Shooting at Conn Elementary 27 dead including kids

[Bronco Yoda]

Lost in all this gun talk is the fact that this kid was mentally disturbed! The parent was totally irresponsible & it all set up for the perfect **** storm.

The CIA could not have created a more dangerous killing machine.

First of all the kid was seriously messed up. His own brother wouldn't live there anymore or even visit because he was afraid of him. The Husband and ex boyfriend was also freaked out over this kid. He should have been in a facility. There had been such a facility nearby but had been shut down due to budget cuts. The mother was clearly in denial but had recently talked about moving out west and putting him in such a facility but she obviously dragged her feet too long.

...but let's not talk about mental illness and the lack of proper care available.

Secondly the young man lived his life in their huge basement decked out in camo playing first person shooters all day long. Most kids can play these games without any problems... but obviously it's not the sort of thing that should be around a troubled mind!

... but let's not talk about personal responsibility and the breakdown of society.

Third... Her weapons were stored in the same basement right along with his video game camo decked out lair. And he grew up shooting them with her. Again.... not the sort of activity for a troubled mind. It's been reported that the guns were locked up but he probably already had a key considering they were avid shooters.

Then she starts leaving the disturbed young man alone for days on end while she was taking 3 day trips while leaving the kid pre cooked meals. Yet she knows that he should be in a facility and is working towards moving him there.

So obviously... let's get rid of all the guns.

Good thing the crazy ass kid didn't have gasoline or matches we'd all be in danger of now walking to work and sun baking our BBQ ribs on the grill.

[Bronco Yoda]

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[jerseyguy4]

Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

Lost in all this gun talk is the fact that this kid was mentally disturbed! The parent was totally irresponsible & it all set up for the perfect **** storm.

Yes, "a perfect storm", but not thee perfect storm. People need to be careful when playing the numbers game. What I mean is that there are so many people and so many guns in this country, that you can count on the fact that more scenarios just like this nutcase's life exist right now, even AFTER this happened. Right now, in some basement, some disturbed kid with access to guns has been playing Call of Duty for the last 20 straight hours. That doesn't mean he will do what Lanza did....but eventually, some kid, somewhere, will.

[Obushma]

I'd like to remind Americans, Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world. If you wonder why that is, take the time to watch this three min video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1O...yer_embedded#!

[DenverBrit]

There's the answer.

You only get to own a gun AFTER you've served in the military, had extensive training and have been declared sane and competent!

Merry Christmas!

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Obushma

I'd like to remind Americans, Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world.

Actually, several other countries have less crime than Switzerland. It's not the lowest in the world, and, you need to be more explicit as to what crime means.

Originally Posted by Obushma

If you wonder why that is, take the time to watch this three min video.

Switzerland's low crime rate doesn't have a lot to do with its militia weapons. That's a libertarian myth.

Gun politics in Switzerland

It's not the hoplophile utopia some wish it was.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Think about what you're saying.

Almost any car taken will have registration and insurance, which means liability is covered, and the victims, or family, have recourse.

Mostly bull****. If someone legitimately jacks your car your insurance isn't covering any liability whatsoever. They'll buy you a new car if you've got full covg. But they're not paying for any collateral damage to anyone else. When it comes to liability they mostly insure drivers not cars.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Mostly bull****. If someone legitimately jacks your car your insurance isn't covering any liability whatsoever. They'll buy you a new car if you've got full covg. But they're not paying for any collateral damage to anyone else. When it comes to liability they mostly insure drivers not cars.

You're talking about something completely different.

[DenverBrit]

The concept of gun owner liability insurance is gathering momentum.

Gun control
Insurance policy

Dec 26th 2012, 14:45 by M.S.

NOURIEL ROUBINI, a guy who knows a lot about risk, tweets in favour of mandatory liability insurance for gun owners: http://tweetwood.com/Nouriel/tweet/283912306671366144

If we had liability insurance on guns, as we do 4 cars, we will see which insurance company would insure at which price folks with arsenals

It's an idea that seems to be gathering a bit of steam. At Forbes.com, John Wasik lays out the logic behind treating firearm deaths as a market externality to be compensated via insurance, as we do with cars: "Those most at risk to commit a gun crime would be known to the actuaries doing the research for insurers... An 80-year-old married woman in Fort Lauderdale would get a great rate. A 20-year-old in inner-city Chicago wouldn’t be able to afford it. A 32-year-old man with a record of drunk driving and domestic violence would have a similar problem." Robert Cyran and Reynolds Holding write that mandatory liability insurance is a measure that could pass Supreme Court muster where other restrictions might fail: "[T]here’s a strong argument that damage caused by firearms gives the government a 'compelling interest' to require insurance, the test for infringing a constitutional right."

More.........http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ.../gun-control-0

[Meck77]

Well if some ahole wants to shoot up a school in AZ it's likely he will get shot at bythe principal or another employee before the police arrive.

Arizona leading the way to protecting their children.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/26/us/ari...html?hpt=hp_t3


Obama's children go to school with 11 armed security officers. Why should the President's children be protected with guns and not yours?


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Secret-Service

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

The concept of gun owner liability insurance is gathering momentum.




More.........http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ.../gun-control-0

Again pure fantasy. Expecting someone willing to commit murder is going to line up for gun liability insurance because the law says they should.

Just curious, in your fantasy candy land is there no such thing as uninsured motorists?

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

Again pure fantasy. Expecting someone willing to commit murder is going to line up for gun liability insurance because the law says they should.

Just curious, in your fantasy candy land is there no such thing as uninsured motorists?

[BroncoBeavis]

DB's dream candidate





http://www.theonion.com/articles/joh...-by-2011,2235/

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

There's the answer.

You only get to own a gun AFTER you've served in the military, had extensive training and have been declared sane and competent!

Merry Christmas!

Come on now, we all know a bunch of hicks, gang bangers, bumbling idiots, wanna be heros and socio/psychopaths are equivalent to trained, screened militia members.

[Requiem]

Has there been a website or foundation set up to help benefit the families who lost loved ones or children? Please link or let me know. Couldn't help but feel for all those impacted over the holiday.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Has there been a website or foundation set up to help benefit the families who lost loved ones or children? Please link or let me know. Couldn't help but feel for all those impacted over the holiday.

Yes many wesites, it didn't take the scumbags long to set them up.

The family of Noah Pozner was mourning their 6-year-old who was killed in the Newtown school massacre when their sorrow was compounded by outrage.

Someone they didn't know was soliciting donations in Noah's memory, claiming that they'd send any cards, packages and money collected to his parents and siblings. An official-looking website had been set up, with Noah's name as the address, even including petitions on gun control.

Noah's uncle, Alexis Haller, called on law enforcement authorities to seek out "these despicable people."

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2012/...in-for-profit/

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

Come on now, we all know a bunch of hicks, gang bangers, bumbling idiots, wanna be heros and socio/psychopaths are equivalent to trained, screened militia members.

You'd think so, when someone clueless points to Switzerland and say "see, they have guns and a low murder rate."

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

You'd think so, when anyone points to Switzerland and say "see, they have guns and a low murder rate."

It's a great model as long as you accept automatic, universal conscription. =)

[tesnyde]

The other sick ****s are coming out. Anyone see this guy and his twisted perception caught on video?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...iolated-687543

[ant1999e]

[ant1999e]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
cont...

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
cont...

Firearm offenses include all reported incidents....including carrying a replica or simply carrying a weapon. But guns are very slowly entering communities, mostly carried by adolescences.

Also from 2009:

Britain records 18% fall in gun deaths

The number of deaths in Britain from gunshot wounds has fallen to a 20-year low despite concerns about levels of violent crime.

Most of the 42 gun-related deaths last year took place in London, the West Midlands, Manchester or Merseyside, with swathes of the country recording no homicides, suicides or accidental deaths from firearms. One third of the victims were younger than 21 and four of them were female. The Gun Control Network, which campaigns for tougher restrictions on firearms, disclosed the figure, which was a sharp drop on 2007, when 51 gun-related deaths were recorded in England, Wales and Scotland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1232069.html
42 gun deaths? Long way to go to catch up with the 9000 here.

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1232069.html
42 gun deaths? Long way to go to catch up with the 9000 here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Apart from finding it funny, what was your point?

[BroncoBeavis]

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

Apart from finding it funny, what was your point?

Just that dosomethingism never rests.

Which I guess proves that every fight at every level is important.

Dosomethingers ask "why do you care about 30 round clips?"

And in all honesty, it's because someday it will be 10 round clips. Then 5. Then semi-automatics (if not before) Then anything above a single-shot. Followed by all firearms, and probably crossbows, down to knives. Maybe even longer-tined forks. Pretty much anything that can grab a headline will become a potential target.

Dosomethingism is a real b****.