Shooting at Conn Elementary 27 dead including kids

[Requiem]

Only simple minded fools would try to link a madman's shooting to the moral decay of society, aka -- an unchristian nation. Take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your asses and stop trying to justify your belief system because of these tragic events. Using dead children to promote your agenda is ****ing sick.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by gunns

I'm one who believes that heaven is a better, yet obivously unknown place. I would never believe my children were "chosen" to die. I believe God loves EVERYONE equally and because of free agency given to us, God is in mourning over the choice of a young man. But those children were most special to God and were welcomed directly into his arms. As a parent, even with those beliefs, my heart would be torn out, my hopes and dreams shattered. Yes, I would turn to God for some sense of relief but I know only time would make it easier, but would never heal the huge hole in my life.

This was not God's will, it was Adam Lanza's choice. And I feel God is sad about that, for those children and for Adam.

That's the difficulty I suppose, in not believing. There is nowhere to turn to for comfort. This is such a horrible event that I look for a reason, or some kind of rationale, or some kind of explanation, but in reality, there simply isn't one. We are left with empty hands, left to find peace as best we can. As the father of three sons I cannot contemplate such grief as these parents must feel. Shalom.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Originally Posted by sinuous sausage

sure, but plenty of autistic people never develop an urge to go shoot-up an elementary school. what else is at play?

Parental failure. How does a kid with a known personality disorder gain access to firearms and know how to use them with such efficiency?

[baja]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Only simple minded fools would try to link a madman's shooting to the moral decay of society, aka -- an unchristian nation. Take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your asses and stop trying to justify your belief system because of these tragic events. Using dead children to promote your agenda is ****ing sick.

Christianity has no exclusivity on morality. In fact one could make a case that because of the level of Judgment taught in most religious sects their members are less moral that non secular persons.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

Parental failure. How does a kid with a known personality disorder gain access to firearms and know how to use them with such efficiency?

A combination of poor parenting, easy access to firearms and very difficult access to proper mental health care.

[BroncsCheer]

I slept in my 4yo's bed with her last night, not wanting to let her out of my grasp. I had hoped to have a kind of clarity this morning when I woke up about this, but all I can think of are the presents under Connecticut trees that won't be opened by their intended recipients, families that have been crippled, and the de facto crowdsourcing that is going on all over the Internet for a solution to the obvious problem. No clarity. .....

Mental health issues are the gorilla in the room.
Drugs, continuous unfiltered information, poor parenting, and personal property and privacy rights are the catalysts that make pinning the gorilla down so difficult.

All of us should say 'I love you' to at least one other person today and every day.

That's all I got.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

Parental failure. How does a kid with a known personality disorder gain access to firearms and know how to use them with such efficiency?

I just want to let you know, that rep message you sent me was the most vile I've ever received in all the years I've been on this board.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by sinuous sausage

meh. if god exists, I wouldn't imagine he solicits your or anyone else's advice on what he can or cannot do. the emotional blowback from catastrophes is certainly understandable, but don't you wonder from where your sense of injustice comes? if an act really is evil, it means good and evil exist, and that infers god. I can't figuratively beat god into a nonentity with the concepts that only a god could ever give me. that's illogical.

Natural disasters are on another level of seeming senselessness, in that there is no human free will involved.

Or it could mean that if man invented god, then he has those attributes in himself and when he imagined a god, he invested him with those, what he considered the best parts of himself?

[swaiy]

Why does this have to turn into a crusade to cast doubt as to whether God exists or not? If you believe, you believe. If you don't, you don't. You guys need to step off.

No matter what you believe, kids died. It is possible to talk about that tragic event without attacking religious beliefs or lack of them. Good grief.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I just want to let you know, that rep message you sent me was the most vile I've ever received in all the years I've been on this board.

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I just want to let you know (and everyone else on the Mane), that rep message you sent me was the most vile I've ever received in all the years I've been on this board.

Fixed it for you .... I bet you were a tattle-tail in school.......

[rugbythug]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Only simple minded fools would try to link a madman's shooting to the moral decay of society, aka -- an unchristian nation. Take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your asses and stop trying to justify your belief system because of these tragic events. Using dead children to promote your agenda is ****ing sick.

Using Dead children to attack an opposing posters belief is hypocritical.

[Irish Stout]

Originally Posted by broncobum6162

Just ask the people of NY and Chicago how the ban on weapons has affected the crime rate.........

Crime has done nothing but drop in NYC. I remember hearing a couple years ago that they had the lowest homicides since 1963.

People don't seem to get that there can be gun regulation without gun limitation to law abiding citizens.

[Irish Stout]

A friend of mine who is extremely religious has posted a picture on Facebook of a sign that reads:

"When they asked why God was not in the school that day, God responded: "because I'm not allowed in schools"".

This doesn't match my beliefs of a loving God. This attitude seems so petty and vengeful that I cannot understand its association to a Christian God. Not to mention its also an incorrect position. There have been millions who've been harmed in the name of God or even killed, raped or tortured in a house of God. It's human will that God gave us that is screwed up - not his will. Whether you believe in a God or not, it's always humans who act and decide.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Religion gets blamed for violence and blamed for evil events the god allows to happen. It's obvious that people who have turned their backs and closed their hearts to the love of God just don't understand faith and how free choice plays into that. A world without evil would have no personal challenge of faith. Maybe it is all BS but when believed it gives strength and helps people cope with things like this.

Many of you seem to think the govt can help by limiting guns but i doubt that would be the end of mass killings like this.

IMO many here believe the government is their savior.

They are incapable of knowing better.

Instead they should believe in God.

[rugbythug]

Originally Posted by Irish Stout

Crime has done nothing but drop in NYC. I remember hearing a couple years ago that they had the lowest homicides since 1963.

People don't seem to get that there can be gun regulation without gun limitation to law abiding citizens.

I think there is more gun control by choice today than by Political Practice. This I agree with wholeheartedly. However I fear the country that allows those with power to decide how those out of power get to defend themselves. It is a bad practice any way you slice it. More unarmed citizens have been killed by their armed govt than will ever be killed by armed crazy people. It really boils down to how long you think this country will last and stay free. If you think forever than you deny that every govt fails. If you think past your lifetime than you should be good and only your offspring will be in trouble.

I care for my family and reserve the right to do so as violently as it requires.

[st.bernard]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Only simple minded fools would try to link a madman's shooting to the moral decay of society, aka -- an unchristian nation. Take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your asses and stop trying to justify your belief system because of these tragic events. Using dead children to promote your agenda is ****ing sick.

You are something else. Generally I like what you have to write about as far as the Broncos go. But if you really think that our society isn't slowly coming apart? Just wow. This has nothing whatsoever to do with being christian or anything else. wow. It even sounds like you were one of the idiots that voted for pot legalization.

[rugbythug]

People have reversed the role of God. People are made to give glory to God. God is not created to give glory to people.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic

Ridiculously lazy and stupid response to an honest post

Was thinking much the same thing. I guess there has to be some morons to counter balance the good people.

[rugbythug]

Originally Posted by st.bernard

You are something else. Generally I like what you have to write about as far as the Broncos go. But if you really think that our society isn't slowly coming apart? Just wow. This has nothing whatsoever to do with being christian or anything else. wow. It even sounds like you were one of the idiots that voted for pot legalization.

Not sure how those go together. Hard to be more conservative than I am and I voted for Pot Legalization.

[Irish Stout]

Originally Posted by rugbythug

I think there is more gun control by choice today than by Political Practice. This I agree with wholeheartedly. However I fear the country that allows those with power to decide how those out of power get to defend themselves. It is a bad practice any way you slice it. More unarmed citizens have been killed by their armed govt than will ever be killed by armed crazy people. It really boils down to how long you think this country will last and stay free. If you think forever than you deny that every govt fails. If you think past your lifetime than you should be good and only your offspring will be in trouble.

I care for my family and reserve the right to do so as violently as it requires.

I would personally love to see every US citizen or resident be required to take a firearms safety class when they turn 18. At the same time that we have to register for the draft. I think this would be the type of regulation that should not deter actual gun ownership, but could reap many benefits.

I also have a hard time understanding how its so much harder to get a license (you must take a test both written and actual use), buy a vehicle, get it registered and get insurance than it is to get a gun. There is no testing requirement for owning a weapon.

[rugbythug]

Originally Posted by Irish Stout

I would personally love to see every US citizen or resident be required to take a firearms safety class when they turn 18. At the same time that we have to register for the draft. I think this would be the type of regulation that should not deter actual gun ownership, but could reap many benefits.

I also have a hard time understanding how its so much harder to get a license (you must take a test both written and actual use), buy a vehicle, get it registered and get insurance than it is to get a gun. There is no testing requirement for owning a weapon.

2 things you must do a test and other things go a license to hunt. Their is no requirement when buying a car.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I just want to let you know, that rep message you sent me was the most vile I've ever received in all the years I've been on this board.

It was on par with your post. Cry about it some more though.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by gunns

I'm one who believes that heaven is a better place.

This is the fallacy of religion and of belief in general. People who are suffering in life take solace in the belief that there must be something better somewhere else or in some future reality. Yet it is that very belief that is often used to justify heinous acts.

I don't think that is the case here; I think this was simply the acting of an ill minded individual.

However, with a belief in any future end one can justify any present means to get there.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by Irish Stout

I would personally love to see every US citizen or resident be required to take a firearms safety class when they turn 18. At the same time that we have to register for the draft.

Trying so solve individual violence by requiring people to take part in unified violence?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

It was on par with your post. Cry about it some more though.

It had nothing to do with my post. I was making a legitimate point about a legitimate question. You were insulting my mother. Would you like to meet somewhere and resolve it, or are you a chicken **** little weasel?