Poll on Fiscal Cliff - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

Play2win · 12-30-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

In my mind, defense of this country should be the #1 priority of the U.S. government. Little else matters...

Education, especially higher education should be the number one priority of the U.S. Government.

BroncoInferno · 12-31-2012, 05:05 AM

Last Sunday, Lindsay Graham was on Meet the Press and said that the Congressional Republicans need to realize that if you can get 87% of what you want, that's a good deal. Now think about that for a minute. Graham said this as if he was playing the voice of reason, as if settling for 87% of the GOP agenda would be magnanimous on their part. Someone should tell Graham that the GOP got thumped in the election. That means you don't get to dictate terms...you don't get to have 87% of what you want. That sums up the obstructionist GOP: they think it's a moderate position to expect to get 87% of they want in a deal following an election when they got their asses handed to them. I'm glad the President is standing up to them this time.

Meck77 · 12-31-2012, 09:35 AM

So once we go over the cliff I heard Obama is planning to resume his $4,000,000 vacation in Hawaii. I think the entire congress and especially the president should not be paid nor be able to vacation on our dime until this is figured out. Unbelievable disrespect to the tax payers of this country.

Bronco Yoda · 12-31-2012, 09:57 AM

I say lock them ALL in a Hotel until things get worked out. Grover Norquist can clean all the rooms, cook & scrub the toilets with his finger.

barryr · 12-31-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

So once we go over the cliff I heard Obama is planning to resume his $4,000,000 vacation in Hawaii. I think the entire congress and especially the president should not be paid nor be able to vacation on our dime until this is figured out. Unbelievable disrespect to the tax payers of this country.

Obama is not held accountable for anything, so he can do about whatever and it gets a free pass. Even drones killing children and more involvement in government checking people's personal emails get a yawn from the supposed staunch rights activists anti-war crowd.

Requiem · 12-31-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

So once we go over the cliff I heard Obama is planning to resume his $4,000,000 vacation in Hawaii. I think the entire congress and especially the president should not be paid nor be able to vacation on our dime until this is figured out. Unbelievable disrespect to the tax payers of this country.

The Democrats proposal offers most everything permanent that the Republicans want, with the Democratic wants being temporary measures (unemployment benefits, etc.) that will expire after one year. Very few concessions are being made by the Right. They simply want to take their balls and leave, which is what a majority of them did over the weekend, flocking back to their homes instead of actually getting serious about making a deal. The offer the Democrats are making now is more generous than what will happen if a deal isn't accomplished. Mind-boggling that the Right hasn't figured that out.

houghtam · 12-31-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

So once we go over the cliff I heard Obama is planning to resume his $4,000,000 vacation in Hawaii. I think the entire congress and especially the president should not be paid nor be able to vacation on our dime until this is figured out. Unbelievable disrespect to the tax payers of this country.

Do you really think not paying anyone a salary at this time would have any effect whatsoever?

Do you really think most of Congress would notice? Would Obama not be able to go on vacation because he can't afford it?

Bronco Yoda · 12-31-2012, 11:27 AM

I think maybe both sides secretly want to go over the cliff. They get to raise taxes and make cuts without anyone actually doing anything... but point fingers at each other.

The Repubs will end up paying for it to some extent later , but Norquist already has their balls in olive jars neatly lined up across his mantel.

Meck77 · 12-31-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

I think maybe both sides secretly want to go over the cliff. They get to raise taxes and make cuts without anyone actually doing anything... but point fingers at each other.

The Repubs will end up paying for it to some extent later , but Norquist already has their balls in olive jars neatly lined up across his mantel.

I think you are right Yoda.

Houghtam considering virtually every member of Congress is a millionaire or mega millionaire I really doubt they would care less.

*edit* HOLY ****!!!! Obama is giving all of the rat bastards a raise! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ess-pay-raise/

Would be a great symbolic statement if the people had that type of power.

Crushaholic · 12-31-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunk idiot kicker

Education, especially higher education should be the number one priority of the U.S. Government.

What do you want the federal government to do, about higher education?

Bronco Yoda · 12-31-2012, 06:30 PM

Higher education is the only thing we still do right. It's the lower education that's messed up beyond belief.

Crushaholic · 12-31-2012, 06:34 PM

A particular poster, who shall remain nameless, sent me a rep on my defense spending post. I want to clarify that we need to be more selective about how we use our defense spending. We stick our noses in places that we shouldn't be (the U.S. has done that for a long time). We have to work on cutting out needless spending. However, the basic needs of the troops MUST be met, as well as the support they require when they get out of the service. That's where the budget funding has to start. After that, we talk about other budget needs...

Arkie · 12-31-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

Higher education is the only thing we still do right. It's the lower education that's messed up beyond belief.

Lower education was better before the federal government got involved.

houghtam · 01-01-2013, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkie

Lower education was better before the federal government got involved.

Link?

Fedaykin · 01-01-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

A particular poster, who shall remain nameless, sent me a rep on my defense spending post. I want to clarify that we need to be more selective about how we use our defense spending. We stick our noses in places that we shouldn't be (the U.S. has done that for a long time). We have to work on cutting out needless spending. However, the basic needs of the troops MUST be met, as well as the support they require when they get out of the service. That's where the budget funding has to start. After that, we talk about other budget needs...

Who has argued otherwise?

cutthemdown · 01-01-2013, 03:16 PM

The Senate passed a bill worthy of DC lol. Almost 700 billion in taxes and not even 20 billion in spending cuts lol. What a joke. I hope the repubs in the House vote against it. Better to just get all the spending cuts by going over the cliff. They can pass a middle class tax cut after we hit sequestration.

elsid13 · 01-01-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkie

Lower education was better before the federal government got involved.

it was far better before everyone decide to create state test that graded and gave/took money to/from schools. Then add all the politics that have been played at the States Board of Education and you have system that is screwed.

elsid13 · 01-01-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

I think you are right Yoda.

Houghtam considering virtually every member of Congress is a millionaire or mega millionaire I really doubt they would care less.

*edit* HOLY ****!!!! Obama is giving all of the rat bastards a raise! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ess-pay-raise/

Would be a great symbolic statement if the people had that type of power.

Yes because that 00.5% is going to be a problem. For Congress that means that they get another additional $870.00 a year. For the average GS (which is GS-9 Step 5) it is about $270.00

cutthemdown · 01-01-2013, 06:40 PM

Obama got his tax raise. So now will liberals finally agree that he owns the economy going forward no matter how it goes?

Cito Pelon · 01-01-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Obama got his tax raise. So now will liberals finally agree that he owns the economy going forward no matter how it goes?

The House approved it 257-167, so some GOP'rs own the economy going forward also. The responsible ones, anyway. You're a partisan tool, cutt. Everything is the Dem's fault. This is a necessary first step to more comprehensive reform across the board.

Fedaykin · 01-01-2013, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

The House approved it 257-167, so some GOP'rs own the economy going forward also. The responsible ones, anyway. You're a partisan tool, cutt. Everything is the Dem's fault. This is a necessary first step to more comprehensive reform across the board.

Not to mention all they really did is put it off auto sequestration for another two months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ef_Act_of_2012

cutthemdown · 01-02-2013, 02:17 AM

Nope its all 100% Obama policy now. High taxes, high spending, big govt. Lets see how it works out.

peacepipe · 01-02-2013, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Nope its all 100% Obama policy now. High taxes, high spending, big govt. Lets see how it works out.

Worked great under Clinton.

peacepipe · 01-02-2013, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Nope its all 100% Obama policy now. High taxes, high spending, big govt. Lets see how it works out.

Worked great under Clinton.

frerottenextelway · 01-02-2013, 06:48 AM

The GOP is collapsing before our eyes. Such a shame lol

12-31-2012, 06:34 PM	#87
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,044	A particular poster, who shall remain nameless, sent me a rep on my defense spending post. I want to clarify that we need to be more selective about how we use our defense spending. We stick our noses in places that we shouldn't be (the U.S. has done that for a long time). We have to work on cutting out needless spending. However, the basic needs of the troops MUST be met, as well as the support they require when they get out of the service. That's where the budget funding has to start. After that, we talk about other budget needs... Last edited by Crushaholic; 12-31-2012 at 06:37 PM..

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12-31-2012, 05:05 AM	#77
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13,000	Last Sunday, Lindsay Graham was on Meet the Press and said that the Congressional Republicans need to realize that if you can get 87% of what you want, that's a good deal. Now think about that for a minute. Graham said this as if he was playing the voice of reason, as if settling for 87% of the GOP agenda would be magnanimous on their part. Someone should tell Graham that the GOP got thumped in the election. That means you don't get to dictate terms...you don't get to have 87% of what you want. That sums up the obstructionist GOP: they think it's a moderate position to expect to get 87% of they want in a deal following an election when they got their asses handed to them. I'm glad the President is standing up to them this time.

12-31-2012, 09:35 AM	#78
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,312	So once we go over the cliff I heard Obama is planning to resume his $4,000,000 vacation in Hawaii. I think the entire congress and especially the president should not be paid nor be able to vacation on our dime until this is figured out. Unbelievable disrespect to the tax payers of this country.

12-31-2012, 09:57 AM	#79
Bronco Yoda Stokley once... ...saved me from a beating Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,244	I say lock them ALL in a Hotel until things get worked out. Grover Norquist can clean all the rooms, cook & scrub the toilets with his finger.

12-31-2012, 11:27 AM	#83
Bronco Yoda Stokley once... ...saved me from a beating Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,244	I think maybe both sides secretly want to go over the cliff. They get to raise taxes and make cuts without anyone actually doing anything... but point fingers at each other. The Repubs will end up paying for it to some extent later , but Norquist already has their balls in olive jars neatly lined up across his mantel.

12-31-2012, 06:30 PM	#86
Bronco Yoda Stokley once... ...saved me from a beating Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,244	Higher education is the only thing we still do right. It's the lower education that's messed up beyond belief.

01-01-2013, 03:16 PM	#91
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,491	The Senate passed a bill worthy of DC lol. Almost 700 billion in taxes and not even 20 billion in spending cuts lol. What a joke. I hope the repubs in the House vote against it. Better to just get all the spending cuts by going over the cliff. They can pass a middle class tax cut after we hit sequestration.

01-01-2013, 06:40 PM	#94
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,491	Obama got his tax raise. So now will liberals finally agree that he owns the economy going forward no matter how it goes?

01-02-2013, 02:17 AM	#97
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,491	Nope its all 100% Obama policy now. High taxes, high spending, big govt. Lets see how it works out.

01-02-2013, 06:48 AM	#100
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	The GOP is collapsing before our eyes. Such a shame lol