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Old 12-10-2012, 02:25 AM   #1976
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:27 AM   #1977
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They have so much wrong that one draft won't fix it.
This isn't true at all.

We need a new HC and QB for sure.

After that it's a short list: WR (perhaps not a huge need if Breaston and Bowe are both back), CB, DL.

Lots of pieces in place.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:41 AM   #1978
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This isn't true at all.

We need a new HC and QB for sure.

After that it's a short list: WR (perhaps not a huge need if Breaston and Bowe are both back), CB, DL.

Lots of pieces in place.
They need a new:

Head coach
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:49 AM   #1979
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Correction: Their D-line, with Hali, Houston and Derrick Johnson is pretty good. Now back to your regularly scheduled Chiefs bashing...
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Correction: Their D-line, with Hali, Houston and Derrick Johnson is pretty good. Now back to your regularly scheduled Chiefs bashing...
Haili and Houston can pass rush but are liabilities against the run.
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This isn't true at all.

We need a new HC and QB for sure.

After that it's a short list: WR (perhaps not a huge need if Breaston and Bowe are both back), CB, DL.

Lots of pieces in place.
Your D allowed Cleveland to blow you out. Your OL is terrible. Charles is good but you don't have a short yardage RB. One avg/below avg TE, Baldwin is terrible, Bowe is gone or they will over pay for him either way he disappears in games and drops too many balls, Did I mention how bad your OL is? DT's are garbage, you need at least 1 good run stopping LB, a 2nd and nickle CB and 1 Safety. Throw in a total FO and coaching staff overhaul and your looking at a 3 -4 year rebuild, maybe 2-3 if done right.

Good luck thinking a HC and QB will turn you in to instant winners.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:45 PM   #1982
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Your D allowed Cleveland to blow you out. Your OL is terrible. Charles is good but you don't have a short yardage RB. One avg/below avg TE, Baldwin is terrible, Bowe is gone or they will over pay for him either way he disappears in games and drops too many balls, Did I mention how bad your OL is? DT's are garbage, you need at least 1 good run stopping LB, a 2nd and nickle CB and 1 Safety. Throw in a total FO and coaching staff overhaul and your looking at a 3 -4 year rebuild, maybe 2-3 if done right.

Good luck thinking a HC and QB will turn you in to instant winners.
When that OL was healthy they were very good. Judging them when multiple starters are out for a few weeks isn't the right indicator. They were the 2nd ranked OL at midpoint this year. Branden Albert has only given up 1 sack all year. You think maybe we missed him the last few weeks he was out?

Bowe has said he wants to stay in KC, so I think we'll get a fair deal done. And as for his drops, he has 4. Decker has 7 and Thomas has 8. What does that say for them?

KC is not a 1 year fix like Bob is swaying, but they aren't a complete mess as far as talent on the field. The cup is not bare. I know you find anything to make fun of the Chiefs, but you are reaching here Mr. Broncosteven.
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Bowe's situation is interesting. He could leave for greener pastures. I doubt they want to franchise him a second time.
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When that OL was healthy they were very good. Judging them when multiple starters are out for a few weeks isn't the right indicator. They were the 2nd ranked OL at midpoint this year. Branden Albert has only given up 1 sack all year. You think maybe we missed him the last few weeks he was out?

Bowe has said he wants to stay in KC, so I think we'll get a fair deal done. And as for his drops, he has 4. Decker has 7 and Thomas has 8. What does that say for them?

KC is not a 1 year fix like Bob is swaying, but they aren't a complete mess as far as talent on the field. The cup is not bare. I know you find anything to make fun of the Chiefs, but you are reaching here Mr. Broncosteven.
Bowe has been targetted 114 times, and has only 59 catches, sure poor QB play plays into that buy less than 50% of the time he is not coming down with the ball. ESPN's stat site doesn't show drops.

DT has 110 targets and 74 catches, Decker has 98 targets with 64 catches and is close to Bowe's yardage production but smokes him on TD's.

I hope you tag Bowe again and pay him 17Mill or what ever the Franchise number esclates to.

I can't see Bowe not wanting to take a look around the league as a FA after the season is done and see if he can't go to a team that has a chance at a playoff in his lifetime.

BTW you are right, I take any shot I can get to rub the complete suckage in. I saw it shaping up this way last year and all the other trolls (you aren't one) said they were going to win the Division and make noise in the playoffs. Well guess what happened on the way to SB XLVII...
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Correction: Their D-line, with Hali, Houston and Derrick Johnson is pretty good. Now back to your regularly scheduled Chiefs bashing...

I dunno, i have seen there defense give up some large point totals this year. Im guessing the guys you list above were missing, i dont feel like looking it up.
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I dunno, i have seen there defense give up some large point totals this year. Im guessing the guys you list above were missing, i dont feel like looking it up.

how much did they give up to the browns "high powered" offense?
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:19 PM   #1989
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Bowe has been targetted 114 times, and has only 59 catches, sure poor QB play plays into that buy less than 50% of the time he is not coming down with the ball. ESPN's stat site doesn't show drops.

DT has 110 targets and 74 catches, Decker has 98 targets with 64 catches and is close to Bowe's yardage production but smokes him on TD's.

I hope you tag Bowe again and pay him 17Mill or what ever the Franchise number esclates to.

I can't see Bowe not wanting to take a look around the league as a FA after the season is done and see if he can't go to a team that has a chance at a playoff in his lifetime.

BTW you are right, I take any shot I can get to rub the complete suckage in. I saw it shaping up this way last year and all the other trolls (you aren't one) said they were going to win the Division and make noise in the playoffs. Well guess what happened on the way to SB XLVII...
Lol don't you think Peyton Manning has something to do with DT's success? I mean if you put Bowe in DT's spot this year what are his stats looking like? Keep in mind he had 1,000+ yards and 15 TD's with Cassel. It's okay to admit Bowe is a good #1 caliber WR. He's not a top 5 WR, but he's definitely a guy who is very talented.

Most Chiefs fans thought the team was due for 8 or 9 wins this year. 10 was a "possibility" if Cassel somehow played like he did in 2010, but not many of us thought he would be that good.

Nobody in the NFL thought the Chiefs would have the 1st pick in April. Nobody.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:25 PM   #1990
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Nobody in the NFL thought the Chiefs would have the 1st pick in April. Nobody.
After scrummaging for sloppy seconds QBs not once, but twice, and knowing full well Crennel blows as an HC, there was no doubt in my mind I had chiefs picking top 10, even top 5.

Just cause the chiefs fans didnt think Cassel sucked doesn't mean we all didnt.
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Your OL is terrible.
We have maybe the best young OL in the whole league.

They're certainly not terrible.

You can't really judge the D with all the injuries.
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One of the most respectable draft sites on Geno Smith.


Prospect: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Height: 6’3″
Weight: 220
Grade: 7.7 (Grading Scale)



Scouting Report:

Athleticism:
+Excellent size and frame for an NFL quarterback – legit 6’3″.
+Has enough bulk to hold up to some hits at the next level.
+Added 15 pounds of muscle this off-season.
+Strong enough to shrug off would be tacklers.
+Decent speed, but certainly not a running quarterback.
+Balanced, stays under control on the move.
-Tentative to pull it down and run.

Arm Talent:
+Phenomenal touch down the field, very accurate on deep balls.
+Can drive the ball across the field without a dip – elite arm strength.
+Leads receivers well, allows for yardage after the catch.
+Quick, over the top release.
+Able to throw from multiple arm positions.
-Occasionally rockets a pass at close range through his receivers hands.
-Seemed to struggle throwing in the wind.

Pocket Presence:
+Doesn’t watch the rush, eyes stay downfield when adjusting in the pocket.
+Feet stay active in the pocket, but doesn’t waste movement.
+Stays in the pocket as long as possible, looks to pass first always.
+Has some elusiveness, doesn’t look to run but will take an easy first down when given.
+Able to climb the pocket and avoid edge rushers.
+Maintains proper depth in the pocket, doesn’t hang his OL out to dry.

Command of offense:
+Can make all the reads, high/low, left/right.
+Experienced with run/pass reads and route adjustments based on defense.
+Manipulates safeties with subtle fakes and eye discipline.
+Understands when to take chances and when to make the safe throw.
-Occasionally locks onto his first read when in a pressure situation.
-Doesn’t spend much time under center, mainly in pistol/shotgun.

Overview:
Geno Smith has been my number one quarterback prospect since the beginning of this season and despite a couple of rocky games against Texas Tech and Kansas State, he is still my guy at the end of the season.

Smith has the size, accuracy and arm strength that is requisite in the NFL, while his pocket presence and athleticism put him in position to be a franchise quarterback at the next level. Dynamic receivers Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey have certainly helped Smith develop, but he has also made them look good with his touch and accuracy.

He isn’t as NFL-ready as Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III were coming out last year, he certainly is a prospect that you can try and build a team around. He took criticism from 2011 (improve touch, play within the offense, add bulk, etc…) and has improved greatly in all areas.

If I’m picking first in the 2013 NFL Draft and need a quarterback – I run up to the podium and turn in the card with the name Geno Smith on it.

Scouting Notes

West Virginia vs Baylor
-Goes through two reads, hits his third option underneath.
-Looks very comfortable with trash at his feet – strong enough to shrug off some would be tacklers.
-Can tuck and run with the ball – has some elusiveness and speed but it is his last option.

Full scouting notes for Geno Smith vs Baylor.

West Virginia vs Texas
- Hangs in the pocket as long as possible, delivers 3rd down throw with man in his face
- Sells the draw and delivers a strike to Bailey for TD on 3 step slant
- Immediate front side pressure from Okafor, able to escape and pick up positive yards before being stopped short of 1st down marker

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/...ng-report.html
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Geno Smith doesn't make ANY reads. He makes his first read and that's it.
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You're wrong. Especially since he played in a different system previously with WVU.
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I have not seen one WVU game. That said, chiefs suck.
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We have maybe the best young OL in the whole league.

They're certainly not terrible.

You can't really judge the D with all the injuries.
I see you have reached that point in the season where you start talking about all the good things the Chiefs have going. How they only need a new coach, new qb, new gm, wham bam thank you mam and they will be right back to their old solves losing playoffs games again.

Hmmm problem is qb is the hardest thing to hit on and the NFL is due for a bust at the top end any yr now.
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Geno Smith doesn't make ANY reads. He makes his first read and that's it.
Also he's not like rg111 speed or deep ball accuracy. Not saying he won't be good but he might not be franchise saving good.

Then again more and more qbs seem coming in ready to play. Chiefs could get lucky.
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Geno Smith is really ****ing good. Love watching that kid play.
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Also he's not like rg111 speed or deep ball accuracy. Not saying he won't be good but he might not be franchise saving good.

Then again more and more qbs seem coming in ready to play. Chiefs could get lucky.
His deep ball accuracy looks good to me.

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Geno is the best deep passer in this draft.
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