next stop Syria....then Iran

[mhgaffney]

General Wesley Clark predicted back in 2007 what is happening now.

He says the necons pulled off a "policy coup" under GW Bush.

Clark was told about a classified report -- that laid out the plan to overthrow the governments in a list of nations that included Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Iran...

The plan is evidently still in effect -- despite the election of Obama in 2008 and his re-election. This certainly fits with everything else we've learned about Obama (i.e., the fact he was groomed by the CIA, his refusal to close Gitmo, restore habeus corpus and posse comitatus, his support for torture and surveillance, the targeting of US citizens for assassination, his escalation in Afghanistan, the escalation of drone use, on and on, etc etc)

Now that the CIA and NATO -- by supporting Al Qaeda rebels -- have pushed Assad into a corner, they have him where they want him. If he uses nerve gas he is done.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle29129.htm

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What gaffe won't say- "And those damned Jews behind it all."

[mhgaffney]

Colin Powell's former chief of staff warns against US policy vis a vis Syria

Lawrence Wilkerson says claims about Assad using chemical weapons against his people are specious.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle33252.htm

[mhgaffney]

US Tightens Military Noose Around Syria

Is the US preparing to intervene in Syria? It would appear so. The US has amassed a naval armada off the Syrian coast, and has deployed troops and patriot missiles in Turkey on the Syrian border.

A build up is clearly underway. The patriot missiles could be used to impose a no fly zone within Syria.

Obama has escalated the rhetoric about WMDs -- which we saw before other US military invasions. In each case those claims about WMDs were baseless. Indeed, they were lies. But they did succeed in creating popular support here at home for what was in each case military aggression by the US.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle33254.htm

[mhgaffney]

'No confirmed reports' Syrian govt preparing to use chemical weapons – UN chief

It looks like the US government is beating the drums for another US military intervention -- this time in Syria.

http://rt.com/news/un-syria-chemical-weapons-532/

[cutthemdown]

Seriously Obama is going to use a WMD scare to attack. That is not fresh NOBAMA.

[Rohirrim]

So, Gaffo. If Assad starts dropping Sarin gas bombs on his people, should NATO sit by and do nothing?

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

So, Gaffo. If Assad starts dropping Sarin gas bombs on his people, should NATO sit by and do nothing?

Are you sure the plan isnt to just let them kill each other off to make them more pliable once the cival war is over? Obama could have ended this months ago we all know that. No fly zone = war over. You take out air defense, you stop them from launching air raids, rebels advance in hang assad and drag him by the balls through the street.

if you think about it though the rebels not friendly to the USA. CIA probably told Obama best move right now is the more rebels that die, the better.

[cutthemdown]

IMO when the people fighting the civil war are all enemies, there isn't much reason for us to step in and stop anything. It may take WMD to make Obama move. Otherwise whats he care the people who want to take power are butchers.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Are you sure the plan isnt to just let them kill each other off to make them more pliable once the cival war is over? Obama could have ended this months ago we all know that. No fly zone = war over. You take out air defense, you stop them from launching air raids, rebels advance in hang assad and drag him by the balls through the street.

if you think about it though the rebels not friendly to the USA. CIA probably told Obama best move right now is the more rebels that die, the better.

The Syrians have been our enemies for decades. What is our motivation for rushing in and helping them?

[SoCalBronco]

I'm concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood or some other non-secular group filling the vacuum after Assad. I don't see any reasonably responsible moderate parties strong enough to take over there. I know Morsi the clown is supporting Islamic rebels there. Even though Assad is a huge douche, I'd rather have him there than non-secular forces.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

General Wesley Clark predicted back in 2007 what is happening now.

He says the necons pulled off a "policy coup" under GW Bush.

Clark was told about a classified report -- that laid out the plan to overthrow the governments in a list of nations that included Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Iran...

The plan is evidently still in effect -- despite the election of Obama in 2008 and his re-election. This certainly fits with everything else we've learned about Obama (i.e., the fact he was groomed by the CIA, his refusal to close Gitmo, restore habeus corpus and posse comitatus, his support for torture and surveillance, the targeting of US citizens for assassination, his escalation in Afghanistan, the escalation of drone use, on and on, etc etc)

Now that the CIA and NATO -- by supporting Al Qaeda rebels -- have pushed Assad into a corner, they have him where they want him. If he uses nerve gas he is done.

MUST WATCH! Please share this with others:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle29129.htm

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[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The Syrians have been our enemies for decades. What is our motivation for rushing in and helping them?

You regurgitate like a well programmed robot.

Syria supported the US at the time of the first Gulf war.

After 9/11, Syria also provided the US with extensive intelligence about al Qaeda. It was an attempt by the elder Assad to move closer to the US. It failed, however.

Evidently the US war on al Qaeda after 9/11 was just a cover story. US support for Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria tends to bear this out.

The recent attack in Benghazi exposed the failed US policy.

MHG

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The Syrians have been our enemies for decades. What is our motivation for rushing in and helping them?

None that was my point. Our policy right now is the more Syrians fighters that die the better. If it went genocide then obama would be forced to act. But right now I can't think of one good reason to help the rebels outside of it could ruin a place for the Ruskies to have a Naval base in that part of the world.

i have no problem with how Obama has played it. I do wish we hadn't let the Muslim Brotherhood take over in Egypt though. I'm worried about that one its not working out so well IMO.

[IHaveALight]

[Requiem]

If I ruled the world, I would free all my sons.

[orinjkrush]

Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

-Road to Perdition

[mhgaffney]

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group

Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...adi-group.html

The US and NATO have unleashed a monster in Syria --

We have helped jihadists destabilize another secular Arab government. They keep telling us that Al Qaeda is the enemy -- but clearly this is just propaganda.

MHG

[mhgaffney]

No way Al Qaeda could have destabilized Syria without US and Israeli support.

[orinjkrush]

the war against izlam has been executed in stages: iraq, afghanistan, somalia, pakistan, egypt, libya, syria, and soon lebanon, iran. we now appear to have sided with the sunnis (Arabia) and are taking it to the shia (Iran). even though the Shia are more democratically predisposed than the sunni are.

all of it is about oil. all of it. just reflect...what if oil were not an issue, would we give a damn?

[cutthemdown]

Obama is getting ready to do something different. He recognized rebels that would just as soon see America in flames as Assad. The Russians now say Assad probably on his way out. It's only a matter of time before he throws down the no fly zone. You watch though we will have supposed friendly fire incidents as the CIA points out which rebels we don't want to survive the battle. I don't think Obama as (PEACE PRIZE LIKE) as the world or liberals think. In fact i think he would bomb just about anyone if he thought the American people would support him.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

the war against izlam has been executed in stages: iraq, afghanistan, somalia, pakistan, egypt, libya, syria, and soon lebanon, iran. we now appear to have sided with the sunnis (Arabia) and are taking it to the shia (Iran). even though the Shia are more democratically predisposed than the sunni are.

all of it is about oil. all of it. just reflect...what if oil were not an issue, would we give a damn?

The Assad regime had its strength in the Alawite sect -- which I believe is a kind of Shi'a Islam.

But under Assad the Alawites were tolerant of both Sunnis and Shias.

The CIA backed insurgency in Syria seems likely to cause mayhem -- and very likely a civil war between Sunni and Shia.

It's hard to see how this helps US interests -- we ought to be using our influence to promote long term stability.

The present US support for violent regime change is destabilizing the whole region --

It's hard to see how chaos in Syria helps Israel -tho the hard line Netanyahu gv't is undoubtedly assisting the rebels.

Makes you wonder: is anyone (sane) at the wheel? It appears not.

MHG

[StugotsIII]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

General Wesley Clark predicted back in 2007 what is happening now.

He says the necons pulled off a "policy coup" under GW Bush.

Clark was told about a classified report -- that laid out the plan to overthrow the governments in a list of nations that included Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Iran...

The plan is evidently still in effect -- despite the election of Obama in 2008 and his re-election. This certainly fits with everything else we've learned about Obama (i.e., the fact he was groomed by the CIA, his refusal to close Gitmo, restore habeus corpus and posse comitatus, his support for torture and surveillance, the targeting of US citizens for assassination, his escalation in Afghanistan, the escalation of drone use, on and on, etc etc)

Now that the CIA and NATO -- by supporting Al Qaeda rebels -- have pushed Assad into a corner, they have him where they want him. If he uses nerve gas he is done.

MUST WATCH! Please share this with others:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle29129.htm

When do you get fitted for a helmet you retard window licker?

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The Assad regime had its strength in the Alawite sect -- which I believe is a kind of Shi'a Islam.

But under Assad the Alawites were tolerant of both Sunnis and Shias.

The CIA backed insurgency in Syria seems likely to cause mayhem -- and very likely a civil war between Sunni and Shia.

It's hard to see how this helps US interests -- we ought to be using our influence to promote long term stability.

The present US support for violent regime change is destabilizing the whole region --

It's hard to see how chaos in Syria helps Israel -tho the hard line Netanyahu gv't is undoubtedly assisting the rebels.

Makes you wonder: is anyone (sane) at the wheel? It appears not.

MHG

It's almost like the cold war ending. American policy is bringing muslim dictators to their knees. Just like the Soviets though what follows won't be really that great for America. They will still hate us and hate Israel as well.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

It's almost like the cold war ending. American policy is bringing muslim dictators to their knees. Just like the Soviets though what follows won't be really that great for America. They will still hate us and hate Israel as well.

No -- you are seeing what you want to see. We are bringing some Muslim leaders to their knees.

We took out Ghaddafi because he violated our unspoken rule that all oil producers must trade in US dollars. Ghaddafi was selling oil in exchange for gold. Sadam started accepting Euros.

Meanwhile - other US client dictatorships continue as before -- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Quatar, Dubai etc.