ESPN Rob Parker asked if RGIII is a brother, "“He’s not really"

[txtebow]

What Parker is stating is the strongly held notion by many black urban poor in the mid Atlantic and northeastern USA: Speaking proper English, growing up in a 2 parent household, valuing education and carrying yourself in a form that is respectful of others is deemed being an uncle tom, an OREO or as Mr Parker put it "a cornball brother" IE TOO WHITE.----the social pressures in the black community(children out of wedlock, misbehaving in school to the point where education is secondary to safety etc) are the primary reason that the cycle of poverty continues...Mr Parker's opinion on ESPN gives a national audience a peak behind the curtain that those of us who grew up among poor blacks already know from personal experience....it ain't the white power structure leading to poverty; it's the diminishment of anything associated as being too white (like education, 2 parent families, taking care of your kids) that produces anti social and unsuccessful personal outcomes...

[Dr. Broncenstein]

You think ESPN will fire this guy with the same expediancy and righteous indignation as they did with Rush Limbaugh?

[txtebow]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

You think ESPN will fire this guy with the same expediancy and righteous indignation as they did with Rush Limbaugh?

Silly in America, it's only racism if it comes from the lips of a person of European decent.....

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

You think ESPN will fire this guy with the same expediancy and righteous indignation as they did with Rush Limbaugh?

When he made the insination that the media wants a black QB to succeed and so wasn't being critical of his poor play? Actually I do. This was pretty egregious. Rush hung around for several days, and it seems maybe even a week, before they tanked him. I think this guy is gone in the next forty-eight hours.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by txtebow

Silly in America, it's only racism if it comes from the lips of a person of European decent.....

European? Poor choice of words.

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by txtebow

What Parker is stating is the strongly held notion by many black urban poor in the mid Atlantic and northeastern USA: Speaking proper English, growing up in a 2 parent household, valuing education and carrying yourself in a form that is respectful of others is deemed being an uncle tom, an OREO or as Mr Parker put it "a cornball brother" IE TOO WHITE.----the social pressures in the black community(children out of wedlock, misbehaving in school to the point where education is secondary to safety etc) are the primary reason that the cycle of poverty continues...Mr Parker's opinion on ESPN gives a national audience a peak behind the curtain that those of us who grew up among poor blacks already know from personal experience....it ain't the white power structure leading to poverty; it's the diminishment of anything associated as being too white (like education, 2 parent families, taking care of your kids) that produces anti social and unsuccessful personal outcomes...

well said. Are you sure that's not your wife

[Dr. Broncenstein]

What is more racist: a white guy saying the media wants a black quaterback to succeed, or a black guy calling another black guy a "cornball brother" because he doesn't act black?

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

What is more racist: a white guy saying the media wants a black quaterback to succeed, or a black guy calling another black guy a "cornball brother" because he doesn't act black?

And then saying he likes his cornrows and that helps, but he still has a white wife, so he's unconvinced.

Rob clearly has some very strict criteria for determining if you are black enough...

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

And then saying he likes his cornrows and that helps, but he still has a white wife, so he's unconvinced.

Rob clearly has some very strict criteria for determining if you are black enough...

He sounds like he might be a person who annoys you.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by g6matty

Rg3 a white mantrapped in a black body. The perfect storm if youre going to play qb in the nfl no? Black man athleticism but a white mans brain !

Seriously tho. If he had the mind of a black man he might be the next vick. I dont see griffin hosted and dog fighting rings

All black men think alike. Some hide it better then others

This guy got banned... right?

[Jason in LA]

I'd say that this is a very interesting topic.

I wouldn't question RG3's "blackness" because I don't know much about him other than he's a great football player, and he is a really smart guy. I really don't have an issue with him dating a white woman, and that shouldn't be used to question his "blackness."

I am all for RG3 saying that he doesn't want to be compared to other black quarterbacks, that he wants to be the best quarterback period. The goal isn't to be the best black anything. It's to be the best out of everybody.

Now if RG3 went the Tiger Woods route, that would rub me the wrong way, because it seems like Woods doesn't want any part of being black. Yes he's mixed, but a whole lot of black people are mixed. I have no problem with him promoting the other races that he is, but I just always had the feeling that he wanted nothing to do with "blackness". I heard a story that when he was younger somebody dropped an N bomb on him and he wanted no part of that. So I have never been a fan of him. The guy is about my skin color, but it seems like he doesn't want anything to do with the positives of the culture that I grew up in. So screw that guy. At this point I wouldn't lump RG3 in with Woods.

On the topic of RG3 being considered an "oreo" or "whitewashed" because he speaks correctly and is extremely smart (he had a really high college GPA if I'm remembering right), that bothers me right there. I think that the black race is usually defined by the lower end of the race. That is partly our fault, because education is not valued enough, and there are a lot of uneducated black folks who think there is something wrong with the educated black folks. Like we're trying to be white or something.

The thing that bothers me is that I get the feeling that people think that a black person like myself, who is educated, has a full time job, is raising my son, and speaks and acts correctly, is rare. Like there aren't a lot of black folks like me. There are a whole lot of black kids growing up like the Cosby Show. We're not all growing up like Good Times. Watching the Fab 5 documentary annoyed me when Jalen Rose made negative comments about Grant Hill, just because Hill had a better upbringing.

I'm a member of a few black organizations, and one that is only for people who went to college. Just about all of my friends are from this organization or one just like it, and all of us are more like RG3 than Lil Wayne. But when people think of black men, they'll think of a Lil Wayne type. Or a thug. That does annoy me. Like the Chris Rock Joke, when somebody said Colin Powell speaks so well. Well WTF did you think he was going to speak jive? lol

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox after this one final story. I was at an event with about a few hundred guys from the organization that I'm a member of (a good 95% of these guys are black). One guy started to feel ill, so somebody yells out "is there a doctor here?" About 30 hands went up. We all got a good chuckle out of that. If the guy needed a lawyer, another 30 hands would have gone up.

[RedskinBronco]

just as an FYI, Rob Parker has been suspended indefinitely

[Smiling Assassin27]

I wouldn't question RG3's "blackness" because I don't know much about him

Do you know Tiger? Why cast judgment on him if you don't know anything more than what you've seen in the media? The whole idea of challenging someone's 'blackness' is foolish, arrogant, and a textbook example of racism. The fact that a black person is casting those aspersions is not only those things, but as ironic as the day is long.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

I'd say that this is a very interesting topic.

I wouldn't question RG3's "blackness" because I don't know much about him other than he's a great football player, and he is a really smart guy. I really don't have an issue with him dating a white woman, and that shouldn't be used to question his "blackness."

I am all for RG3 saying that he doesn't want to be compared to other black quarterbacks, that he wants to be the best quarterback period. The goal isn't to be the best black anything. It's to be the best out of everybody.

Now if RG3 went the Tiger Woods route, that would rub me the wrong way, because it seems like Woods doesn't want any part of being black. Yes he's mixed, but a whole lot of black people are mixed. I have no problem with him promoting the other races that he is, but I just always had the feeling that he wanted nothing to do with "blackness". I heard a story that when he was younger somebody dropped an N bomb on him and he wanted no part of that. So I have never been a fan of him. The guy is about my skin color, but it seems like he doesn't want anything to do with the positives of the culture that I grew up in. So screw that guy. At this point I wouldn't lump RG3 in with Woods.

On the topic of RG3 being considered an "oreo" or "whitewashed" because he speaks correctly and is extremely smart (he had a really high college GPA if I'm remembering right), that bothers me right there. I think that the black race is usually defined by the lower end of the race. That is partly our fault, because education is not valued enough, and there are a lot of uneducated black folks who think there is something wrong with the educated black folks. Like we're trying to be white or something.

The thing that bothers me is that I get the feeling that people think that a black person like myself, who is educated, has a full time job, is raising my son, and speaks and acts correctly, is rare. Like there aren't a lot of black folks like me. There are a whole lot of black kids growing up like the Cosby Show. We're not all growing up like Good Times. Watching the Fab 5 documentary annoyed me when Jalen Rose made negative comments about Grant Hill, just because Hill had a better upbringing.

I'm a member of a few black organizations, and one that is only for people who went to college. Just about all of my friends are from this organization or one just like it, and all of us are more like RG3 than Lil Wayne. But when people think of black men, they'll think of a Lil Wayne type. Or a thug. That does annoy me. Like the Chris Rock Joke, when somebody said Colin Powell speaks so well. Well WTF did you think he was going to speak jive? lol

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox after this one final story. I was at an event with about a few hundred guys from the organization that I'm a member of (a good 95% of these guys are black). One guy started to feel ill, so somebody yells out "is there a doctor here?" About 30 hands went up. We all got a good chuckle out of that. If the guy needed a lawyer, another 30 hands would have gone up.

You don't have to "choose" to be racially cognitive. There is NOTHING wrong with identifying youself as something other then a color or race. You can't get on TW because he, as you say, doesn't do anything "black". What do black people do that TW should? Tell us. Remember, this is a guy growing up and playing GOLF, usually among 99% white players, or asian. Back when TW grew up there wasn't many black people playing golf, not that there is now either but more so when he was young. We are who we socialize and work with. You are influenced by those you are around mostly, that's not rocket science. Just because a black guy has a white GF or wife, has white friends, doesn't mean he isn't "black". What is "black". Obviously TW still has the same skin color. What does TW need to do in your eyes that would make him more "black". Tell us.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Do you know Tiger? Why cast judgment on him if you don't know anything more than what you've seen in the media? The whole idea of challenging someone's 'blackness' is foolish, arrogant, and a textbook example of racism. The fact that a black person is casting those aspersions is not only those things, but as ironic as the day is long.

Obviously I don't know Tiger Woods personally. We don't know any of these celebrities personally, but we pass judgment on them all the time for various things.

When there is a group that is not thought highly of, and then a person from that group does something great which makes that group proud, and then that person shuns that group, that group is going to have issues with that person. Why would anybody think that group wouldn't have an issue with that? That's just human nature.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by ZONA

You don't have to "choose" to be racially cognitive. There is NOTHING wrong with identifying youself as something other then a color or race. You can't get on TW because he, as you say, doesn't do anything "black". What do black people do that TW should? Tell us. Remember, this is a guy growing up and playing GOLF, usually among 99% white players, or asian. Back when TW grew up there wasn't many black people playing golf, not that there is now either but more so when he was young. We are who we socialize and work with. You are influenced by those you are around mostly, that's not rocket science. Just because a black guy has a white GF or wife, has white friends, doesn't mean he isn't "black". What is "black". Obviously TW still has the same skin color. What does TW need to do in your eyes that would make him more "black". Tell us.

I'm not saying that Tiger needs to act "black." I don't even think that there is such a thing. I have more in common with an educated white person than a black person who fits the description of what a lot of people think a black person is, which is hood.

If Tiger simply showed acknowledgement that he is a part of the African American race, and be proud of it, then he'd be good in my book. That is in no way to say that he should ignore the other ethnic group(s) that he is a part of.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Obviously I don't know Tiger Woods personally. We don't know any of these celebrities personally, but we pass judgment on them all the time for various things.

When there is a group that is not thought highly of, and then a person from that group does something great which makes that group proud, and then that person shuns that group, that group is going to have issues with that person. Why would anybody think that group wouldn't have an issue with that? That's just human nature.

Tiger is mixed.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by maven

Tiger is mixed.

Based on my statements, it is more than obvious that I am aware of that.

[maven]

Originally Posted by ZONA

You don't have to "choose" to be racially cognitive. There is NOTHING wrong with identifying youself as something other then a color or race. You can't get on TW because he, as you say, doesn't do anything "black". What do black people do that TW should? Tell us. Remember, this is a guy growing up and playing GOLF, usually among 99% white players, or asian. Back when TW grew up there wasn't many black people playing golf, not that there is now either but more so when he was young. We are who we socialize and work with. You are influenced by those you are around mostly, that's not rocket science.

Good point.

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Based on my statements, it is more than obvious that I am aware of that.

Aware? Yes. Understand? No.

[broncocalijohn]

Robert Griffin III

Obviously, by being the 3rd Robert Griffin, shows he has a line of fathers that care.

Verdict?

NOT BLACK!

"Get this jiggaboo out of my site!" Latrell Spencer, White Chicks

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by maven

Good point.



Aware? Yes. Understand? No.

Actually, I do understand. Just because I don't agree with you, or in this case, you do not agree with me, does not mean that I do not understand.

I find it interesting that people on one side of an argument think that the people on the other side don't get it. No, they just don't agree with you. It's as simple as that.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Apperently ESPN is just going to suspend him

What a joke

Guess he will have some free time to hang out with the real "brothas" for a while though

[RedskinBronco]

Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

Apperently ESPN is just going to suspend him

What a joke

Guess he will have some free time to hang out with the real "brothas" for a while though

I wouldn't be sure about that. Suspended indefinitely generally means they start to get the lawyers involved and the walking papers come in.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Originally Posted by RedskinBronco

I wouldn't be sure about that. Suspended indefinitely generally means they start to get the lawyers involved and the walking papers come in.

Oh I guess I missed the "indefinite" part

[mkporter]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Robert Griffin III

Obviously, by being the 3rd Robert Griffin, shows he has a line of fathers.

FIFY