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Old 12-26-2012, 10:04 AM   #126
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Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.
Michael Strahan had 4 of those 14+ sack seasons in his 14 season career.

Reggie White only put up 14+ sacks in 7 of his 15 seasons.

Julius Peppers has only done it once in 10 seasons, that one time was 14.5.

Joey Porter did it once in 12 years.

James Harrison has done it once in 10.

Terrell Suggs has done it once, barely with 14.0 sacks, in 9 years.

Jared Allen has done it 4 times in his 8 year career.

See how crazy your standard is?

Breaking double digits is the mark of a sack specialist. That pushes you over a sack every other game, meaning he's a better than 50/50 bet to get one any given week.

Doom is a sack specialist on par with the majority of his peers. His he Jared Allen? No, but Miller is and Doom is still producing. That's a rare tandem to find.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:12 PM   #127
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Michael Strahan had 4 of those 14+ sack seasons in his 14 season career.

Reggie White only put up 14+ sacks in 7 of his 15 seasons.

Julius Peppers has only done it once in 10 seasons, that one time was 14.5.

Joey Porter did it once in 12 years.

James Harrison has done it once in 10.

Terrell Suggs has done it once, barely with 14.0 sacks, in 9 years.

Jared Allen has done it 4 times in his 8 year career.

See how crazy your standard is?

Breaking double digits is the mark of a sack specialist. That pushes you over a sack every other game, meaning he's a better than 50/50 bet to get one any given week.

Doom is a sack specialist on par with the majority of his peers. His he Jared Allen? No, but Miller is and Doom is still producing. That's a rare tandem to find.
The standard is not crazy. What's crazy is that you think that just because those guys were all each fantastic players that every single season they played surely must have been a fantastic season. You know, it is possible that fantastic players can have good seasons also. But the mere fact that now and then these types of players rise up and have fantastic seasons, that is the bar for a "fantastic" season.

But what are we talking about here? Very small difference between a good year and fantastic year. We're not that far apart in how we view Doom's season this year. You think it's fantastic, you think it's one for the ages, I think it's a good season.

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Old 12-26-2012, 12:31 PM   #128
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I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?
The Hollow Man syndrome.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:34 PM   #129
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I dont think you can really say that cause without von gets more chips and attention
I still see Miller come totally unblocked sometimes. You almost never see that from the dend spot doom plays.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:13 PM   #130
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I still see Miller come totally unblocked sometimes. You almost never see that from the dend spot doom plays.
Well, you don't know the blocking assignments so you can't really say that. In the last game, when Miller rushed free, that was a blown assignment, you could clearly see that.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:14 PM   #131
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Sacks per game:

Ware: 0.87
White: 0.85
Allen: 0.82
Thomas: 0.75
Matthews: 0.73
B Smith: 0.72
L Taylor: 0.72
Dumervil: 0.71
Abraham: 0.70
Greene: 0.70
Wake: 0.70
Dent: 0.68
Strahan: 0.66
Peppers: 0.66
Doleman: 0.65
Randle: 0.63
J Taylor: 0.60
Orakpo: 0.60
Umenyiora: 0.59
Hali: 0.57
Suggs: 0.57
Harrison: 0.48
Tuck: 0.44

Doom is way, way up there. This season he's been at 0.73, better than his career average.

For comparison, some of the new guys are going crazy:

A Smith: 1.08
Miller: 0.97
Watt: 0.84
Houston: 0.50

We're watching an all-time historic duo.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:19 PM   #132
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I don't know about you guys, but I notice Doom the most in the 4th quarter. IMO, he's the broncos best pass rusher late in games.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:24 PM   #133
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I don't know about you guys, but I notice Doom the most in the 4th quarter. IMO, he's the broncos best pass rusher late in games.
Agreed. But is it because teams are falling behind and have to start throwing every down, or is it because he steps it up in clutch time? Probably a bit of both.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:56 PM   #134
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Agreed. But is it because teams are falling behind and have to start throwing every down, or is it because he steps it up in clutch time? Probably a bit of both.
I think it has more to do with Doom not having to worry as much, if at all, about run stopping duties or anything else except getting to the QB. In those situations he gets to be one-dimensional, and it's the dimention he's best at.

For me I see Doom working hard most games. He seems a lot more aware than before in areas such as defending screens and draws. Although he does still get pushed past the QB by the OT a little more than I like, haivng Doom and Miller on this team is fantastic. If we could get a legitimate inside rush from the DT position just imagine how much better this pass rush could be. I think most of Wolfe's sacks have come when he was playing outside.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:25 PM   #135
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Must make it hard for him to walk.

HEYO!

Seriously though, good game for Doom and Von yesterday.

First post in the thread and still the best in the thread.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:51 PM   #136
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So how much does he make per sack?
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:33 PM   #137
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So how much does he make per sack?
Right now a bit over $1,700,000.00 per sack. At 11 sacks.

That is lot of scheckles.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:39 PM   #138
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Is "Pro Bowl, b****!" an acceptable answer to this argument?
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:44 PM   #139
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Yeah, I dont really know who you are, clearly you are a n00b here on this forum but let me educate you.

Everyone here watches every second of every game unless there is some catastrophic family emergency. (I missed the NE game this year because of one such catastrophic family emergency).

Also, everyone here is a de facto football genius and knows better than anyone who is actually employed by the NFL how to run a football organization. They are better at making draft picks, better at calling plays, better at evaluating who should start and better at adjustments after halftime.

Now, you seem to be up to speed on the state of affairs on the Orangemane. Please continue.
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Dumervil has been good/great this year and earned his money. He sustained an injury he's most likely been playing through.

I have no idea what this Zona kid is talking about. The problem with forums is, you don't know who has watched all the games. I've personally watched every second of every single game this year including pre-season. Combine that with watching all the interviews every week. I've personally watched every single interview that's been posted on the Broncos website this year...literally.

Doing so, it's a bit ridiculous sometimes to read some of the things people post on here.

There's been many times where Elvis has gotten a better pass rush than Von...and as of late, that's been the case. Yeah, Elvis's pass rush has been more CONSISTANT than Von Miller as of late.

Dumervil's run defense has been good this year, and as a matter of fact, you can't really say anyone's run defense has been bad considering Denver is tied for 2nd in the league in rush defense. JDR has said that the dline and pass rushers have had to adjust to the techniques they're playing. They're playing techniques that put run stopping at priority, and pass rushing second unless it's on obvious passing downs. You can see this when teams pass on first down and how our dlineman are faced up with with the olineman.
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Well, you don't know the blocking assignments so you can't really say that. In the last game, when Miller rushed free, that was a blown assignment, you could clearly see that.
What he is saying, and what your dumbass fails to grasp, is that LT's don't blow their assignment when their assignment is one of the best pass rushers from the DE spot in the league.

And yet Doom beats his man on more passing plays than not. Whether that is a sack is irrelevant. DOOM IS BEATING HIS MAN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ON PASSING PLAYS.

And, from one of the posters above, Doom is a top 10 pass rusher ALL TIME in sacks per game played.

Yet, he's not praise worthy to Zona.

God damn can you be a bigger ****ing douche bag?
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:38 PM   #141
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What he is saying, and what your dumbass fails to grasp, is that LT's don't blow their assignment when their assignment is one of the best pass rushers from the DE spot in the league.

And yet Doom beats his man on more passing plays than not. Whether that is a sack is irrelevant. DOOM IS BEATING HIS MAN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ON PASSING PLAYS.

And, from one of the posters above, Doom is a top 10 pass rusher ALL TIME in sacks per game played.

Yet, he's not praise worthy to Zona.

God damn can you be a bigger ****ing douche bag?
That's not a definitive list, that's just a bunch of guys I could think of. So, I went ahead and made a list of everyone in the NFL with at least 50 career sacks.

Elvis, at 0.71 sacks per game, is 7th behind only DeMarcus Ware, Reggie White, Jared Allen, Derrick Thomas, Lawrence Taylor, and Bruce Smith.

Also, if Kevin Greene gets elected (he is a finalist this year), every eligible player that has at least 0.70 sacks/game will be in the Hall of Fame.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:16 PM   #142
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:44 PM   #143
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Am I insane for thinking we should sign Anthony Spencer and turn him into a full time strong side DE?
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Old 12-28-2012, 06:04 PM   #144
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Am I insane for thinking we should sign Anthony Spencer and turn him into a full time strong side DE?
Wolfe, Ayers, and Malik Jackson are holding that job down pretty well with some strong competition, I'd rather keep letting them fight it out. Really looking forward to what those three could do next season when Jackson and Wolfe have a full year under their belt.
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