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Old 12-24-2012, 11:39 AM   #26
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Different position, different scheme, different DC, different role...and Von takes some of his old sacks away.
Yep, but it goes both ways. Miller does take some of his sacks away but Miller's presence also opens the door as well. That means teams can't double Doom, or chip on him as much as they would like. You can't risk that with #58 out there. Or, you could do as the Browns did, and not even block Miller and let him come in free to destroy your QB, hahaha.
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Now I have to say I did not re-watch the game or do any rewinds in the game yesterday but, I seemed to notice that late in the game when pickings were good Miller was not on the field and if he was he was not near the QB at all..

Was he hurt i did not see him on the sideline?

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Old 12-24-2012, 11:48 AM   #28
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Now I have to say I did not re-watch the game or do any rewinds in the game yesterday but, I seemed to notice that late in the game when pickings were good Miller was not on the field and if he was he was not near the QB at all..

Was he hurt i did not see him on the sideline?

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I didn't see him get hurt. I noticed as the 4th qrt went along, more starters were phased out. Koppen went out, Clady went out, obviously Manning went out. I still saw Champ, Woodyard and it seemed like most of the defensive starters were in there.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:55 AM   #29
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Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.
Sure but add in his forced fumbles and QB pressures and it proves he is a player you better gameplan for.
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I like how there are 3 non 3-4 DE's or OLB in the top ten in sacks and Doom happens to be one of them yet a poster thinks we shouldn't start a thread praising him Sacks are WAY down this year for 4-3 DE's. Right now, last year Jared Allen had 22, Jason Babin had 18, and JPP had 16.5 sacks. Lets look at what those three players have this year. Allen 10, Babin 7, and JPP 6 sacks. Everyone of those guys are down at least 10 sacks. Doom from a 4-3 DE has been pretty much steady outside of the 2008 season. Which is prefect in my book.
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Different position, different scheme, different DC, different role...and Von takes some of his old sacks away.
When he had those 17 sacks...wasn't he playing the same role as Miller is now?
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I'm impressed Wolfe has 5. Didn't know what to expect from him this year.
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Props to Doom and isn't he the highest paid player on the team?
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Props to Doom and isn't he the highest paid player on the team?
this year yes..
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this year yes..

"You might want to check your math on that."

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Did you know that despite being selected 252 selections apart in the 2006 draft, Mario Williams (1st pick) Dumerville (253rd Pick) have the exact same number of career sacks at 63.5.
Shame on you! This is the Orangemane, there is no place for facts here.
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"You might want to check your math on that."

No Doom is.
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"You might want to check your math on that."

2012 14,000,000 423,000 4,525,000 18,948,000

Vs manning

2012 18,000,000 - - 18,000,000


Just barely but almost a mil.
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The Broncos are #3 against the run and lead the league in sacks. Doom leads all Broncos DL in sacks, and even though he represents 25% of the D line, he does not hurt us against the run. He is playing at a Pro Bowl level.

His sin? He is a Pro Bowl player on a defense with a "once in a decade" game changer, and IMHO, (Miller)is a potential HOF'er when all is said and done. Has Doom been the beneficiary of all the attention that Miller demands? Absolutely, but the point is that he is taking advantage of it and that is why he deserves props.

My best analogy is that Doom is the Scotty Pippen or James Worthy to the defense. And no, I am not comparing Miller to Jordan or Magic, just giving an analogy.
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2012 14,000,000 423,000 4,525,000 18,948,000

Vs manning

2012 18,000,000 - - 18,000,000


Just barely but almost a mil.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:45 PM   #41
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I'd like to point out that Doom is almost always going up against the LT. Who are generally the other teams best pass protector. He went up against a pro bowler in Joe Thomas yesterday and still had a good game. Not many DEs in the league I'd take over Doom.
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I'd like to point out his actual salary is 14 Mil, but he earned himself a bonus this season, so technically he is making more money than Manning but his salary is lower by quite a bit.
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You're wrong.
This.

Hard to imagine you're even being serious. We're very fortunate that Elvis is on our team. You'd be able to see just how big of an impact he makes if we had to replace what he brings.

*Knock on wood* Luckily, we don't have to.
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This.

Hard to imagine you're even being serious. We're very fortunate that Elvis is on our team. You'd be able to see just how big of an impact he makes if we had to replace what he brings.

*Knock on wood* Luckily, we don't have to.
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we need more DL depth as a whole and definitely need a DT to pair up with the young guys and keep improving the D.
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Dumervil has been good/great this year and earned his money. He sustained an injury he's most likely been playing through.

I have no idea what this Zona kid is talking about. The problem with forums is, you don't know who has watched all the games. I've personally watched every second of every single game this year including pre-season. Combine that with watching all the interviews every week. I've personally watched every single interview that's been posted on the Broncos website this year...literally.

Doing so, it's a bit ridiculous sometimes to read some of the things people post on here.

There's been many times where Elvis has gotten a better pass rush than Von...and as of late, that's been the case. Yeah, Elvis's pass rush has been more CONSISTANT than Von Miller as of late.

Dumervil's run defense has been good this year, and as a matter of fact, you can't really say anyone's run defense has been bad considering Denver is tied for 2nd in the league in rush defense. JDR has said that the dline and pass rushers have had to adjust to the techniques they're playing. They're playing techniques that put run stopping at priority, and pass rushing second unless it's on obvious passing downs. You can see this when teams pass on first down and how our dlineman are faced up with with the olineman.

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I thought he was really good yesterday. He's an inconsistent player, but most pass rushers are.
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Old 12-24-2012, 03:13 PM   #48
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Dumervil has been good/great this year and earned his money. He sustained an injury he's most likely been playing through.

I have no idea what this Zona kid is talking about. The problem with forums is, you don't know who has watched all the games. I've personally watched every second of every single game this year including pre-season. Combine that with watching all the interviews every week. I've personally watched every single interview that's been posted on the Broncos website this year...literally.

Doing so, it's a bit ridiculous sometimes to read some of the things people post on here.

There's been many times where Elvis has gotten a better pass rush than Von...and as of late, that's been the case. Yeah, Elvis's pass rush has been more CONSISTANT than Von Miller as of late.

Dumervil's run defense has been good this year, and as a matter of fact, you can't really say anyone's run defense has been bad considering Denver is tied for 2nd in the league in rush defense. JDR has said that the dline and pass rushers have had to adjust to the techniques they're playing. They're playing techniques that put run stopping at priority, and pass rushing second unless it's on obvious passing downs. You can see this when teams pass on first down and how our dlineman are faced up with with the olineman.
Hahaha, so funny. You said in your own words that Doom against the run has been good, and his sack totals this year are good. That's exactly what I said but you want to say we don't know what we're talking about.

Any of you think Doom has had a GREAT or FANTASTIC year are just being total homers. He's had a GOOD year and there's nothing wrong with that. Quit being such little b****es just because somebody has a SLIGHTLY different opinion. Good friggen lord you would have thought I said the guy sucks or something they way people react around here.
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IAOF stated a few weeks ago if you take away both games against the chargers dooms pass rush grade is negative. Hes disapeared a lot this year ive been criticle of him this year but he had an ok game yesterday.
I do not trust PFF's pass rush ratings. I've compared all of PFF's ratings to wins, and their pass rush ratings are the only one that does not correlate to wins. The raw data they supply (sacks, hits, hurries) does correlate to wins. Their ratings just don't really seem to be based in reality. For example, Elvis (3 sacks, 1 pressure)had a negative pass rush rating in the Cleveland game, while Bannan (0 sacks, 0 hits, 0 pressures) had a positive pass rush rating.
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Hahaha, so funny. You said in your own words that Doom against the run has been good, and his sack totals this year are good. That's exactly what I said but you want to say we don't know what we're talking about.

Any of you think Doom has had a GREAT or FANTASTIC year are just being total homers. He's had a GOOD year and there's nothing wrong with that. Quit being such little b****es just because somebody has a SLIGHTLY different opinion. Good friggen lord you would have thought I said the guy sucks or something they way people react around here.
No what's funny is you have no idea what you're talking about.

This is what you said

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Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.
Doom is a pass rushing specialist, however we have two on this team and there is a BETTER one on the other side of the field. Combine that with the fact that Dumervil is going up against the best pass blockers of every team... you'd have to be a got damn idiot to think he needs to have 14-16 sacks a season.

Add the fact that EVERYONE on the team is now accountable to stop the run, and if you read what I posted you'd see that Dumervil is ALSO playing techniques to stop the run. IF you watch the games you'd know.

Across from Dumrvil is a candidate for DPOY with pass rushing as his specialty... what the **** makes you think he needs to get 16 sacks a season to make himself great?

I mean 11 sacks and 6 forced fumbles (tied for 3rd in the league) doesn't mean anything?

And there is one game left... we can talk then but I highly doubt your level of intelligence will change.

I've seen some of your posts around here, you don't watch all the games...if any. You just look at stats.

Go sit outside and get a tan.

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