Another tragedy at an elementary school

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Interesting, so it's just a theory that having lower capacity magazines might slow him down, so there's no reason to institute a ban, yet in theory someone could take out the shooter using a concealed weapon, so we should start arming our teachers and principals?

Good to know you can talk out both sides of your mouth.

And you claim liberals are the ones with talking points.

exactly a ban that makes no one safer is stupid. Why bother? Go ahead if you just want to feel better. newsflash i already live under those rules in CA. Good thing is all our guns will probably be able to still be legal. The point is any gun is going to kill effortlessly when wielded against unarmed people.

A .22 rifle with a 10 round magazine could kill little kids cmon. The only way to make little kids safer at school is more school security. Armed school security.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

exactly a ban that makes no one safer is stupid. Why bother? Go ahead if you just want to feel better. newsflash i already live under those rules in CA. Good thing is all our guns will probably be able to still be legal. The point is any gun is going to kill effortlessly when wielded against unarmed people.

A .22 rifle with a 10 round magazine could kill little kids cmon. The only way to make little kids safer at school is more school security. Armed school security.

And arming teachers is equally as stupid. It's a theory with less fact behind it than banning assault weapons and large capacity magazines.

So are you gonna take your tax gun and ammo purchases to pay for school security idea to Capitol Hill? Or are you still sticking with your increase class sizes and fire teachers to pay for security idea? Either one of those ideas is founded in an impeccable reality.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

And arming teachers is equally as stupid. It's a theory with less fact behind it than banning assault weapons and large capacity magazines.

So are you gonna take your tax gun and ammo purchases to pay for school security idea to Capitol Hill? Or are you still sticking with your increase class sizes and fire teachers to pay for security idea? Either one of those ideas is founded in an impeccable reality.

You dont like the tax ammo sales idea? I thought you would love that one honestly. I don't think arming all teachers is reasonable. I never said that. I said it would be reasonable to have the principal armed though. Obviously this would have to be a volunteer basis. I mean its already being done in some schools so to say its undoable seems untrue to me. The fact it is being done discounts your position. Also a lot of schools have armed guards.

An armed guard at every school would indeed save many more lives at schools then an assault weapons ban or other gun control measures.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

You dont like the tax ammo sales idea? I thought you would love that one honestly. I don't think arming all teachers is reasonable. I never said that. I said it would be reasonable to have the principal armed though. Obviously this would have to be a volunteer basis. I mean its already being done in some schools so to say its undoable seems untrue to me. The fact it is being done discounts your position. Also a lot of schools have armed guards.

An armed guard at every school would indeed save many more lives at schools then an assault weapons ban or other gun control measures.

Yeah, because putting a gun in the hands of a paper pusher is going to solve the problem. At least the idea of armed (and TRAINED) security guards would actually help.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Just a silly law calif already has. Big deal everyone carries 3-4 loaded magazines. Not like it makes people any safer. It just makes some dude who liked his 30 round clip when he goes shooting get screwed. Thats it. Also saying oh you want 30 round magazines? OH MAN WHY NOT GIVE YOU A TANK AND A NUCLEAR MISSILE. What a friggin joke. Your arguments are a joke and so are you.

When do you think the authorities or good samaritans are most likely to be able to return fire and stop a shooter in the most timely manner? When he is:

a.) Blasting away with a large capacity magazine or
b.) Stopping to reload frequently?

And are you really going to argue that a sport shooter is 'screwed' if they can't have huge clips? Really?

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

When do you think the authorities or good samaritans are most likely to be able to return fire and stop a shooter in the most timely manner? When he is:

a.) Blasting away with a large capacity magazine or
b.) Stopping to reload frequently?

And are you really going to argue that a sport shooter is 'screwed' if they can't have huge clips? Really?

A lot of people think the larger clips just jam up more but I will leave that argument to people who have the larger clips. Like i said in CA we already are under a lot of the rules Fienstien and the liberals are talking about in DC. Just warning you guys if you expect that to make your kids safer at school you are wrong.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

A lot of people think the larger clips just jam up more but I will leave that argument to people who have the larger clips. Like i said in CA we already are under a lot of the rules Fienstien and the liberals are talking about in DC. Just warning you guys if you expect that to make your kids safer at school you are wrong.

Giving more opportunities for a shootout to be ended quickly DOES make us safer -- and clip size, in particular, does that while having no impact whatsoever on sportsmen.

Does it completely solve the problem? No, of course not. Does it make a huge impact? Probably not. But given the 0 harm that it causes to legit uses, it's an easy decision to make.

[cutthemdown]

Hell gun death crimes were higher when we have the assault weapons ban in place Fed. That proves gun violence does not ebb or flow with assault rifles.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Hell gun death crimes were higher when we have the assault weapons ban in place Fed. That proves gun violence does not ebb or flow with assault rifles.

Back to just making **** up huh?



Since you are probably too rock dumb to understand it, that chart shows a ~40%+ decrease in firearm related deaths (per person AND per firearm) over the period of the AWB.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Back to just making **** up huh?



Since you are probably too rock dumb to understand it, that chart shows a ~40%+ decrease in firearm related deaths (per person AND per firearm) over the period of the AWB.

Big deal since the band expired its basically stayed the same. Not to mention that chart doesn't show anything about assault rifles. My point is you can't prove assault rifles are a problem fueling murders.

Also in the late 80's to mid 90's it was the peak of the la gang wars. When the truce hit murders decreased by about 600 a yr in the LA area. That probably had more to do with the decrease then your brady bill did.

[Arkie]

Half the world's guns are in the USA. It's part of the culture. You better protect your family if you want to live in this gun obsessed country. BTW, 99.8% of rapists polled prefer their victims unarmed.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Big deal since the band expired its basically stayed the same. Not to mention that chart doesn't show anything about assault rifles. My point is you can't prove assault rifles are a problem fueling murders.

Also in the late 80's to mid 90's it was the peak of the la gang wars. When the truce hit murders decreased by about 600 a yr in the LA area. That probably had more to do with the decrease then your brady bill did.

You should ask him why they continue to use numbers where the majority of what they show are suicides.

[lonestar]

Hey libs.

Numbers never lie.

Liars always figure.

With means to most if the thinking impaired of you. There are folks out there with an agenda that put stats together that are massaged they way they want them to come out.

It just takes semi critical thinking to get past thee bias in their message.

That is of course if you WANT to. Most of you are just looking to hear the worst. So you are in hog heaven.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Big deal since the band expired its basically stayed the same. Not to mention that chart doesn't show anything about assault rifles. My point is you can't prove assault rifles are a problem fueling murders.

Also in the late 80's to mid 90's it was the peak of the la gang wars. When the truce hit murders decreased by about 600 a yr in the LA area. That probably had more to do with the decrease then your brady bill did.

Hey moron. You said there was an INCREASE in gun deaths after the AWB. That's what I was responding to.

Pull your head out of your rectum once in a while.

Just because you're a dishonest POS and think you can make **** up as you go along doesn't mean I won't call you on it.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Hey libs.

Numbers never lie.

Liars always figure.

With means to most if the thinking impaired of you. There are folks out there with an agenda that put stats together that are massaged they way they want them to come out.

It just takes semi critical thinking to get past thee bias in their message.

That is of course if you WANT to. Most of you are just looking to hear the worst. So you are in hog heaven.

Hey lonestar. What is my position on gun control? I've talked about it many times here. Are you even aware?

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Hey lonestar. What is my position on gun control? I've talked about it many times here. Are you even aware?

Frankly I do not care. When you post a graph full of crap it pretty much shows you colors. From the past posts you have made you at full of lib.
That is all.

[Jetland]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Frankly I do not care. When you post a graph full of crap it pretty much shows you colors. From the past posts you have made you at full of lib.
That is all.

eh?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by lonestar

When you post a graph full of crap it pretty much shows you colors. From the past posts you have made you at full of lib.
That is all.

You should visit the original source...

http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2010/0...he-second.html

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Jetland

eh?

Typical spam response. From the libs left.

[Requiem]

Sounds like you are doing a bang up job of trying to be a better Christian. F.O.S.

[Jetland]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Sounds like you are doing a bang up job of trying to be a better Christian. F.O.S.

standard bearer

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Frankly I do not care. When you post a graph full of crap it pretty much shows you colors. From the past posts you have made you at full of lib.
That is all.

In other words. I'm someone you think you disagree with on everything, so there's no point in doing anything but name calling (and then, hilariously, b****ing about anyone who does exactly the same thing you do).

If you don't like what you see in that graph, try bringing evidence that it is incorrect. Simply name calling and whatever you imply by "shows you [sic] colors" is nothing short if complete dishonesty.

If you don't want to actually engage, that's fine too. But the childishness of simply trolling and tossing about some hypocritical name calling is pathetic.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by W*GS

You should visit the original source...

http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2010/0...he-second.html

Imagine his total lack of self awareness generated embarrassment even if he had the integrity necessary to look at that link and find out that the person making the graph:

a.) is pro gun rights
b.) attempting to disprove the idea that more guns = more deaths.

Of course, like I said, I only included it to show that cutlet was just making **** up when he said that more people were dying from gun violence after the AWB than before.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Imagine his total lack of self awareness generated embarrassment even if he had the integrity necessary to look at that link and find out that the person making the graph:

a.) is pro gun rights
b.) attempting to disprove the idea that more guns = more deaths.

Of course, like I said, I only included it to show that cutlet was just making **** up when he said that more people were dying from gun violence after the AWB than before.

Wow all of that because I posted. I'm faltered, you libs act like I care what you think. And before dream from peanut gallery chlimes in about my post not being Christain enough for him.

There is turning the other check and there is just being stupid.

I have at worst used the word libs to describe those in the far right

One would think those that are would wear it as a badge of honor. Instead of running from it.

Once again y'all confuse me with someone that cares what Y'all think about me.

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by lonestar

Wow all of that because I posted. I'm faltered, you libs act like I care what you think. And before dream from peanut gallery chlimes in about my post not being Christain enough for him.

There is turning the other check and there is just being stupid.

I have at worst used the word libs to describe those in the far right

One would think those that are would wear it as a badge of honor. Instead of running from it.

Once again y'all confuse me with someone that cares what Y'all think about me.

Just another idjit too confused to understand the the intent of something is what counts, not the form of something.