't talk about him and HoF untill he's about to retire.

Champ isn't even a discussion, he's already in.

So basically there is literally nothing to talk about here.

BroncoBeavis · 12-31-2012, 11:27 PM

I love Doom but he's not going. Champ's been a lock for 5 years.

CEH · 12-31-2012, 11:37 PM

What would be cool is if champ and pfm retire the same year - many years from now - but go into the hall the same year

UberBroncoMan · 01-01-2013, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by extralife

Sorry, I don't talk about the HoF for guys in their second season.

Doom is so borderline, if you're being generous, that you can't talk about him and HoF untill he's about to retire.

Champ isn't even a discussion, he's already in.

So basically there is literally nothing to talk about here.

Kind of nuts the Redskins had three HOF CB's on the same team at the same time.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-01-2013, 12:37 AM

Fletcher had 97.5 sacks. He is not in. Doom would have to crack at least 120 sacks to even be considered.

At the moment, the only HOF worthy guy is Champ.

KipCorrington25 · 01-01-2013, 12:50 AM

Peter King just called to say he's not voting for anyone listed here.

Vine · 01-01-2013, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The only guy on our defense who is pretty much guaranteed to be a HoFer is Champ. Von Miller has a lot of years to go, and honestly so does Dumervil. As far as Chris Harris goes, you're out of your mind. The guy hasn't even made a Pro Bowl yet.

Potential

Atwater His Ass · 01-01-2013, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Vine

Potential

lol.

A guy hasn't even finished 2 full NFL seasons, but you're ready to have his bust sized up for Canton.

And people wonder why fan voting for the probowl is so ridiculous.

dsmoot · 01-01-2013, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vine

I got into a discussion of current bonafide and potential hall of framers on Denver's defense with my brother and I came up with 4 players on Denver's defense that I think have a good chance of making the hall.

Champ. Enough said.
Von. Barring an injury shortened career, he will be a lock.
Doom. Borderline, but a few more productive years might get him in.
Harris. My brother disagreed, but I think he will take champs spot of the shut-down corner to lock down his side of the field. Not saying Harris is the sure thing, but just saying he has the potential.

Champ has already earned it. Von (Yr2

- see Terrell Davis resistance x 100), Doom (see Simon Fletcher stats) and Harris

?? Harris

?? (see Mike Croel)

2KBack · 01-01-2013, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Fletcher had 97.5 sacks. He is not in. Doom would have to crack at least 120 sacks to even be considered.

At the moment, the only HOF worthy guy is Champ.

Yeah, it takes more than sack numbers....just ask Kevin Greene (160)

Nwp-Apap · 01-01-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

lol.

A guy hasn't even finished 2 full NFL seasons, but you're ready to have his bust sized up for Canton.

And people wonder why fan voting for the probowl is so ridiculous.

Well, maybe past years, but this year the fan vote was much better than those who the players and coaches decided were pro bowlers.

Lestat · 01-01-2013, 08:23 AM

Bailey is a first ballot lock, Von if he continues to beast and maintain his level of play for 10+ years will be a first ballot lock.

Doom is on pace for the numbers to be a borderline guy. the problem is he is so rarely talked about that you'd never know he was a great DE if you weren't a Broncos fan.
even this season he had 11 sacks but it was so quiet because he started out so slow and Von overshadows him.

Chris Harris though...

12-31-2012, 07:44 PM	#1
Vine Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Chadron, Nebraska Posts: 1,933 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Defense legitimate/potential HOFers I got into a discussion of current bonafide and potential hall of framers on Denver's defense with my brother and I came up with 4 players on Denver's defense that I think have a good chance of making the hall. Champ. Enough said. Von. Barring an injury shortened career, he will be a lock. Doom. Borderline, but a few more productive years might get him in. Harris. My brother disagreed, but I think he will take champs spot of the shut-down corner to lock down his side of the field. Not saying Harris is the sure thing, but just saying he has the potential.

12-31-2012, 07:47 PM	#2
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,292 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Even discussing Harris and HOF is laughable. Doom will need a lot of work to get to that point. A lot. Von should get there barring injury. Champ is already a lock. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

01-01-2013, 08:23 AM	#25
Lestat Oreo Lucian Rockefeller The New Age Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 5,158	Bailey is a first ballot lock, Von if he continues to beast and maintain his level of play for 10+ years will be a first ballot lock. Doom is on pace for the numbers to be a borderline guy. the problem is he is so rarely talked about that you'd never know he was a great DE if you weren't a Broncos fan. even this season he had 11 sacks but it was so quiet because he started out so slow and Von overshadows him. Chris Harris though... Last edited by Lestat; 01-01-2013 at 08:25 AM..

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12-31-2012, 08:06 PM	#5
Smilin Assassin Tradition Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,620	Tory James: Lock (outside of Louis Wright, probably the best corner we'll ever see) Eric Bown: Could be a lock barring injury. He just may be the next Steve Atwater. Kennoy Kennedy: Lock (see above) Reggie Hayward: It's early, but this guy really reminds me of Lawrence Taylor. On Offense, I don't see anyway Darius Watts doesn't make it on the first ballot.

12-31-2012, 08:28 PM	#7
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,531	Doom reminds me of John Abraham. He just gets it done yet flies under the radar then you look at his overall career and you are like damn he has 122 career sacks? That is just about 9.5 sacks per season. Now if Doom plays 13 years and has 120-130 sacks I think he should get in like Abraham.

12-31-2012, 08:55 PM	#8
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I like Doom, but he's not a HOF type player, at least not yet. Strahan was a complete DE, a beast in all phases of the game.

12-31-2012, 09:22 PM	#9
DivineLegion There can only be one... G.O.A.T Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Peak of Good Living Posts: 4,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	Doom can't be compared to Strahan because of the single season sack record, and market presence. John Abraham maybe, but the gaped tooth wonder has a prestigious accomplishment that accompanies his a acquirable career averages.

12-31-2012, 10:20 PM	#11
bronco610 OLD FART Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Keller, TX Posts: 2,025 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	None because of HOF bias against Broncos

12-31-2012, 10:23 PM	#12
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10,429 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The only guy on our defense who is pretty much guaranteed to be a HoFer is Champ. Von Miller has a lot of years to go, and honestly so does Dumervil. As far as Chris Harris goes, you're out of your mind. The guy hasn't even made a Pro Bowl yet.

12-31-2012, 10:32 PM	#14
extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,896	Sorry, I don't talk about the HoF for guys in their second season. Doom is so borderline, if you're being generous, that you can't talk about him and HoF untill he's about to retire. Champ isn't even a discussion, he's already in. So basically there is literally nothing to talk about here.

12-31-2012, 11:27 PM	#15
BroncoBeavis Just Draughted Lupus Methylphenthylaminus? Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 6,883	I love Doom but he's not going. Champ's been a lock for 5 years.

12-31-2012, 11:37 PM	#16
CEH Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,209	What would be cool is if champ and pfm retire the same year - many years from now - but go into the hall the same year

01-01-2013, 12:37 AM	#18
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Fletcher had 97.5 sacks. He is not in. Doom would have to crack at least 120 sacks to even be considered. At the moment, the only HOF worthy guy is Champ.

01-01-2013, 12:50 AM	#19
KipCorrington25 Free Safety Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Centennial Posts: 3,050	Peter King just called to say he's not voting for anyone listed here.