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Old 12-07-2012, 11:37 AM   #351
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This thread is Gold!!! Will love seeing this thread after he is kicking ass in the playoffs on our home turf!!! Yup 2 games!!! We are going to get the second seed and make a big push in the playoffs, and KM is going to be a big part of it. Super Bowl? Not sure. Depends how healthy we make it there.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:12 PM   #352
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This thread is Gold!!! Will love seeing this thread after he is kicking ass in the playoffs on our home turf!!! Yup 2 games!!! We are going to get the second seed and make a big push in the playoffs, and KM is going to be a big part of it. Super Bowl? Not sure. Depends how healthy we make it there.
I was thinking next year, but I think we could do it this year.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:19 PM   #353
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Starting to come around on Moreno, looks completely different than his previous years. Seems he's starting to "get it" - no more dancing, hit the hole and move upfield. Good job!
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:37 PM   #354
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Still think McGahee is better and will be the starter once he gets back, but Moreno's done some nice work. It's nice that it's not too much of a dropoff after all. He's definitely shown he deserves to be kept around and to get some playing time and a larger share of the carries going forward. Next year he might be able to push Willis for the starting job or at least get a 50/50 or 60/40 split with a bit of Hillman sprinkled in.

The biggest thing I noticed today (other than Moreno's 115 yards including an absolutely sick hurdle of Ed Reed ) was the disappearance of Lance Ball. Fine with me, cause I've never been very impressed by him, but man, Jacob Hester comes in off the street and takes all your carries? Ouch.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:43 PM   #355
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Still think McGahee is better and will be the starter once he gets back, but Moreno's done some nice work. It's nice that it's not too much of a dropoff after all. He's definitely shown he deserves to be kept around and to get some playing time and a larger share of the carries going forward. Next year he might be able to push Willis for the starting job or at least get a 50/50 or 60/40 split with a bit of Hillman sprinkled in.

The biggest thing I noticed today (other than Moreno's 115 yards including an absolutely sick hurdle of Ed Reed ) was the disappearance of Lance Ball. Fine with me, cause I've never been very impressed by him, but man, Jacob Hester comes in off the street and takes all your carries? Ouch.
Yet Moreno is outplaying McGahee in every facet of the game, and not fumbling at the league leading rate McGahee was.

Moreno should remain the starter.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:57 PM   #356
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If Moreno keeps this up until the afc championship, why would you start a cold back who wasn't that great to begin with
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:01 PM   #357
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If Moreno keeps this up until the afc championship, why would you start a cold back who wasn't that great to begin with
If Moreno keeps this up, Fox will ride him as far the season goes.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:09 PM   #358
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Holy crap that leap. Holy crap that push!

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Old 12-16-2012, 07:12 PM   #359
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Yet Moreno is outplaying McGahee in every facet of the game, and not fumbling at the league leading rate McGahee was.

Moreno should remain the starter.
Yeah, Moreno is currently outplaying McGahee...because McGahee's injured.
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If Moreno keeps this up until the afc championship, why would you start a cold back who wasn't that great to begin with
Because even after today's big game, Moreno's still averaging under 4 yards a carry. And you're not supposed to lose your job because of an injury. If McGahee can't get all the way back this season, that's one thing. But otherwise, McGahee's your guy even if Moreno has earned a larger share of the carries going forward. I could see Fox going to a 50/50 split or maybe 50/40/10 (with Hillman the 10) assuming Willis gets back for the AFC Championship Game and the Broncos make it that far. Think Moreno will be given the chance to win the job next season, though.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:58 PM   #361
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Out comes the YPC stats lol...
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:00 PM   #362
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Yeah, Moreno is currently outplaying McGahee...because McGahee's injured.
Moreno is outplaying mcgahee if only for the simple fact that he's not fumbling at least once a game
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:13 PM   #363
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Yeah, Moreno is currently outplaying McGahee...because McGahee's injured.
No, he's outplaying McGahee because he's averaging nearly 100 yards rushing in his starts, along with 0 fumbles and an additional 20+ yards recieving. Not to mention he is trusted hugely with pass protection, staying in an average of 10 times a game for pass pro compared to McGahee's 4.

Moreno is playing better than McGahee was in this offense, therefore he will rightfully remain the starter. McGahee lost us games early in the season, particularly the pats game. Moreno is carrying us at times. Moreno is our running game. McGahee did well when he was able to hold on to the ball, but Knowshon is doing better, while not turning it over at the league leading pace McGahee was. One fumble every 33 carries vs 1 fumble every 102 and counting.

Added note - Moreno had 22 carries for 118 yards today. The rest of the team had 23 carries for 45 yards. Food for thought.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:16 PM   #364
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Out comes the YPC stats lol...
It is a bit ridiculous people will cling onto any stat to discredit him.

In his 4 starts, he is averaging 4.2 YPC
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:23 PM   #365
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Because even after today's big game, Moreno's still averaging under 4 yards a carry

As a starter he's averaging 98 yards rushing per game and 4.1 yards per carry...add in his receiving stats and he's averaging 125 total yards per game


And you're not supposed to lose your job because of an injury.

Tell that to Wally Pipp and Drew Bledsoe....


If McGahee can't get all the way back this season, that's one thing. But otherwise, McGahee's your guy even if Moreno has earned a larger share of the carries going forward. I could see Fox going to a 50/50 split or maybe 50/40/10 (with Hillman the 10) assuming Willis gets back for the AFC Championship Game and the Broncos make it that far. Think Moreno will be given the chance to win the job next season, though.

If Moreno keeps playing this well, I doubt McGahee gets a lot of carries if he returns....

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Old 12-16-2012, 09:26 PM   #366
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Added note - Moreno had 22 carries for 118 yards today. The rest of the team had 23 carries for 45 yards. Food for thought.
Yes, but how many of those other carries came when the game had already been decided and everyone in the stadium knew we were running safe run plays to kill the clock? it's pretty easy to stop that.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:29 PM   #367
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And by the way, this is football not baseball. Throw out the stats and go with your eyes. If it weren't for McGahee's fumble issues there is not a person here who could say with a straight face that Moreno is a better running back. He shows glimpses, at times. But McGahee, although lacking top end speed to break away, is explosive. When the line was blocking he was routinely cutting up the field for 8 to 12 yards a play.

It would be nice to have both of them. It would be really nice if Hillman started to progress. It's looking like it's going to take him some time.
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Yes, but how many of those other carries came when the game had already been decided and everyone in the stadium knew we were running safe run plays to kill the clock? it's pretty easy to stop that.
Right and when Moreno was the guy getting those carries in other games the haters then pointed at his artificially reduced YPC average as some sign he wasn't actually playing well. You can't have it both ways.
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And by the way, this is football not baseball. Throw out the stats and go with your eyes. If it weren't for McGahee's fumble issues there is not a person here who could say with a straight face that Moreno is a better running back. He shows glimpses, at times. But McGahee, although lacking top end speed to break away, is explosive. When the line was blocking he was routinely cutting up the field for 8 to 12 yards a play.

It would be nice to have both of them. It would be really nice if Hillman started to progress. It's looking like it's going to take him some time.
You can argue that McGahee was playing as well as Moreno is right now before he was injured, but only if you ignore all the stupid fumbles. I don't ignore stupid fumbles do you?
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And by the way, this is football not baseball. Throw out the stats and go with your eyes. If it weren't for McGahee's fumble issues there is not a person here who could say with a straight face that Moreno is a better running back.

Wasn't it a fumble that got Moreno banished to scout team?Why should McGahee be excluded from such a punishment as well?

He shows glimpses, at times. But McGahee, although lacking top end speed to break away, is explosive. When the line was blocking he was routinely cutting up the field for 8 to 12 yards a play.

So has Moreno...98 yards per start is pretty damn impressive. 125 total yards per game.

It would be nice to have both of them. It would be really nice if Hillman started to progress. It's looking like it's going to take him some time.

Hillman had a few decent runs as well...and had over 40 yards today until we decided to run into the teeth of 9 man rush to kill the clock.

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Old 12-16-2012, 09:42 PM   #371
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KM has definitely impressed and it seems he is seizing the opportunity. Pretty good for a guy who seemed to be on his way out of Denver.

That attempted hurdle over Reed was awesome to see. KM looked really good at the stadium today, I am sure it stood out even more on TV.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:53 PM   #372
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On top of his kickass rushing stats, Knowshon did not lose a single shoe today!
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:33 PM   #373
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Yeah, Moreno is currently outplaying McGahee...because McGahee's injured.
No, right now Moreno is the more valuable player to the Broncos.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:33 PM   #374
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I can't stop calling him Knowshon Atwater.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:35 PM   #375
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Props to Moreno. He is running like I didn't think was possible which is tough running, wrapping up the ball with 2 hands and playing well. I have crow to eat.
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