The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



View Poll Results: Do you consider the current Broncos an elite team?
Yes, we have all the ingredients from top to bottom 52 39.10%
No, shouldn't even be a question at this point. 5 3.76%
We're close let's see what we do in the playoffs that is the measure of elite 66 49.62%
It takes more than one season of playing at a high level before you can be considered elite. 10 7.52%
Voters: 133. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-27-2012, 12:15 PM   #26
BroncoBuff
***************
 
BroncoBuff's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Seattle
Posts: 25,829

Adopt-a-Bronco:
MALIK+QUANTERUS
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco John View Post
You have to win something to be elite. Maybe even a couple of times.
By that definition of "elite," we're not obviously. But there are teams who win something, then come back weak the next season, so they'd never be rated elite, even though they'd won a Super Bowl.

My definition of "elite" are the teams recognized as the 3 or 4 best at the time. We are elite by that definition.

Last edited by BroncoBuff; 12-27-2012 at 12:19 PM..
BroncoBuff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:16 PM   #27
bowtown
Ring of Famer
 
bowtown's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 9,807

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Aaron Brewer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaylore View Post
You clearly have a different definition. I don't think he means "Elite in the anals of NFL history." He means elite out of the teams playing right now. The Steelers have won SB's a few times. But they aren't even in the playoffs this post season. Are they elite?
And if there is one thing Kaylor knows, it's being Elite in the anals.
bowtown is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:21 PM   #28
Quoydogs
I can fix it .
 
Quoydogs's Avatar
 
Here's Johnny !

Join Date: May 2004
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 3,396

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Monte Ball
Default

How do we stack up stat wise to our 96-98 broncos team ? I know we don't have the rushing yards but I bet our passing yardage is way up. Can one of you stat dudes work that up ?
Quoydogs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:26 PM   #29
Requiem
~~~
 
Requiem's Avatar
 
~ ~ ~

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Earth Division
Posts: 22,978

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Princes of Tara
Default

We haven't won anything of substance yet. We are an extremely talented team.
Requiem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:31 PM   #30
ludo21
RIP Darrent Williams
 
ludo21's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 19,032

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Paul Ernster
Default

Yes, we are the best team in the NFL right now and playing the best.

Denver is elite in terms of being the best regular season team. Time to show it in the playoffs and 'ship!
ludo21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:33 PM   #31
DBroncos4life
Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU
 
DBroncos4life's Avatar
 
Bacon bits

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: The wrong side of right.
Posts: 28,524

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Julius "Fluff"
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quoydogs View Post
How do we stack up stat wise to our 96-98 broncos team ? I know we don't have the rushing yards but I bet our passing yardage is way up. Can one of you stat dudes work that up ?
Denver had 3429 yards passing in 1996, 5791 yards and 46 offensive TDs. Right now we have 5878 yards and 44 offensive TDs.
DBroncos4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:37 PM   #32
rbackfactory80
Ring of Famer
 
rbackfactory80's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 4,541
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DBroncos4life View Post
Denver had 3429 yards passing in 1996, 5791 yards and 46 offensive TDs. Right now we have 5878 yards and 44 offensive TDs.
This comparison is ridonkulous. It's a ton easier to pick up yards today.
rbackfactory80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:42 PM   #33
baja
It is what it Is.
 
baja's Avatar
 
Pay attention.

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: in the present moment
Posts: 58,417

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Chase Vaughn
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by broncocalijohn View Post
That is the thing. Two other teams in the playoffs and division winners beat us this season. Only way to get over that is to beat them or everyone else in the playoffs.

Drunken is correct. Giants showed themselves this season. Elite can't be a flash in the pan. In needs to show consistency.

For how long at some point you start talking about a dynasty.
baja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:45 PM   #34
DBroncos4life
Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU
 
DBroncos4life's Avatar
 
Bacon bits

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: The wrong side of right.
Posts: 28,524

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Julius "Fluff"
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rbackfactory80 View Post
This comparison is ridonkulous. It's a ton easier to pick up yards today.
So I shouldn't have answered him then?
DBroncos4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:47 PM   #35
rbackfactory80
Ring of Famer
 
rbackfactory80's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 4,541
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DBroncos4life View Post
So I shouldn't have answered him then?
Nah man, you did the right thing. Just too hard to compare.
rbackfactory80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:53 PM   #36
DBroncos4life
Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU
 
DBroncos4life's Avatar
 
Bacon bits

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: The wrong side of right.
Posts: 28,524

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Julius "Fluff"
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rbackfactory80 View Post
Nah man, you did the right thing. Just too hard to compare.
Well right now the 2011 defense has allowed just 76 more yards and 11 more points then the 1996 team. I think that is far more impressive.
DBroncos4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:53 PM   #37
baja
It is what it Is.
 
baja's Avatar
 
Pay attention.

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: in the present moment
Posts: 58,417

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Chase Vaughn
Default

According to poll voting so far 88% think the current Broncos are either elite or near elite.

Will we still be elite if we are one and done in the playoffs?
baja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 12:56 PM   #38
rbackfactory80
Ring of Famer
 
rbackfactory80's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 4,541
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DBroncos4life View Post
Well right now the 2011 defense has allowed just 76 more yards and 11 more points then the 1996 team. I think that is far more impressive.
Totally agree.

Side note--We keep NE under 30 we win.
rbackfactory80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:00 PM   #39
bombay
Ring of Famer
 
bombay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: denver
Posts: 5,236
Default

Yes. Excellent offense and defense, and special teams have been pretty good as well. Good veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, in addition to plenty of youthfull athleticism. Love this team.
bombay is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:03 PM   #40
Quoydogs
I can fix it .
 
Quoydogs's Avatar
 
Here's Johnny !

Join Date: May 2004
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 3,396

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Monte Ball
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bombay View Post
Yes. Excellent offense and defense, and special teams have been pretty good as well. Good veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, in addition to plenty of youthfull athleticism. Love this team.
This is the best part about it. With the exception of Champ and Manning they are babies. This team could be unstoppable in a few years.
Quoydogs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:15 PM   #41
B-Large
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by baja View Post
The phrase "elite team" is tossed around a lot this time of the year.


What makes a team "elite"
1.A group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.

A team with Manning throwing the rock, and with Miller and Doom able to tee-off with a lead, I would say this team is Elite or on the cusp. I think we can beat New England, the team I think in the class of the league right now. Until Manning retires this unit is going to be Elite....
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:19 PM   #42
B-Large
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bombay View Post
Yes. Excellent offense and defense, and special teams have been pretty good as well. Good veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, in addition to plenty of youthfull athleticism. Love this team.
Not too mention this team upgrades in the FA market and draft for the next few years as Manning refines his boys on Offense...

Not only do we take the AFCW to the house of sodom for the foreseeable future, watch out NFL as a whole....

You can't not be excited about this team...
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:39 PM   #43
huh??
Back in the 5280!
 
huh??'s Avatar
 
...pretty good at lurking.

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 456

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Steve Atwater
Default

It seems that there are a few definitions of the word. When someone says, "Elite", do others think, "Legen- wait for it... DARY"?
huh?? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:45 PM   #44
Bacchus
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default

I guess you'd have to consider them elite. If they aren't then who is in today's NFL?
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:50 PM   #45
SonOfLe-loLang
Young Buck
 
SonOfLe-loLang's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 19,088

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Thunder (RIP)
Default

I love how we are speaking like elite has some specific definition to football.
SonOfLe-loLang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 01:58 PM   #46
Fedaykin
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,882

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang View Post
I love how we are speaking like elite has some specific definition to football.
I would define it as statistically likely (based on on the field results) to end up in the first 3-5 places in the final pecking order.

The problem (and IMHO, fun) with football is the small # of games and the huge element of chance that brings to the table.
Fedaykin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 02:33 PM   #47
Atwater His Ass
Ring of Famer
 
Atwater His Ass's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,623

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Good team, not elite. It wasn't that long ago early in the season when this team was truely struggling. Hell at halftime of the 24-0 SD game, I remember having the feeling that this season was a wash. I love the strides this team has made and there is no doubt they are very good. But elite teams win championships. Regular season hero's are about as important as pre-season hero's if it doesn't translate into post-season success.

The post season is where elite teams and elite players are made.

I mean look at some posters on this board for example. All the posturing about when and if and where we would eventually play NE in the playoffs...elite teams don't worry about that kind of stuff. They just go out and take care of business. With the '98 team, did you really ever feel in danger against any opponent? I didn't. That's elite. Even with the '97 team, confidence was very high, but I remember being as nervous as ever on that harrowing trip on the road through PIT and KC, and then the SB against GB, I wasn't as confident as I was against ATL the next year. There was a real possiblity to lose against GB, not so much ATL.

My point is that for everyone worrying about NE, those people shouldn't be calling this team elite.

Last edited by Atwater His Ass; 12-27-2012 at 02:40 PM..
Atwater His Ass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 03:01 PM   #48
baja
It is what it Is.
 
baja's Avatar
 
Pay attention.

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: in the present moment
Posts: 58,417

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Chase Vaughn
Default

I'd say we have all the ingredients to be elite;

1. We have a HOF QB at least for a few years.

2. We have a good to great defense that is mostly young

3. We have great kicking / kick coverage / kick returning ST's is filled with young and upcoming studs.

4. We have young studs at every skill position

5. Most importantly the Broncos have what appears to be a 'elite' GM in the making. If that is true than we can be looking not only elite but dynasty. Hey why not.
baja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 03:19 PM   #49
cmhargrove
Is this thing on???
 
cmhargrove's Avatar
 
Travis Henry's love child...

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 6,704

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Peyton Hillis
Default

We still have a few things to prove in the playoffs. The key things in my mind are:

Can we keep a ground game going against strong playoff contenders? Can Moreno keep rolling, and even break a few big plays (game changers)?

Can we find a way to shut down exceptional tight ends? This has been a problem for many, many years.

Can we beat the Patriots (especially with everything on the line)?


Check off that list, and I will call us elite.
cmhargrove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 03:27 PM   #50
baja
It is what it Is.
 
baja's Avatar
 
Pay attention.

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: in the present moment
Posts: 58,417

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Chase Vaughn
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cmhargrove View Post
We still have a few things to prove in the playoffs. The key things in my mind are:

Can we keep a ground game going against strong playoff contenders? Can Moreno keep rolling, and even break a few big plays (game changers)?

Can we find a way to shut down exceptional tight ends? This has been a problem for many, many years.

Can we beat the Patriots (especially with everything on the line)?


Check off that list, and I will call us elite.
I would add just a few things. A viable back up to Manning (The Broncos needed to have hit on OSweiler). We need to find a good young smart MLB.

Obviously we have other needs but these are the deal breakers to elite.
baja is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:07 PM.


Denver Broncos