119 yds, 1 td give it up !

[lolcopter]

lol that's not average, that's a very solid day. The last two weeks average maybe, but last night would have been a great night even without the TD

And NO TURNOVERS

[Inkana7]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

You just can't argue with that. That's not spectacular but he's doing what the run game, absent an elite back in denver, has to do--create enough doubt in the defense that the play action is believable and effective. Overall, a good game by KM but the thing that still bothers me is that he's a liability in short yardage run plays. Defenses can cheat to pass defense because KM isn't enough of a threat to commit everyone up.

He ain't ever gonna be considered a guy who can break a long one but he's the best we've got and, assuming he stays healthy, can contribute.

Not spectacular? That averages over 16 games to a 1400 yard rushing season.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Originally Posted by Inkana7

Not spectacular? That averages over 16 games to a 1400 yard rushing season.

Wow. It also averages out to 16,800 yards over 10 seasons--we have the NFL's 2nd leading all time rusher on board! Raise your standards. When has KM ever played 16 games, let alone run for 91 per game in them?

Dude is serviceable, we've agreed on that. But let's not turn him into a 1400 yard back, that's crazy talk.

[razorwire77]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Wow. It also averages out to 16,800 yards over 10 seasons--we have the NFL's 2nd leading all time rusher on board! Raise your standards. When has KM ever played 16 games, let alone run for 91 per game in them?

Dude is serviceable, we've agreed on that. But let's not turn him into a 1400 yard back, that's crazy talk.

This. Why does it have to be a 180. At first 85 percent of the board referred to him as Slowshon or Noreno or a similar negative description. Everybody but Beantown Bronco and Drek wrote him off. Now a bunch of people are talking about him like he's going to be an important part of the Bronco franchise moving forward. He's serviceable. He's a less explosive Reuben Droughns. He is our best bet moving forward this season. Why can't there be a middle ground? With Moreno, I think it's a live in the moment type thing. He's strung together 3 decent games. He's held onto the ball, he shown us that he can grind out some tough yards between the tackles against bad teams. He's blocking and pass receiving have been stellar. The last offensive series last night was probably his most impressive series as a Bronco. I think the stretch where he was deactivated helped him get fully healthy.

That being said, we're not going to be able to pound Moreno for 20-25 carries against good defensive teams and I have serious doubts that he'll be able to hold up physically.

[swaiy]

69 yards after contact against the Raiders. Not bad at all.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by Aftermath

I think he played a good game tonight. But I dont think "whoever" needs to eat crow as described by OP. This was one of his best games, but I believe, on 32 carries vs the Raiders with our line he should have done MUCH better.

Yeah, Ramirez was awesome tonight. Opening huge holes every play!



Holes into the backfield that is.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

Holes into the backfield

Isn't that the title of Bob's favorite movie?

[lolcopter]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

.

That being said, we're not going to be able to pound Moreno for 20-25 carries against good defensive teams and I have serious doubts that he'll be able to hold up physically.

He had 20 carries and 4 receptions against Tampa's #1 ranked run defense

Odds are he will get 20+ touches against the ravens next week

But for the sake of your argument those probably aren't "good teams" amirite?

[Smiling Assassin27]

He's held onto the ball

This is the single most important thing.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

This. Why does it have to be a 180. At first 85 percent of the board referred to him as Slowshon or Noreno or a similar negative description. Everybody but Beantown Bronco and Drek wrote him off. Now a bunch of people are talking about him like he's going to be an important part of the Bronco franchise moving forward. He's serviceable. He's a less explosive Reuben Droughns. He is our best bet moving forward this season. Why can't there be a middle ground? With Moreno, I think it's a live in the moment type thing. He's strung together 3 decent games. He's held onto the ball, he shown us that he can grind out some tough yards between the tackles against bad teams. He's blocking and pass receiving have been stellar. The last offensive series last night was probably his most impressive series as a Bronco. I think the stretch where he was deactivated helped him get fully healthy.

That being said, we're not going to be able to pound Moreno for 20-25 carries against good defensive teams and I have serious doubts that he'll be able to hold up physically.

Moreno has touched the ball 24- 36 times over the last 3 weeks (4 days ago against the #1 Run defense in the league), for a total of 84 touches. He is finally getting the workload I've been hoping he would get. Those of us that have hoped he would get more opportunities have every right to be excited about the prospect.

Expect to continue to hear about it as long as people still react to every good game with statements like. "Well he's still slow," or "lets see him do it again."

We've had someone state that he needs to do it against someone other than KC....So he runs tough against the number 1 rush defense, so they change it to, lets see if he can do it again....so he does against a defense that is better against the run than the stats show...and this time we hear how he won't be able to keep it up. 3 straight weeks of starting, three strong contributions...3 Mondays of pushing those goalposts back.

[razorwire77]

Originally Posted by lolcopter

He had 20 carries and 4 receptions against Tampa's #1 ranked run defense

Odds are he will get 20+ touches against the ravens next week

But for the sake of your argument those probably aren't "good teams" amirite?

one decent team and the two worst teams in the league. I'm not really getting where you're going with this. So you're saying that feeding Knowshon Moreno the ball 20 or 25 times is a recipe for success against teams like the Ravens? Again, I'm not disputing that he's playing hard and playing well. I'm just disputing the idea that we're going to be able to continue to give him 20-25 carries a game. If anything, it means that Hillman has to be able to step up as the change of pace back.

[lolcopter]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

one decent team and the two worst teams in the league. I'm not really getting where you're going with this. So you're saying that feeding Knowshon Moreno the ball 20 or 25 times is a recipe for success against teams like the Ravens? Again, I'm not disputing that he's playing hard and playing well. I'm just disputing the idea that we're going to be able to continue to give him 20-25 carries a game. If anything, it means that Hillman has to be able to step up as the change of pace back.

You're wrong. Period. Moreno will continue to see 20 touch games throughout the duration of the season into the playoffs. Hillman definitely needs to step up and contribute, but Moreno has been this team's work horse back before, and he is currently it again right now. He's running with more decisiveness and burst than he's shown at any point prior in his career, so let's lay off the haterade and enjoy the quality football we have the privilege of watching right now.

[2KBack]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

one decent team and the two worst teams in the league. I'm not really getting where you're going with this. So you're saying that feeding Knowshon Moreno the ball 20 or 25 times is a recipe for success against teams like the Ravens? Again, I'm not disputing that he's playing hard and playing well. I'm just disputing the idea that we're going to be able to continue to give him 20-25 carries a game. If anything, it means that Hillman has to be able to step up as the change of pace back.

Well the Ravens have given up a whole 50 fewer rush yards than KC this season, so lets just see where their rush D ranking as are after they Play the Redskins and their 200 yards a game. That way you can use the Ravens not being as good as we thought as your excuse for not giving Moreno credit. Since the single best Rush defense in the league only registers as "decent" for you.

[razorwire77]

Originally Posted by lolcopter

You're wrong. Period. Moreno will continue to see 20 touch games throughout the duration of the season into the playoffs. Hillman definitely needs to step up and contribute, but Moreno has been this team's work horse back before, and he is currently it again right now. He's running with more decisiveness and burst than he's shown at any point prior in his career, so let's lay off the haterade and enjoy the quality football we have the privilege of watching right now.

You do realize there is a difference between 20 touches a game (4-5 screen passes/safety valve passes, and 15-17 carries per game) and grinding a guy off tackle into the heart of a defense for 25-30 carries (like they did last night.) I'm not hating on the kid. Again, if you looked at my posts I think he's played as well as he has for his entire career. He's going to be the featured back for the rest of the season. I have my doubts that he can be a workhorse back at the pace they have used him the past couple of weeks.

[lolcopter]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

You do realize there is a difference between 20 touches a game (4-5 screen passes/safety valve passes, and 15-17 carries per game) and grinding a guy off tackle into the heart of a defense for 25-30 carries (like they did last night.) I'm not hating on the kid. Again, if you looked at my posts I think he's played as well as he has for his entire career. He's going to be the featured back for the rest of the season. I have my doubts that he can be a workhorse back at the pace they have used him the past couple of weeks.

You do realize he has had at least 20 CARRIES the past three weeks, right?

[razorwire77]

Originally Posted by lolcopter

You do realize he has had at least 20 CARRIES the past three weeks, right?

Ughh. Yes, that's the ENTIRE point. I question whether or not we can continue to run him at this pace without there being repercussions. I mean the kid came into his the starting role completely fresh from being deactivated, so it's been fine for a few weeks. But we've got 3 more regular season games and the playoffs to go.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Wow. It also averages out to 16,800 yards over 10 seasons--we have the NFL's 2nd leading all time rusher on board! Raise your standards. When has KM ever played 16 games, let alone run for 91 per game in them?

Dude is serviceable, we've agreed on that. But let's not turn him into a 1400 yard back, that's crazy talk.

He was in a shiity run offense (McD)

Had a serious injury that takes at least a year to recover from for most players

The light goes on at different times for different reasons

I'm expecting continued improvement from KM.

Since I hav been right about him all along you all better listen to me.

[Nwp-Apap]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

You just can't argue with that. That's not spectacular but he's doing what the run game, absent an elite back in denver, has to do--create enough doubt in the defense that the play action is believable and effective. Overall, a good game by KM but the thing that still bothers me is that he's a liability in short yardage run plays. Defenses can cheat to pass defense because KM isn't enough of a threat to commit everyone up.

He ain't ever gonna be considered a guy who can break a long one but he's the best we've got and, assuming he stays healthy, can contribute.

I dunno man..that's like 1500 rushing yards and 500 recieving yards if extrapolated over a season. I'd call that damn close to spectacular..

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster

Maybe he will stick around next year afterall

Thing I like the most is he isnt fumbling like Willis was

Pretty good game
Stepping up when called on
Not sure why he hasnt played before Willis got hurt though
Kind of wierd to just all of a sudden have him go from 4th string to bell cow

For the umpteenth time - HE WAS COMING OFF OF AN ACL suffered last December. He was wearing a KNEEBRACE in preseason for god's sake.

And it wasn't like Willis was stinking it up. Moreno wasn't ready, they didn't need him real badly, and they sure wanted to see what the guy they traded up for (Hillman) could do.

[Nwp-Apap]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

one decent team and the two worst teams in the league. I'm not really getting where you're going with this. So you're saying that feeding Knowshon Moreno the ball 20 or 25 times is a recipe for success against teams like the Ravens? Again, I'm not disputing that he's playing hard and playing well. I'm just disputing the idea that we're going to be able to continue to give him 20-25 carries a game. If anything, it means that Hillman has to be able to step up as the change of pace back.

Actually it's one amazing team, one average team, and one below average team..

Yes, feeding Moreno 20+ times a games is a recipe for success, we have never lost when he carries it more than 20 times. There is no reason he won't continue to get a lot of touches, unless we're down early and have to start throwing the ball deep while playing catch up.

[Nwp-Apap]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

You do realize there is a difference between 20 touches a game (4-5 screen passes/safety valve passes, and 15-17 carries per game) and grinding a guy off tackle into the heart of a defense for 25-30 carries (like they did last night.) I'm not hating on the kid. Again, if you looked at my posts I think he's played as well as he has for his entire career. He's going to be the featured back for the rest of the season. I have my doubts that he can be a workhorse back at the pace they have used him the past couple of weeks.

Your doubts, so far, seem to be unfounded. No signs of injury or him even being hurt.

At thus point he is proving to be a better option in this offense than McGahee. He is producing more, running the clock out better in the 4th(thus dropping his YPC unfortunately) and fumbling once every 80 carries compared to McGahee's once every 33 carries.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by razorwire77

one decent team and the two worst teams in the league. I'm not really getting where you're going with this. So you're saying that feeding Knowshon Moreno the ball 20 or 25 times is a recipe for success against teams like the Ravens? Again, I'm not disputing that he's playing hard and playing well. I'm just disputing the idea that we're going to be able to continue to give him 20-25 carries a game. If anything, it means that Hillman has to be able to step up as the change of pace back.

Actually, 20 carries, 25 touches a game is a heavy workload, so yeah.

AP has 20 carries/gm this yr
Lynch 21/gm
Gore 17/gm
Foster 24/gm (and a 3.9 YPA)
Morris 19/gm

And those are some of the top attempts guys this year.

32 carries in a game is waaaaayyy up there. That's over 500 carries in 16 games.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

For the umpteenth time - HE WAS COMING OFF OF AN ACL suffered last December. He was wearing a KNEEBRACE in preseason for god's sake.

And it wasn't like Willis was stinking it up. Moreno wasn't ready, they didn't need him real badly, and they sure wanted to see what the guy they traded up for (Hillman) could do.

Many of us have pointed that out several times but for some reason that doesn't seem to count when it comes to Moreno. Go figure.

[WolfpackGuy]

32 carries is nothing.

TD had 47 touches against the Bills in 1997 after barely getting out of Denver because of a snowstorm.

Moreno has put in two solid efforts in a row.

Let's hope he keeps it up.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by WolfpackGuy

32 carries is nothing.

TD had 47 touches against the Bills in 1997 after barely getting out of Denver because of a snowstorm.

Moreno has put in two solid efforts in a row.

Let's hope he keeps it up.

TD also had a relatively short career.