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Old 12-19-2012, 09:51 AM   #26
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Knowshon Moreno > Ryan Mathews?
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:53 AM   #27
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:04 AM   #28
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:43 AM   #29
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He's finally living up to his high draft pick. I'm genuinely happy, for him...
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:20 AM   #30
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He's looked great the last 3 weeks. Reading his blocks well, knowing when to cut back, and exploding when he sees the hole instead of dancing behind the line. Very exciting to finally see him play up to his abilities.
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He's looked great the last 3 weeks. Reading his blocks well, knowing when to cut back, and exploding when he sees the hole instead of dancing behind the line. Very exciting to finally see him play up to his abilities.
and that hurdle was sick !
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:28 AM   #32
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I'll gladly eat much crow if it means players are stepping up. Luckily never got on Moore last year but dude is also stepping up big time this year
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:10 PM   #33
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I'll gladly eat much crow if it means players are stepping up. Luckily never got on Moore last year but dude is also stepping up big time this year
Agreed still waiting on more plays on the ball but his.play is a night and day comparison between this year and last
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:38 PM   #34
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Moreno has been awesome since taking over for Willis

I think I am gonna start him over Trent Richardson in the championship game this week and see what happens
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:49 PM   #35
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:35 PM   #36
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I feel like Elway in the press box watching Tebow win.

Seriously though, very happy for Knowshon. He's always been a professional here and I think doing the scount team really humbled him.

Tom Nalen was saying working on the scout team they tell you to run like other backs and that may have helped him learn to stop dancing as much.
This winning thing...it's so hard to accept and enjoy! I'm still giddy over being at the game Sunday and witnessing what had never been done before.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:44 PM   #37
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He is reading his blocks better because he is actually getting blocks. Blocks help a runner. Just some football 101 for the haters. Blocks good, no blacks bad.
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Manning on Moreno getting AFC offensive player of the week: "It's awesome. ... It's a great lesson about being a professional."

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Old 12-19-2012, 06:41 PM   #39
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He is reading his blocks better because he is actually getting blocks. Blocks help a runner. Just some football 101 for the haters. Blocks good, no blacks bad.
Please get a clue. If you actually watched closely Knowshon has improved reading blocks better than last year and the year before that. He used to dance behind the line way too much in the past. What I'm seeing is that he sees a hole and explodes through it now; he is also showing patience for the blocking to develop unlike years past. The hate from before was deserved. He is a first round pick that looked like an undrafted back; and if he wasn't benched for 8 weeks and learned a few things he would still be called a bust.
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Great game from him last week. Look forward to seeing if he can continue to maintain as we progress into the playoffs.
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Please get a clue. If you actually watched closely Knowshon has improved reading blocks better than last year and the year before that. He used to dance behind the line way too much in the past. What I'm seeing is that he sees a hole and explodes through it now; he is also showing patience for the blocking to develop unlike years past. The hate from before was deserved. He is a first round pick that looked like an undrafted back; and if he wasn't benched for 8 weeks and learned a few things he would still be called a bust.
Please get a clue! If you actually watched closely, Knowshon used to get hit behind the LOS because our OL sucked at run blocking. Knowshon had to fight most of the time just to get back to the LOS.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:56 PM   #42
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The hate from before was deserved. He is a first round pick that looked like an undrafted back; and if he wasn't benched for 8 weeks and learned a few things he would still be called a bust.
No. Our OL was horrid at Run Blocking his rookie year, and it is still below average. Knowshon is simply improved to a point where he can mask our OL's flaws, he couldn't do this as a rookie.

If you rewatch the last 4 games, very rarely do you see a running play go as planned due to the ineptitude of the hogs. It is typically fairly obvious where a run play is going if you can pause the play a second after it starts. Those who played ILB know you read guards and come off their asses, as that is where the run should be.

Watching our OL and the run game, they are consistently beaten to their presumed responsibility, engage no one at all, or are straight up overpowered. Knowshon and his improved mental grasp of the RB position has made countless necessary drive saving cuts and ad libs in the run game to mask these mistakes. McGahee did this much as well, albeit he was a much worse pass protecter and receiver, plus the fumbles.

Moreno is the run game at is point, not the OL. Not to say they are awful at run blocking, but they are definitely not good, at least without Kuper. What I am saying is that Moreno is playing and producing much better than the OL is helping him with and blocking for. Several times a week you see a LB or DL come in and make the tackle for a loss almost immediately, due to a lackluster blocking effort, or no block at all.

The majority of the positive plays in the run game these past four weeks have been due to Moreno seeing a cutback lane because the hole the run was designed to go through is clogged with DL and LBs the OL failed to remove. Average back can't do this, good to great ones can. Moreno can, McGahee can, Hillman cannot, Ball cannot, Hester cannot.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:07 PM   #44
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Moreno always had the talent to be a good back. Being on the practice squad was the best thing that ever happened to him. Plus, being around Peyton seems to work well with Moreno. As a result of his play, I don't think RB will be a big issue this offseason.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:47 PM   #45
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You could see he always had talent in between running up the backs of his blockers and apart from his dancing around looking for a hole to open up there were some truly great runs. His shoe coming off play after play was annoying to all. His attitude did not help him either but under it all the talent was there. Then came the injury and many here were angry at him for getting injured. He came back too early and it hurt him. He gave great effort but he was not healed up yet, then came his untimely fumble. The following week he was placed on the inactive list and many here declared him a bust. He stayed there for 8 weeks. Knowshon took the situation as an opportunity to heal and pick up his game. Many players would not have survived this but Knowshon handled it in an exemplary fashion. He believed in himself even if few fans did. He waited patiently for his chance and when he got it he did not fail even though he knew that Coach Fox had said this was his last chance, so with his career on the line he played at a very high level. i wonder how many of us would have handled the saga as well as Knowshon Moreno did?
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Moreno always had the talent to be a good back. Being on the practice squad was the best thing that ever happened to him. Plus, being around Peyton seems to work well with Moreno. As a result of his play, I don't think RB will be a big issue this offseason.
So glad he resurrected his career as a Bronco. I was worried we'd let him go to NE for a 4th round pick, and then become a Pro Bowler.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:26 PM   #47
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Please get a clue! If you actually watched closely, Knowshon used to get hit behind the LOS because our OL sucked at run blocking. Knowshon had to fight most of the time just to get back to the LOS.
I've watched every Broncos game since Knowshon was drafted. The line play has improved a bit, but still doesn't hide the fact that he was lost as a running back his last 2 years before he finally started to get it. He was benched in favour of McGahee, a running back who was playing full back for the Ravens. If I still didn't get it, then I guess the coaches didn't get it either.
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:35 AM   #48
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I've watched every Broncos game since Knowshon was drafted. The line play has improved a bit, but still doesn't hide the fact that he was lost as a running back his last 2 years before he finally started to get it. He was benched in favour of McGahee, a running back who was playing full back for the Ravens. If I still didn't get it, then I guess the coaches didn't get it either.
Most of us have watched every game, so that isn't a credential. His last 2 years you refer to were 1 year that he was the most productive offensive player behind Loyd on a team that was falling apart...followed by a season that looked like it might be his breakout, before tearing his knee.

If you did watch those games in 2008 and 2009 then you should remember his dodging defenders in the backfield on a play by play basis.
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