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12-31-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

It fails far more often than it succeeds.

It worked in Kansas City throughout the entire 90's. King Carl was in charge of the business side and he was damn good at it.

This became abundantly clear after Marty left and King Carl had no idea what he was doing with player personnel.

Tombstone RJ · 12-31-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

It worked in Kansas City throughout the entire 90's. King Carl was in charge of the business side and he was damn good at it.

This became abundantly clear after Marty left and King Carl had no idea what he was doing with player personnel.

yah, ok. Now Carl Peterson had nothing to do with the player personell?

12-31-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

yah, ok. Now Carl Peterson had nothing to do with the player personell?

Marty pretty much ran player personnel. Look at the drafts from 99-06. Horrible.

Pretty obvious who was in charge of player personnel in KC in the 90's.

broncosteven · 12-31-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

Marty pretty much ran player personnel. Look at the drafts from 99-06. Horrible.

Pretty obvious who was in charge of player personnel in KC in the 90's.

"Pretty much" or did he run it?

Your reaching FL

12-31-2012, 01:40 PM

810 radio reports Clark Hunt has spoken to several HC's. Bill Cowher, Chip Kelly, Andy Reid and Dirk Koetter (interview tomorrow).

All those coaches except for Dirk (from what I know) would want the power.

broncosteven · 12-31-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

810 radio reports Clark Hunt has spoken to several HC's. Bill Cowher, Chip Kelly, Andy Reid and Dirk Koetter (interview tomorrow).

All those coaches except for Dirk (from what I know) would want the power.

I hope you guys get Dirk so we can call him "Dirk Diggler" or "Welcome Back Koetter"!

Tombstone RJ · 12-31-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

Marty pretty much ran player personnel. Look at the drafts from 99-06. Horrible.

Pretty obvious who was in charge of player personnel in KC in the 90's.

do you have proof about this? A link to an article, anything?

Tombstone RJ · 12-31-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

810 radio reports Clark Hunt has spoken to several HC's. Bill Cowher, Chip Kelly, Andy Reid and Dirk Koetter (interview tomorrow).

All those coaches except for Dirk (from what I know) would want the power.

Oh please yes, hire Bill Cowher to run the entire operation, yes, please do this.

Kaylore · 12-31-2012, 01:47 PM

FL, is this really what you think the road to success in the NFL is? It sounds like you're trying to justify every move the Chiefs make after the fact. Waiting to hear the direction they're going and then explain why it will work.

I'm sorry, but I have little respect for Clark Hunt. I think he's an imbecile. I think he doesn't really like American Football. I think he wants to get back to his soccer and wants someone who will run things and every move he has made, including the one that is in progress, are the signs of a man who wants nothing to do with the franchise and the responsibilities therein. I think he loves his father and understands the legacy he casts on the entire NFL and is trying to do right by him by being the owner, but at the end of the day I think he has no clue and wants for find someone to take this "problem" away.

"A coach that does everything! That's a great idea because then the GM and coach won't fight as they will be the same person! Now me and my buddy Pioli can watch Glee together!"

Oh, and four of your five pro-bowlers were drafted by Carl Peterson - you know, the guy who "didn't do anything."

12-31-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

It worked in Kansas City throughout the entire 90's. King Carl was in charge of the business side and he was damn good at it.

This became abundantly clear after Marty left and King Carl had no idea what he was doing with player personnel.

Oh that's cute. You think the 90's were a success...

12-31-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

I hope you guys get Dirk so we can call him "Dirk Diggler" or "Welcome Back Koetter"!

I hope they hire Reid. That guy is the polar opposite of what the Chiefs need right now. Passing 90 times a game and having a toxic lockerroom is just what the doctor ordered for the Chiefs.

12-31-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

FL, is this really what you think the road to success in the NFL is? It sounds like you're trying to justify every move the Chiefs make after the fact. Waiting to hear the direction they're going and then explain why it will work.

I'm sorry, but I have little respect for Clark Hunt. I think he's an imbecile. I think he doesn't really like American Football. I think he wants to get back to his soccer and wants someone who will run things and every move he has made, including the one that is in progress, are the signs of a man who wants nothing to do with the franchise and the responsibilities therein. I think he loves his father and understands the legacy he casts on the entire NFL and is trying to do right by him by being the owner, but at the end of the day I think he has no clue and wants for find someone to take this "problem" away.

"A coach that does everything! That's a great idea because then the GM and coach won't fight as they will be the same person! Now me and my buddy Pioli can watch Glee together!"

Oh, and four of your five pro-bowlers were drafted by Carl Peterson - you know, the guy who "didn't do anything."

This is the furthest thing from what's going on Kaylore.

If Clark didn't care about football or the Chiefs he wouldn't be going out finding a HC. He's not having a GM go find him a HC. He's doing all of that work himself. He's putting this in his hands. Pretty telling sign that the owner cares, wouldn't you agree?

The reason why I'm ok with Clark's current approach is because of this: it's different that what the franchise has done the last 40 years.
The structure has been the same for years and what has it gotten us? Clark is changing it. Why is he changing it? Well he said some coaches want more power and that's the truth. He wants a strong HC. And he wants to have the HC be the one speaking with him personally before the GM to get his opinion.

I agree that a GM first is the best way. Clark never said that a GM wouldn't come in. He just wants the coach to be the guy who runs player personnel more than in the past.

As for the pro bowlers, King Carl didn't even want DJ. Him and DV wanted Thomas Davis and took DJ as a consolation prize. Herm was decent in the draft room in NY. He had the most influence on those draft picks in my opinion while King Carl drafted blunder after blunder from 99-2006 when he had more say in the player personnel side.

Honestly I'll let you know my complete feelings when the HC is hired, and I will do my best to not have any homeristic feelings (but we all have those at times).
HC is the most important position to fill in the organization this offseason IMO, especially with this draft coming up. I'm glad Clark feels that way too.

SoCalBronco · 12-31-2012, 03:12 PM

He is doing this so that Pioli can leave on his own....so that he won't have to pay him. Pioli isn't going to fold. He will want some kind of settlement.

12-31-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

He is doing this so that Pioli can leave on his own....so that he won't have to pay him. Pioli isn't going to fold. He will want some kind of settlement.

This is true. Pioli has had several lawsuits filed against the Chiefs from frustrated past employees and Clark knows he's talked with the Titans. Why fire him and pay him undeserved money when he knows Pioli has spoken with Bud Adams about a job?

It was reported by SOC (Marty knows someone who works inside Arrowhead) that Clark spoke with Peyton Manning yesterday and Manning said that the main reason he didn't even consider Kansas City was because Pioli has a horrible reputation around the league and he didn't want any part of it.

Tombstone RJ · 12-31-2012, 03:42 PM

face it FL, you have no clue as to what the hell you are talking about and it sounds to me like you are just making stuff up. What purpose does it serve Hunt to not release Pioli? He's basically castrated Pioli and is doing Pioli's job so Pioli is making the money for doing nothing anyway, right? So why keep him around? This is a horrible management decision by Hunt. Either way, Pioli is getting his $.

And now you are saying the Hunt didn't know about Pioli's reputation? He had to ask Manning? LMAO! Didn't Clarky do his research before he hired Pioli? Didn't Clark know that Pioli had a bad rep before he hired this guy?

You mean to tell me he didn't hear about Pioli's rep through the grape vine? I mean, the guy owns the friggen team, right? How did he NOT know about Pioli's rep? And again, why is he keeping Pioli around? Why not dump this guy and move on?

whatever, you are guessing on all this stuff.

SoCalBronco · 12-31-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

This is true. Pioli has had several lawsuits filed against the Chiefs from frustrated past employees and Clark knows he's talked with the Titans. Why fire him and pay him undeserved money when he knows Pioli has spoken with Bud Adams about a job?

It was reported by SOC (Marty knows someone who works inside Arrowhead) that Clark spoke with Peyton Manning yesterday and Manning said that the main reason he didn't even consider Kansas City was because Pioli has a horrible reputation around the league and he didn't want any part of it.

Yes I saw that report on CP. I know Peyton is polite but is rather not have him essentially giving a rival owner tips on how to better their franchise. What stuck out to me the most about that report however was that Clark would have to actually ask Peyton anything. EVERYONE EVERYWHERE knew that this was the reason....how could Clark not know that Pioli's rep was that bad...everyone knows that. Is he living in a cocoon?

mwill07 · 12-31-2012, 04:04 PM

wow. So you know a guy is poison and (hopefully) will be gone soon, but you are keeping him around anyways just to save on severance pay? Good lord, that's the epitome of dysfunction. If this was a TV sitcom, it would get poor reviews for being unrealistic.

A competent owner would axe him post-haste just to get the bad taste out of his mouth and begin the re-build cleanly.

Bronco Boy · 12-31-2012, 04:08 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that fear laney will agree completely with whatever future arena league coach the chefs decide to hire as HC.

12-31-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

face it FL, you have no clue as to what the hell you are talking about and it sounds to me like you are just making stuff up. What purpose does it serve Hunt to not release Pioli? He's basically castrated Pioli and is doing Pioli's job so Pioli is making the money for doing nothing anyway, right? So why keep him around? This is a horrible management decision by Hunt. Either way, Pioli is getting his $.

And now you are saying the Hunt didn't know about Pioli's reputation? He had to ask Manning? LMAO! Didn't Clarky do his research before he hired Pioli? Didn't Clark know that Pioli had a bad rep before he hired this guy?

You mean to tell me he didn't hear about Pioli's rep through the grape vine? I mean, the guy owns the friggen team, right? How did he NOT know about Pioli's rep? And again, why is he keeping Pioli around? Why not dump this guy and move on?

whatever, you are guessing on all this stuff.

I am not saying this from my opinion, Mr. Tombstone. I'm just reporting what I've been hearing and seeing through the news.

From what I've seen, Pioli has a huge amount of money owed to him and he's trying to squeeze it out of Clark. This seems accurate since Pioli denied signing the extension 8 weeks ago that had a buyout clause. He's apparently been speaking with the Titans and Clark knows this.

I'm just thankful that Pioli has no real say in anything anymore. Hopefully a coach who has proven himself will be hired.

12-31-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

I am not saying this from my opinion, Mr. Tombstone. I'm just reporting what I've been hearing and seeing through the news.

From what I've seen, Pioli has a huge amount of money owed to him and he's trying to squeeze it out of Clark. This seems accurate since Pioli denied signing the extension 8 weeks ago that had a buyout clause. He's apparently been speaking with the Titans and Clark knows this.

I'm just thankful that Pioli has no real say in anything anymore. Hopefully a coach who has proven himself will be hired.

Why would a coach who has proven himself choose the worst head coach opening? I don't follow...

12-31-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Why would a coach who has proven himself choose the worst head coach opening? I don't follow...

Chiefs are far from the worst head coach opening.

12-31-2012, 04:40 PM

From Kent Babb, former writer for the KC Star. He's the one who knows Pioli best and wrote the Arrowhead Anxiety piece.

"This neutered Pioli thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Only thing that explains it is Clark wants him gone, doesn't...want to fire/pay him, and is trying to force a resignation, which would cost him nothing. Pioli, tho, wants his money....which is why he's "amenable" to something I could never see him accepting. This is a bluff; regardless, his ass is toast."

https://twitter.com/kentbabb

Ironlung · 12-31-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

Chiefs are far from the worst head coach opening.

It's debatable.

12-31-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FearLanier

Chiefs are far from the worst head coach opening.

You keep believing that cupcake...

12-31-2012, 04:47 PM

Chefs OG ryan Lilja is going to retire, he was a good player for the colts before going to the KC to commit nfl suicide.

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12-31-2012, 01:40 PM	#2130
FearLanier Guest Posts: n/a	810 radio reports Clark Hunt has spoken to several HC's. Bill Cowher, Chip Kelly, Andy Reid and Dirk Koetter (interview tomorrow). All those coaches except for Dirk (from what I know) would want the power.

12-31-2012, 01:47 PM	#2134
Kaylore Three Lombardis This one's for Pat Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 53,570 Adopt-a-Bronco: Pat Bowlen	FL, is this really what you think the road to success in the NFL is? It sounds like you're trying to justify every move the Chiefs make after the fact. Waiting to hear the direction they're going and then explain why it will work. I'm sorry, but I have little respect for Clark Hunt. I think he's an imbecile. I think he doesn't really like American Football. I think he wants to get back to his soccer and wants someone who will run things and every move he has made, including the one that is in progress, are the signs of a man who wants nothing to do with the franchise and the responsibilities therein. I think he loves his father and understands the legacy he casts on the entire NFL and is trying to do right by him by being the owner, but at the end of the day I think he has no clue and wants for find someone to take this "problem" away. "A coach that does everything! That's a great idea because then the GM and coach won't fight as they will be the same person! Now me and my buddy Pioli can watch Glee together!" Oh, and four of your five pro-bowlers were drafted by Carl Peterson - you know, the guy who "didn't do anything."

12-31-2012, 03:42 PM	#2140
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 26,969 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	face it FL, you have no clue as to what the hell you are talking about and it sounds to me like you are just making stuff up. What purpose does it serve Hunt to not release Pioli? He's basically castrated Pioli and is doing Pioli's job so Pioli is making the money for doing nothing anyway, right? So why keep him around? This is a horrible management decision by Hunt. Either way, Pioli is getting his $. And now you are saying the Hunt didn't know about Pioli's reputation? He had to ask Manning? LMAO! Didn't Clarky do his research before he hired Pioli? Didn't Clark know that Pioli had a bad rep before he hired this guy? You mean to tell me he didn't hear about Pioli's rep through the grape vine? I mean, the guy owns the friggen team, right? How did he NOT know about Pioli's rep? And again, why is he keeping Pioli around? Why not dump this guy and move on? whatever, you are guessing on all this stuff.

12-31-2012, 04:04 PM	#2142
mwill07 Ring of Famer Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: VMFM	wow. So you know a guy is poison and (hopefully) will be gone soon, but you are keeping him around anyways just to save on severance pay? Good lord, that's the epitome of dysfunction. If this was a TV sitcom, it would get poor reviews for being unrealistic. A competent owner would axe him post-haste just to get the bad taste out of his mouth and begin the re-build cleanly.

12-31-2012, 04:08 PM	#2143
Bronco Boy Avid Ambien Abuser Eric Fischer: Catholic Priest Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York. **** you too. Posts: 2,033 Adopt-a-Bronco: Lamin Barrow	I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that fear laney will agree completely with whatever future arena league coach the chefs decide to hire as HC.

12-31-2012, 04:40 PM	#2147
FearLanier Guest Posts: n/a	From Kent Babb, former writer for the KC Star. He's the one who knows Pioli best and wrote the Arrowhead Anxiety piece. "This neutered Pioli thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Only thing that explains it is Clark wants him gone, doesn't...want to fire/pay him, and is trying to force a resignation, which would cost him nothing. Pioli, tho, wants his money....which is why he's "amenable" to something I could never see him accepting. This is a bluff; regardless, his ass is toast." https://twitter.com/kentbabb

12-31-2012, 04:47 PM	#2150
Tim Guest Posts: n/a	Chefs OG ryan Lilja is going to retire, he was a good player for the colts before going to the KC to commit nfl suicide.