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Old 12-07-2012, 03:34 PM   #201
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Moreno would have 3 TD's in 5 attempts, had Franklin not fell, leaving his man unblocked on the 2nd and goal (where we had to settle for a FG).

Unrein ran right through the hole and Knowshon was right behind him. It was sad, because Franklin normally mauls in those situations.
That field was causing all kinds of problems.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:46 PM   #202
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That field was causing all kinds of problems.
Oakland is the only team in the NFL that still has a baseball field turfed over for football. O.co. As Apa asked, what is O.co?
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:07 PM   #203
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McGahee has 4 TD's in goal-to-go situations in 2012. One on a reception.

16 attempts, 3 TD's rushing, one fumble lost.

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5 goal-to-go attempts, 2 TD's rushing.
We know what Moreno has done near the goal line for his career. Isn't very pretty and why many just wanted Tebow to be down there his first season.

McGahee is better than Moreno. Are you going to try to argue that one?
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Am I the only one who noticed that him and Peyton just were having a hard time last night? He kept being out of position on the field and when Peyton would do his post drive meetings he had to repeatedly call Moreno over. You could just see the frustration on Peyton with him all night.

As for his running ... it's odd ... when he first came into the league he did a lot of shooting forward too quick and not allowing the hole to open up ... now is seems like he's on the other side of the page ... he keeps waiting too long for holes to develop and sometimes the holes close up by the time he starts moving forward. I think I'd prefer him doing the other more ... at least then he has some forward momentum when he gets hit. Too often he's not moving forward when he's hit and can't fight through the tackle.
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Am I the only one who noticed that him and Peyton just were having a hard time last night? He kept being out of position on the field and when Peyton would do his post drive meetings he had to repeatedly call Moreno over. You could just see the frustration on Peyton with him all night.

As for his running ... it's odd ... when he first came into the league he did a lot of shooting forward too quick and not allowing the hole to open up ... now is seems like he's on the other side of the page ... he keeps waiting too long for holes to develop and sometimes the holes close up by the time he starts moving forward. I think I'd prefer him doing the other more ... at least then he has some forward momentum when he gets hit. Too often he's not moving forward when he's hit and can't fight through the tackle.
No, this was a bit over exaggerated.

Peyton has given Moreno mad props in his interviews for the past 3 weeks.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:24 PM   #206
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Am I the only one who noticed that him and Peyton just were having a hard time last night? He kept being out of position on the field and when Peyton would do his post drive meetings he had to repeatedly call Moreno over. You could just see the frustration on Peyton with him all night.

As for his running ... it's odd ... when he first came into the league he did a lot of shooting forward too quick and not allowing the hole to open up ... now is seems like he's on the other side of the page ... he keeps waiting too long for holes to develop and sometimes the holes close up by the time he starts moving forward. I think I'd prefer him doing the other more ... at least then he has some forward momentum when he gets hit. Too often he's not moving forward when he's hit and can't fight through the tackle.
Didn't see that at all....one time I saw Peyton call Decker to their debriefing, but that's it.
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It honestly seems to me that Moreno and Peyton have good chemistry. Peyton loves people who works hard that's all Moreno has done this season and he's made a point to make it a point to the reporters.

What I see during the game is Moreno and Manning always communicating with each other. I see Moreno pointing out something on defense presnap and letting Peyton know what he sees and Peyton rallies something back at him.

Commentators and reporters talking about Peyton was shoving Moreno around like he was clueless are just stupid... Peyton was changing the damn play so yeah, he was trying to let Moreno know what he was changing it too... is it really that big of a deal?
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It honestly seems to me that Moreno and Peyton have good chemistry. Peyton loves people who works hard that's all Moreno has done this season and he's made a point to make it a point to the reporters.

What I see during the game is Moreno and Manning always communicating with each other. I see Moreno pointing out something on defense presnap and letting Peyton know what he sees and Peyton rallies something back at him.

Commentators and reporters talking about Peyton was shoving Moreno around like he was clueless are just stupid... Peyton was changing the damn play so yeah, he was trying to let Moreno know what he was changing it too... is it really that big of a deal?
I actually didn't hear the commentators say anything about all that. This was just what I was seeing. To me it looked like they weren't on the same page for most of the night. When Hillman was out there and Peyton changed plays Hillman jumped to the right spot or Peyton directed him but Hillman responded immediately where I saw a few times where Moreno seemed to almost argue the movement that Peyton was instructing. Although I'm willing to concede that maybe Moreno was reading the defenders and felt he was in the right position for the play and that Peyton just read it another way. Hillman may not feel strongly enough about his reads yet to argue them with Peyton.

Anyway, that was the vibe I got last night ... I may be incorrect (and I'm sure that I'll get it from everyone) but that was what I saw during the game.

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Am I the only one who noticed that him and Peyton just were having a hard time last night? He kept being out of position on the field and when Peyton would do his post drive meetings he had to repeatedly call Moreno over. You could just see the frustration on Peyton with him all night.

As for his running ... it's odd ... when he first came into the league he did a lot of shooting forward too quick and not allowing the hole to open up ... now is seems like he's on the other side of the page ... he keeps waiting too long for holes to develop and sometimes the holes close up by the time he starts moving forward. I think I'd prefer him doing the other more ... at least then he has some forward momentum when he gets hit. Too often he's not moving forward when he's hit and can't fight through the tackle.
69 yards after contact. If he isnt fighting through tackles, I dont know how he is getting those yards.
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We know what Moreno has done near the goal line for his career. Isn't very pretty and why many just wanted Tebow to be down there his first season.

McGahee is better than Moreno. Are you going to try to argue that one?
Moreno goal-to-go 2010 - 16 attempts, 5 TD's rushing, 1 TD passing, 0 fumbles
Moreno goal-to-go 2009 - 26 attempts, 6 TD's rushing, 2 TD's passing, 0 fumbles

I detailed McGahee's goal-to-go stats above. Moreno is clearly better in goal-to-go situations.
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I guess those are "fake stats", like somebody said one time.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:09 PM   #212
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This is why Willis' injury hurt the team cause he has the build and experience to pound the rock for 30 +

Funny that you say this when McGahee hasn't carried the ball 30 times or more since Dec. 3, 2007
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:11 PM   #213
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I guess those are "fake stats", like somebody said one time.
It's ridiculous really, some people refuse to see what's in front of their own eyes.

Just because he's Knowshon Moreno they discount anything positive he does, and exaggerate anything poor or even average he does.

Honestly, I'm more comfortable with him starting than I am with McGahee in this offense. If this is the RB corps we go into next year with, Knowshon should, and most likely will, be the starter.

I expect him to continue to improve, he is still very young, and may yet prove worthy of that 1st round grade.
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Funny that you say this when McGahee hasn't carried the ball 30 times or more since Dec. 3, 2007


McGahee takes himself out of offensive drives. You don't get 30+ carries doing that.

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Funny that you say this when McGahee hasn't carried the ball 30 times or more since Dec. 3, 2007
Oop you're right and Adrian Peterson hasn't carried 30 times since 2008 so I guess you wouldn't want him to carry the ball either

Didn't say these RBs did carry said they had the build and expierence to carry 30 times. Many times Willis hit 28 times same as AD

I hope KM can keep it up we shall see
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Oop you're right and Adrian Peterson hasn't carried 30 times since 2008 so I guess you wouldn't want him to carry the ball either

Didn't say these RBs did carry said they had the build and expierence to carry 30 times. Many times Willis hit 28 times same as AD

I hope KM can keep it up we shall see
I never said that, but feel free to act like I did.

Just curious why, if experience and build is what warrants a RB to get 30+ carries, Moreno is the one that carried the ball 30+ for the Broncos and McGahee hasn't
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I never said that, but feel free to act like I did.

Just curious why, if experience and build is what warrants a RB to get 30+ carries, Moreno is the one that carried the ball 30+ for the Broncos and McGahee hasn't
The 25 year old Moreno must have the build amd experience!
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I never said that, but feel free to act like I did.

Just curious why, if experience and build is what warrants a RB to get 30+ carries, Moreno is the one that carried the ball 30+ for the Broncos and McGahee hasn't
I'd say 30 lbs and the same speed and the ability to pick up the blitz without Manning having to redirect him is a good start
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Coach Fox is getting tired of the questions about Moreno. He sounds exasperated, says, "We had him stashed for just this kind of scenario, he's doing great, what more can I say? He's doing great and that's what we expected." Then somebody asks him, "But, was that what you expected?" Jebus, the media is like this board.
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Oop you're right and Adrian Peterson hasn't carried 30 times since 2008 so I guess you wouldn't want him to carry the ball either

Didn't say these RBs did carry said they had the build and expierence to carry 30 times. Many times Willis hit 28 times same as AD

I hope KM can keep it up we shall see
Adrian Peterson has averaged 19.3 carries per game for his career.

85 games, 1640 carries. Do the math.
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3.5 YPC isn't great. It isn't even average.

The good things about Moreno right now are that A) He isn't taking himself out of games anymore, now that his draft status obviously means nothing and B) He isn't fumbling the ball. Add in some consistent ball carries -- 30+ is high for any back -- and that's good enough for the playoffs. Other than that he's playing like his usual self. I don't quite understand the theatrics of some posters here.
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Coach Fox is getting tired of the questions about Moreno. He sounds exasperated, says, "We had him stashed for just this kind of scenario, he's doing great, what more can I say? He's doing great and that's what we expected." Then somebody asks him, "But, was that what you expected?" Jebus, the media is like this board.
It's funny how people think KM wasn't. #2 on the depth chart all along.
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3.5 YPC isn't great. It isn't even average.

The good things about Moreno right now are that A) He isn't taking himself out of games anymore, now that his draft status obviously means nothing and B) He isn't fumbling the ball. Add in some consistent ball carries -- 30+ is high for any back -- and that's good enough for the playoffs. Other than that he's playing like his usual self. I don't quite understand the theatrics of some posters here.
Looking at the stats for 2012, only 24 guys are above 4.0 YPC in 2012, and two of them are QB's (Cam Newton and RG3).
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3.5 YPC isn't great. It isn't even average.

The good things about Moreno right now are that A) He isn't taking himself out of games anymore, now that his draft status obviously means nothing and B) He isn't fumbling the ball. Add in some consistent ball carries -- 30+ is high for any back -- and that's good enough for the playoffs. Other than that he's playing like his usual self. I don't quite understand the theatrics of some posters here.
3.8 during his starts. The Broncos as a team also average 3.8
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Stats stats stats


Use your eyes fellas

The kid was injured suffered a powerful lesson in humility and decided to do it the coaches way. He'll only get better. He might stumble but he is finally ready to play in the NFL.

Talk about a serendipitous season. The will of Manning is driving the bus, hang on.
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