Coveting the NE game plan

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Action

Whoa wait, so I'm on his nutsack when I give him credit where credit is due, but what does that make you guys that talk about him all season when he struggles?

Your on his nutsack because your pretty much the only person on this board who can't stop singing his praises and talking about how he'll be a good head coach someday. It's nauseating.

[Action]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Your on his nutsack because your pretty much the only person on this board who can't stop singing his praises and talking about how he'll be a good head coach someday. It's nauseating.

You really didn't answer my question or refute anything I said.

If possible, try harder.

[rbackfactory80]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Seriously? Of course I think he makes a difference. Didn't you see my space after one of the commas? Sorry this year has been rough on you. Maybe someday you will get a little humor back in your life

Humor =/= idiocy

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Action

You really didn't answer my question or refute anything I said.

If possible, try harder.

It wasn't my intention to refute anything. I'm just sick of you slobbing the knob of a guy who was a disgrace to the Broncos organization.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

McCoy sucks, therefore hoping for a great gameplan from the first snap is futile.

You didn't bother to read what Mediator said to you, did you?

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

Him and Hernandez are a nightmare. Then add the rest of that crew. We were fortunate enough to play them when Hernandez was out last game.

They were fortunate enough to get us early when we still had guys learning to play together, learning new plays on both sides of the ball, not to mention in their house.

It goes both ways.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by Action

Thanks for breaking down like that.

I've been trying to make it clear to people, that this is a product of what McDaniels started in Denver when he started scripting plays here.

He's brought that over to NE and it was evolved with their "one word" no huddle and that's what leads them to their blazing fast starts.

Scripting obviously started with Shanahan but that was only for like 9-12 plays. McDaniels had turned that into like 3-4 drives or almost the whole 1st qtr+.

Just a little Denver history.

And I'm not sure if McCoy has the creativity to script anything.

Not sure if you realize this or not but most NFL teams script their first 15 plays or so. It's a pretty common thing. I'm not going to argue that McD is not a great coordinator because he is. But we've seen many a time, that doesn't automatically mean a guy is HC material. So many more things go into being a good HC. Josh obviously was not ready for it. Not saying he never will. Most guys do learn quite a bit from their first go around, then again some don't.

[Al Wilson]

McDaniels is an awesome gameplanner, and play caller. Brady has career years every year McDaniels is the play caller. Numbers don't lie. It's just that he was given too much power when he was hired here.

[Action]

Originally Posted by ZONA

Not sure if you realize this or not but most NFL teams script their first 15 plays or so. It's a pretty common thing. I'm not going to argue that McD is not a great coordinator because he is. But we've seen many a time, that doesn't automatically mean a guy is HC material. So many more things go into being a good HC. Josh obviously was not ready for it. Not saying he never will. Most guys do learn quite a bit from their first go around, then again some don't.

No, most NFL teams don't script their plays... many do, I don't know the number but to say the majority do is a little bit of a stretch.

No it's not 15 plays either, do you realize how many sorry offensive teams out there? To be able to script 15 straight plays would be an OC with a very bright mind.

Bill Walsh started all this and he did around 20, and that was amazing. Shanny did what? Like 10-15 plays?...

Patriots didn't script plays until this year...

[baja]

Originally Posted by Action

No, most NFL teams don't script their plays... many do, I don't know the number but to say the majority do is a little bit of a stretch.

No it's not 15 plays either, do you realize how many sorry offensive teams out there? To be able to script 15 straight plays would be an OC with a very bright mind.

Bill Walsh started all this and he did around 20, and that was amazing. Shanny did what? Like 10-15 plays?...

Patriots didn't script plays until this year...

Tell me again why it takes a special mind to pre plan the first 15 or so plays.

It's not that hard

[fontaine]

I have to laugh at the "genius" of a coordinator because he gets to call plays for a hall of fame QB, with all pro TEs, and two solid WRs with a great OL.

Funny how McD's genius doesn't extend to the run game, TEs, QBs, WRs when they're just average players.

[Action]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I have to laugh at the "genius" of a coordinator because he gets to call plays for a hall of fame QB, with all pro TEs, and two solid WRs with a great OL.

Funny how McD's genius doesn't extend to the run game, TEs, QBs, WRs when they're just average players.

I also have to laugh when people try and use this logic for their own opinion.

Have you ever tried using this logic for every single play caller in the NFL? What prolific NFL play caller do you know that doesn't have a top QB? What prolific NFL play caller made his name by calling plays for average players?

So New England's WR's outside of Welker are above average now?

Check Cassell's output with McDaniels play calling...Look at Orton's career with McDaniels then without McDaniels. Look at Orton's output right after McDaniels was fired.

Doesn't extend to the run game? You mean New England's 7th in the league in rushing run game? While being 5th in passing?

McDaniels gets to call plays for all pro TEs now? You mean the 2 TE's that haven't been on the field with each other all season? 1 that has an injury all season long and another that got injured for the season as the other one came back?

Funny how people can't respect someone when they have personal feelings against them. It's the American way!

[Action]

It's funny how Peyton Manning only plays well when he has weapons on his team. You know, he's not that good because it's funny how he picks a team with weapons, if he was so good he would have gone to another team with average players to REALLY show his talent...you know guys?

Manning has always had Wayne or Dallas Clark...etc Demaryius Thomas..etc he's really not that good.

[Action]

Originally Posted by baja

Tell me again why it takes a special mind to pre plan the first 15 or so plays.

It's not that hard

15 plays can span across 3 drives and at most 4-5.

To script 15 plays, you're taking into account 3 and out's, down and distance, turn overs...and what happens if a play doesn't work.

Imagine if you scripted the first 15 plays and the defense completely stuffs you for the 4/9 first plays... and that has caused you to punt twice. Imagine you were on a 3rd and 15 because your previous 2 plays were stuffed and your next play on the "script" was a play action that was focused on the team biting on the run (like the long Lloyd TD against Houston)...

There's just so many things to take into account... when you're scripting plays you have to be so sure these plays will work or else you just wasted a lot of practice time on scripting your plays.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Action

15 plays can span across 3 drives and at most 4-5.

To script 15 plays, you're taking into account 3 and out's, down and distance, turn overs...and what happens if a play doesn't work.

Imagine if you scripted the first 15 plays and the defense completely stuffs you for the 4/9 first plays... and that has caused you to punt twice. Imagine you were on a 3rd and 15 because your previous 2 plays were stuffed and your next play on the "script" was a play action that was focused on the team biting on the run (like the long Lloyd TD against Houston)...

There's just so many things to take into account... when you're scripting plays you have to be so sure these plays will work or else you just wasted a lot of practice time on scripting your plays.

There is no way to know if a OC scraps his script due to circumstances such as you mention therefore there is no way to gauge success or failure.

I have read Shanny was forced at times to go away from his script.

BTW I agree with you on Josh's talent. Rather or not he will grow to be a great HC remains to be seen. He needs to develop people skills that much is clear.

[Action]

Originally Posted by baja

There is no way to know if a OC scraps his script due to circumstances such as you mention therefore there is no way to gauge success or failure.

I have read Shanny was forced at times to go away from his script.

BTW I agree with you on Josh's talent. Rather or not he will grow to be a great HC remains to be seen. He needs to develop people skills that much is clear.

That is true, I was merely just saying why it's difficult. I mean, it's much easier to put together your general situational football game plan and run plays from that, not having to worry about scripting anything...

[baja]

Originally Posted by Action

That is true, I was merely just saying why it's difficult. I mean, it's much easier to put together your general situational football game plan and run plays from that, not having to worry about scripting anything...

My point is scripting plays does not require genius level intellect if you can scrap it without incident when it is not panning out.

[BroncoFox]

The genius is the drafting and free agent stuff they do, that's all it is really. Their jerkhead coach is amazing at finding talent. And doing stuff like creating the double tight end thingie. They just have a lot of really good players. If you have the players, you can win a lot of games easily.

[rugbythug]

Originally Posted by BroncoFox

The genius is the drafting and free agent stuff they do, that's all it is really. Their jerkhead coach is amazing at finding talent. And doing stuff like creating the double tight end thingie. They just have a lot of really good players. If you have the players, you can win a lot of games easily.

everyone knew that both of those tight end were gonna be talents. however they both have serious injury issues.

[pricejj]

Originally Posted by BroncoFox

The genius is the drafting and free agent stuff they do, that's all it is really.

It makes it a lot easier when you can trade one of your good friends (Schiano) your 4th round draft pick for a #1 CB (Aqib Talib).

Other than that, Belicheat has been abysmal at finding talent in the Secondary.

[Action]

Originally Posted by baja

My point is scripting plays does not require genius level intellect if you can scrap it without incident when it is not panning out.

Well I mean, I guess that's like saying playing football doesn't require much skill if you can just quit whenever you get injured.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Action

Well I mean, I guess that's like saying playing football doesn't require much skill if you can just quit whenever you get injured.

I just think you are making out that scripting 15 plays is way more difficult than it is. My goodness you claim genius intellect is required. We just disagree.

Do you play chess?

[g6matty]

Scripting plays is also to see how teams are going to attack a formation so later in the game you know how to attack the defense out of said formation