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Old 12-17-2012, 02:50 PM   #51
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:56 PM   #52
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Browns aren't that bad of a football team, not really good either, about average.
This game we should win easily though.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:57 PM   #53
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Not a trap game. Let's say hypothetically the Browns come out fired up and play a solid game. Weeden might go 27-34 with 230 yards and a touchdown (a nice game for him), let's say Richardson goes 20-110 and touchdown and they get another miscellaneous touchdown on a turnover, punt return etc. They also get a field-goal. That's 24 points. Even assuming this best case scenario are they going to hold this team to under 24 points, with a minimal pass rush and a mediocre secondary?
BRONCOS 17 - CHIEFS 9
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:00 PM   #54
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Still an 8 point spread and a road game against a traditional rival.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:12 PM   #55
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Still an 8 point spread and a road game against a traditional rival.
Exactly. We just have weird things happen to us in Arrowhead. We're two missed field goals away from 23-9.

We've historically dominated the Browns and get them at home.
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:27 PM   #56
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Because this staff has them playing hard and going in the right direction. You don't fire guys that ARE improving your team in favor of for guys that MIGHT. Like I said I hope it all blows up in their face.
that means nothing to a brand new owner and regime. all they see is 4-12 first year, 5-9 currently with a 2nd straight season of finishing 4th in the division with a coaching staff they didn't hire.
the guys playing hard for the Browns is nice, but if you're a new regime and you butt is on the line with the boss if you don't win, would you personally stake your job on a guy who can get guys to play hard but isn't getting the wins needed?
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:32 PM   #57
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that means nothing to a brand new owner and regime. all they see is 4-12 first year, 5-9 currently with a 2nd straight season of finishing 4th in the division with a coaching staff they didn't hire.
the guys playing hard for the Browns is nice, but if you're a new regime and you butt is on the line with the boss if you don't win, would you personally stake your job on a guy who can get guys to play hard but isn't getting the wins needed?
They are not going to fire a new GM for retaining a coaching staff for one year if they don't improve. As is there are going to be a lot of HC openings that will look more attractive then what the Browns have to offer. You don't build winning franchise like the Steelers by firing coaches every two seasons , you stay the Browns by doing that.
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They are not going to fire a new GM for retaining a coaching staff for one year if they don't improve. As is there are going to be a lot of HC openings that will look more attractive then what the Browns have to offer. You don't build winning franchise like the Steelers by firing coaches every two seasons , you stay the Browns by doing that.
how many gm's get to hold onto their jobs if the 2nd coach doesn't work out? say he does keep Shurmur one more year and then they don't improve enough to keep him around another year.
you hire the next coach and this would be your first HC that you handpicked.
if he doesn't work out you get blamed for setting the franchise back by not making a move sooner and now the guy you pick doesn't work so you're likely canned.

easier to start off with your guy and if it doesn't work out then you hire another one and live with it.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:18 PM   #59
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1,200 APY and 12 touchdowns. The Browns do not have that good of an OL either. I'd say he is doing pretty good for a rookie. He isn't Al Morris or Doug Martin, but what can ya do?
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the browns are pretty ok. this talk of benching starters for a game when we're fighting for a bye is idiotic.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:35 AM   #61
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:38 AM   #62
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Weve bottled up every top tier rb (aside from NE and queefs but we were stuck in nickle) all year. I suspect t-rich goes nooooo where dis week
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This isn't a trap game.

Let's assume the Browns defense plays light's out and really puts the breaks on our offense (unlikely, but let's pretend). Let's say the Browns return a kick for a TD and somehow their run game grinds it out. Even with all of that - a perfect storm of things, if you will, do you honestly think they hold us to less than 17 at home?

If the game is on the line and the Browns need a score, are you scared of Brandon Weeden?

Do you think our corners are going to have hard time containing Greg Little and Josh Gordon?

This isn't a trap game. MAYBE if it was on the road, but I would still predict a win. I do think it will be closer than some think, but not much closer.
There is no such thing as a trap game when Peyton Manning is running your huddles.
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There is no such thing as a trap game when Peyton Manning is running your huddles.
This is really true. Manning takes everyone seriously.
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Trap game? Browns better prepare their anuses/anusii.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:03 AM   #68
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Exactly. We just have weird things happen to us in Arrowhead. We're two missed field goals away from 23-9.

We've historically dominated the Browns and get them at home.
Additionally, in our final game vs. the Chiefs.....normally I would say that the Chiefs would play their butts off to be a "spoiler" (see last year, when we almost missed the playoffs).

But this year....I have a feeling the Chiefs might tank the game, to ensure themselves the #1 pick in the draft. Currently, it's between them and the Jags.
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Well...if the Broncos keep doing this:



I think we will be alright.

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There is no such thing as a trap game when Peyton Manning is running your huddles.
I agree Manning is the very best person you could have when it comes to not succumbing to a trap game but this game still fits the description of a trap game.
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I think we will be alright.

The turnaround that Knowshon has made this season has to be one of the biggest I've ever seen a player make. I really credit Fox with sitting KM for 8 games. That was the kind of coaching decision that not many coaches would even see, let alone make. He put the fire back in Knowshon's belly. THAT is coaching.
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Additionally, in our final game vs. the Chiefs.....normally I would say that the Chiefs would play their butts off to be a "spoiler" (see last year, when we almost missed the playoffs).

But this year....I have a feeling the Chiefs might tank the game, to ensure themselves the #1 pick in the draft. Currently, it's between them and the Jags.
We got their best shot at Arrowhead and probably played the worst game of the winning streak and still won by 8 on the road. Prater hits two makeable field goals and it's a 14 point spread.

If the two seed is on the line we will crush them. I'm talking 4 or 5 touchdown crush them. Bowe is on IR. Albert is hurt, Quinn is terrible, Baldwin is terrible, Romeo is terrible. Daboll is probably the worst play caller in the league.
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The turnaround that Knowshon has made this season has to be one of the biggest I've ever seen a player make. I really credit Fox with sitting KM for 8 games. That was the kind of coaching decision that not many coaches would even see, let alone make. He put the fire back in Knowshon's belly. THAT is coaching.

I agree. I also think Knowshon is having things slow down for him. Several times vs the Ravens he would hit the hole, see where his blocking was going and get what he could get, rather then running right into the pile or trying to dance away from it. Maturity as a runner is a good thing.

Plus he hurdled Ed Reed. It is pretty sweet.

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We got their best shot at Arrowhead and probably played the worst game of the winning streak and still won by 8 on the road. Prater hits two makeable field goals and it's a 14 point spread.

If the two seed is on the line we will crush them. I'm talking 4 or 5 touchdown crush them. Bowe is on IR. Albert is hurt, Quinn is terrible, Baldwin is terrible, Romeo is terrible. Daboll is probably the worst play caller in the league.
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The turnaround that Knowshon has made this season has to be one of the biggest I've ever seen a player make. I really credit Fox with sitting KM for 8 games. That was the kind of coaching decision that not many coaches would even see, let alone make. He put the fire back in Knowshon's belly. THAT is coaching.
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